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SHTRATEDJEEEEEEEEHquote:The government said talking about an exit before the virus had reached its peak risks confusing the public. A week into Starmer's leadership and I am finding myself agreeing with the government  Also about the leaked report. Can anyone explain the failure that allowed such a shower to end up in a position of power in the Labour party of all organisations? Is the answer Tony Blair or does it go back further?
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Prince John posted:Aye, pretty grim. Has there been an official response from the UK government yet? I'm assuming their line will be that health is a devolved area, therefore they're not responsible for sourcing PPE for the Scottish NHS - but it's not going to win them any votes north of the border that's for sure. I can't imagine they'll tough this one out for long. I'm sure they'll have an excuse but it's not gonna fly in a million years lmao specifically because any plausible excuse is gonna run up into the emails that explicitly say "we've been instructed not to sell to you", which is actively blocking the Scottish NHS from sourcing its own PPE.
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Apr 15, 2020 00:48
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They don't win enough seats in scotland and wales for them to care, that's the point.
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Apr 15, 2020 00:49
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Coohoolin posted:I'm sure they'll have an excuse but it's not gonna fly in a million years lmao Apparently, events have overtaken us. Looks like the Scottish government didn't think they were credible rumours. quote:The suggestion of PPE being diverted to England from Scotland had earlier in the day been dismissed by the Scottish government's clinical director. Apparently the Scottish health secretary has also received assurances that providers were not asked to prioritise England over Scotland, for whatever that's worth. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52279578
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Apr 15, 2020 00:56
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Prince John posted:Apparently, events have overtaken us. Looks like the Scottish government didn't think they were credible rumours. hmm this is all very recent so let it play out i guess. it would be an absolutely insane policy if true and while i wouldn't put that past the UK govt I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find out there's been a very very inconvenient misunderstanding.
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Apr 15, 2020 00:59
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sassassin posted:I don't like Nestle's chocolate anyway. See, this is why it's ideal to be addicted to Peanut M&Ms. Every grocery store chain has their own store-brand equivalent you can buy instead. 
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Apr 15, 2020 01:01
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I would be more surprised if they weren't doing it to be honest. If they're not I'd expect it to be more because nobody could coordinate it rather than because they wouldn't do it.
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Apr 15, 2020 01:02
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Since the labour leadership are ambitious politicians, I’m not really surprised that they are busily politicking. There’s a long standing rule that the other party is just a straw man, because for any individual, the people standing in the way of their ambition right now are all in their own party. What astonishes me is how dumb and petty they all come across (as well as pointlessly cruel and sneering). These people are supposedly grown adults, but it reads like student union poo poo.
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Apr 15, 2020 01:28
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Beefeater1980 posted:Since the labour leadership are ambitious politicians, I’m not really surprised that they are busily politicking. There’s a long standing rule that the other party is just a straw man, because for any individual, the people standing in the way of their ambition right now are all in their own party. they all came directly from Labour Students groups into SPAD positions, it's all they know. petty spiteful careerist adult-sized children.
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Apr 15, 2020 01:30
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Payndz posted:Should Starmer ever become PM, at least know we know exactly how he'll regard government whistleblowers. The same as every other PM Nah, he would respond with "Who told you?"
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Apr 15, 2020 01:50
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JordanKai posted:See, this is why it's ideal to be addicted to Peanut M&Ms. Every grocery store chain has their own store-brand equivalent you can buy instead. Oh god, the Lidl brand version of peanut M&Ms is so good, so cheap, and comes in such a large bag that it's just irresponsible even to sell them.
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Apr 15, 2020 03:08
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I too have fallen foul of the Lidl peanut M&Ms. You just go into a trance of eating those bastard things by the handful.
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Apr 15, 2020 03:25
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Chucat posted:I'm still in the party (for now) but I never got an email so that's loving amazing. You might want to check your spam folder. I'm finding quite a lot of my Labour emails end up there, it's quite annoying.
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Apr 15, 2020 07:14
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Ah, the Labour Party. A broad church of ideas confined to your spam folder. I also had to check my spam, and yup - there it is. But somehow the Dallas Cowboys Pro Shop can get through? An establishment (and a sport) I've never once taken an interest in. 
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Apr 15, 2020 08:00
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Just a heads up (from the last post of the big banning thread in qcs):Lowtax posted:I don't loving want another government agency interviewing me because of some dumbass getting mad about politics. This poo poo needs to stop, and anybody making even VAGUE threats needs to be PERMABANNED, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
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Apr 15, 2020 08:03
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, in hellworld your choices are basically "pick one of the other abusive megacorps instead" or "buy everything local that's made by anarchist farming coops". My solution to that within capitalism would be a law that says the name of the ultimate owner has to be the biggest thing on the front of the packaging. PEPSICO Quaker Oats NESTLE Purnina brand cat food
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Apr 15, 2020 08:16
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namesake posted:Nah I'm Bristol based, we have quarterly national meetings in London though so if you've ever been to one we might have met. Oh I see. Are there ways of grabbing one in person? Maybe at the meetings?
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Apr 15, 2020 08:32
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Bobstar posted:My solution to that within capitalism would be a law that says the name of the ultimate owner has to be the biggest thing on the front of the packaging. So it almost ends up as a case where you can buy the Nestle bar, or you can buy the organic Vegan locally produced bar, but they had to take out a loan with a bank, who invested in a hedge fund, who invested in a state church, who invested in HorrorCo weapons for incinerating children, and you're funding barbarism in both cases, so maybe the better thing to do is build societies that don't tolerate barbarism rather than libertarian style vOtInG wItH yOu'Re WaLlEt.
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Apr 15, 2020 08:35
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I had to look up that general mills logo (to the left of kellogs). What is that symbol?
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Apr 15, 2020 08:37
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It's the alchemical symbol for corn. It isn't, but it looks like one. It's just a really weird monogram for GM (but not that GM).
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Apr 15, 2020 08:41
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Jippa posted:I had to look up that general mills logo (to the left of kellogs). A style of cursive "g". [edit] Don't read and watch the video as no one needs to know more about their most recent rebrand: https://blog.generalmills.com/2017/12/our-new-logo-tells-an-evolving-story/
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Apr 15, 2020 08:45
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Requiring the owner name to go first would at least make shopping a lot funnier once people see several identical products with identical names next to each other because it turns out most of the brand images just serve to obfuscate ownership. Communism would mean there's only one kind of each product, as opposed to now, where there is one kind of each product in fifty different coloured boxes.
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Apr 15, 2020 08:47
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Except toilet paper. There's none of that.
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Apr 15, 2020 08:56
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I wasn't claiming Terry's was part of Nestle, I was saying that if someones favourite one thing to get through capitalist hellholle 21st century paedoph-isles is one of those things maybe back off. Feel free to highlight all the awful things Nestle or whoever else do, but if a comrade decides that they're not going to go live in a hippy commune off the grid then take their "This is how I get through my day" and move on.
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Apr 15, 2020 08:57
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OwlFancier posted:
IIRC this is basically lidl's business model (along with vertical integration so they produce/are sole customers for most of the products). Not coincidentally lidl is way cheaper than every other supermarket as far as I can tell
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Apr 15, 2020 09:14
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Niric posted:IIRC this is basically lidl's business model (along with vertical integration so they produce/are sole customers for most of the products). Not coincidentally lidl is way cheaper than every other supermarket as far as I can tell *chokes* no you can’t do this!! You can’t!!!!! Communism bad!!!!!!!
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Apr 15, 2020 09:20
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Guavanaut posted:Most of the time the ultimate owner gets a tiny slither of the end profit though, they're just filthy rich because they get that surplus from so many places. Yikes. I'm well aware of "NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION..." etc., but it's just so blithely cynical to say that you can't make better choices as a consumer, as if a lack of Rolos would prevent you from also building a more humane society. Lesser of Two Evils may be a poor electoral philosophy but it actually makes sense when you're talking about chocolate bars.
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Apr 15, 2020 09:21
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OwlFancier posted:Requiring the owner name to go first would at least make shopping a lot funnier once people see several identical products with identical names next to each other because it turns out most of the brand images just serve to obfuscate ownership. I think my favourite one is that a lot of store brand foods are made by the exact same factories as the branded stuff but don’t pass quality control to get into the branded boxes but do pass the quality control to be edible, so they sell them to supermarkets instead.
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Apr 15, 2020 09:22
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Drone_Fragger posted:I think my favourite one is that a lot of store brand foods are made by the exact same factories as the branded stuff but don’t pass quality control to get into the branded boxes but do pass the quality control to be edible, so they sell them to supermarkets instead. Afaik the QC stuff is usually a canard as well, they just stop the production line, bring in the store-brand boxes, and restart the line - exact same product same quality No, not canard like a duck
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Apr 15, 2020 09:25
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Let's form splinter threads - UKMT for people who think its ok to eat Rolos and a UKMT for people who think the Rolo eaters are scumbag bastards. That should sort things out and let us get back to focusing on the real issues, at least until the Chocolate Orange splinter groups start.
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Apr 15, 2020 09:26
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yikes. I'm well aware of "NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION..." etc., but it's just so blithely cynical to say that you can't make better choices as a consumer, as if a lack of Rolos would prevent you from also building a more humane society. Lesser of Two Evils may be a poor electoral philosophy but it actually makes sense when you're talking about chocolate bars. Or should I just be aware that it wasn't boycotting Cape oranges that ended apartheid, it was Cuban MiGs in Angola? Drone_Fragger posted:*chokes* no you can’t do this!! You can’t!!!!! Communism bad!!!!!!! 
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Apr 15, 2020 09:26
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Failed Imagineer posted:Afaik the QC stuff is usually a canard as well, they just stop the production line, bring in the store-brand boxes, and restart the line - exact same product same quality Due to covid-related redundancy I spent the last two weeks of March working shifts in a carrot-packing factory. Obviously produce is a bit different to manufactured/processed stuff, but it was still amusing to see bulk loads of carrots go in at one end, go through the washer/screening machine and then be divvied into three bagging machines, each bagging identical carrots into different supermarket packaging. Moreso when you finish one run of, say, Tesco carrots and then, the operator whacks in a roll of Waitrose bags and fires the machine straight back up. The only QC is in making sure the new bags are being loaded and printed correctly - there is literally no discernable difference to the product within.
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Apr 15, 2020 09:36
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You can't put a price on the sense of self worth you derive from paying more for your carrots. Other than the actual price I guess.
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Apr 15, 2020 09:40
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Guavanaut posted:But then you keep running into the "which one is more evil" problem. Should I pick the parent company that profits from child slaves or the parent company that hires paramilitary death squads to machinegun trade unions? Or should I boycott both and go for the nice local company that has to take a bank loan with the bank that also profits from marketing tobacco to Congolese preschoolers? Guav I know you can spot a bad-faith slippery slope argument, even when you're the one making it. Maybe just take the low-hanging fruit, avoid the glaringly evil purchases, and do it often enough that it becomes unconscious practice? I'm not saying shun the person who has to buy Rolos to ~*practice self care*~ , just be an adult who is at least interested in the broader context of your consumer choices
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Apr 15, 2020 09:41
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Flayer posted:Let's form splinter threads - UKMT for people who think its ok to eat Rolos and a UKMT for people who think the Rolo eaters are scumbag bastards. Chocolate orange Rolos. Discuss.
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Apr 15, 2020 09:41
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Jedit posted:Chocolate orange Rolos. Discuss. Sacrelicious
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Apr 15, 2020 09:42
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Niric posted:IIRC this is basically lidl's business model (along with vertical integration so they produce/are sole customers for most of the products). Not coincidentally lidl is way cheaper than every other supermarket as far as I can tell
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Apr 15, 2020 09:43
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I had some chocolate orange digestives the other day, they were pretty good but not as good as the banana/caramel ones I found once
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I mean my job has entirely convinced me that the impact of my consumer choices is jack and poo poo because I know for a fact there is a great and terrible industrial engine which is highly adept at manufacturing whatever choice the commercial giants want out of their consumers. But if you want a sense of consumer responsibility then oh boy do we have the commodified illusion of ethical consumption to sell you and it's buy one get one free. I think my recent favourite was the bottled water one where they sell you extra recyclable bottles and tell you how good you are for doing it as opposed to drinking it out of the tap.
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