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 OwlFancier posted:no place free of them except inside your own head, and unless you're Yuri you can't achieve communism from there Alternatively, how can we become Yuri? e: 151 is the number of pokemons. No there aren't any others. Especially not that one.
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Cerv posted:he’s nothing but a populist banging a drum. and right now the health service as a concept is popular with the general public, even people who’d normally not give a poo poo and vote to cut it. I'm sure you are right, but why in gods name is nobody else doing it?
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HidaO-Win posted:What in the name of jays flute is going on that Piers loving Morgan is the guy actually bringing up objective reality in support of the health service? I am pretty sure Piers plays by the Trump book. He will take whatever stance he reckons will make him popular with the most people. I know several people who are not right wing at all but who think he should be PM because "he speaks up for the common person" and "he just tells it like it is" :/
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bump_fn posted:how am i still getting you’ve been involved in a car accident scam calls it’s a global pandemic lockdown at least switch to something about covid Give it time. The next 10 years at least will be filled with radio jingles from the same suits who annoyed the poo poo out of you with PPI adverts, only with a new script: "Did your employer fail to provide you with sufficient PPE during the COVID-10 pandemic? You may be entitled to compensation!"
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Guavanaut posted:Arguably by gatekeeping so much of where we're expected to find evidence for things they've got a colony in there too. I was going to include something about how they certainly seem to be getting in the heads of a lot of people too but it seemed harsh.
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Jose posted:why the gently caress is he focusing on an exit strategy who thinks this is a good idea except for toby young like ffs why is piers morgan basically the only person talking about this poo poo A society so debased Piers Morgan is a lone voice of reason.
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Apr 15, 2020 11:43
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demanding to know when the lockdown will be over and confirmation he knew about the report and suppressed it is an impressive double whammy this morning.
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Apr 15, 2020 11:49
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As others have said, this is the time when the media hold the government into account - then about two years out from the election they switch back to arselicking mode with the credibility they have built up. They must have been getting worried TBH, the last five years have been full on crisis mode for the government, so they've not been able to switch to attack mode, and its been wearing down their credibility. now its sorted for 5 years they can return to normal. Except no one is buying papers because the people who normally buy papers are dropping like flies....
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my worst fears for starmer were ed milliband 2.0 and either i've wilfully forgotten how poo poo ed was or we're plumbing new depths already.
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HidaO-Win posted:I'm sure you are right, but why in gods name is nobody else doing it? For some reason he's got this massive audience that very few other people do. The BBC, for obvious reasons, won't be criticising the government in any way. I don't think Sky News has a similar kind of show (although I don't watch TV so who knows what they're broadcasting). There's not a lot of other shows on channels that have the same sort of audence.
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Grey Hunter posted:As others have said, this is the time when the media hold the government into account - then about two years out from the election they switch back to arselicking mode with the credibility they have built up. this is the dumbest possible way to hold them to account, ask about PPE or the delay in planning after the WHO declaration of emergency on jan 24th or herd loving immunity. do not ask them about when this thing is going to end so Priti Patel of all people can look positively intelligent in comparison when she says 'now is not the time to talk about this'
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Apr 15, 2020 11:56
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Rustybear posted:my worst fears for starmer were ed milliband 2.0 and either i've either wilfully forgotten how poo poo ed was or we're plumbing new depths already. Yeah this is basically miliband so far. Remember Ed did a lot of work after losing to show that actually he was just pretending to be a right wing moron the whole time.
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Apr 15, 2020 11:59
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Please be nice to my good boy Ed who tried his best to handle New Labour being cunts.
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Drone_Fragger posted:I think my favourite one is that a lot of store brand foods are made by the exact same factories as the branded stuff but don’t pass quality control to get into the branded boxes but do pass the quality control to be edible, so they sell them to supermarkets instead. Many years ago I came across an amazing transitional fossil - a morrisons rice pudding tub, with a tesco lid. Blew my mind.
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Miliband bad these cunts stitching him up too just not so severely
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Guavanaut posted:Alternatively, how can we become Yuri? i've been looking into becoming yuri for a while now, my plan mostly involves taking estrogen and downloading a whole bunch of dating apps
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Apr 15, 2020 12:10
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keir "patsy" starmer
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Is leaving the Labour Party a thing I should be doing right now? I'm still staying out of politics but reading the last ~2 pages of the thread suggest it's maybe time.
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I think a lot of people also have become complacent with how dilligent corbyn was in opposition. I suspect the cowardice of the current leadership will be a nasty surprise for some of the members, easier perhaps to criticise having had a taste of a real opposition.Sanford posted:Is leaving the Labour Party a thing I should be doing right now? I'm still staying out of politics but reading the last ~2 pages of the thread suggest it's maybe time. Depends how much you like having politics done to you as opposed to doing it yourself, I guess.
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If the money isn’t a huge deal for you rn I’d suggest keeping any option available to you that gets you voting power in NEC elections.
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I'm staying in Labour for the time being. I'm slowing lying to myself that Keir Stalin is just hiding his power level.
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gh0stpinballa posted:keir "patsy" starmer 
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Tesseraction posted:Please be nice to my good boy Ed who tried his best to handle New Labour being cunts. sorry probably teaching a lot of this thread to suck eggs but... how do you figure? ed was gordon brown's hand picked successor and was supported by gordon brown's old mob (led by tom watson) from the get go; the exact same set of people who've covered themselves in glory knifing corbyn. it's no surprise to anyone paying attention that kier has been having mentor meetings with brown also. 'New' Labour as in specifically the Blairites (as distinct from Brownites in the 'TBGBs' era) are a spent force. Certain useless twats might profess an undying love of our Tone but there is no explicitly 'Blairite' faction holding any influence since circa 2008. edit: the reason kier will be poo poo is the same reason GB couldn't win an election and Ed couldn't win an election and they couldn't get Owen Smith elected against a leader who didn't even really want the job: because they were, are and probably always will be absolutely terrible at politics for some reason that completely confounds me. Rustybear fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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Munin posted:A style of cursive "g". Makes sense. I initially thought it was johnson and johnson and they had combined a "J" with an "&" symbol. I actually prefer my theory.
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Blasmeister posted:If the money isn’t a huge deal for you rn I’d suggest keeping any option available to you that gets you voting power in NEC elections. This. Leaving the Labour Party doesn't hurt the enemy, it only hurts your allies. When the left have been decisively locked out of power in the party, fine. While we can still resist, gently caress that.
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Rustybear posted:edit: the reason kier will be poo poo is the same reason GB couldn't win an election and Ed couldn't win an election and they couldn't get Owen Smith elected against a leader who didn't even really want the job: because they were, are and probably always will be absolutely terrible at politics for some reason that completely confounds me. One's own farts are a hell of a drug, op
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imo anyone advocating staying and changing the labour party after this report is being naive and also has very little experience with the labour bureaucracy, it's very hard to describe the levels of pressure the institution itself puts on to preserve its broken systems and there's a reason the only concessions to the left that have been made in the last 40 years came entirely from centrists doing it and it backfiring, try explaining to any angry leftist as to why they need to spend the next 5 years applying for positions on local and national decision making bodies through a series of hoops designed to tire and dissuade anyone who doesn't view it as an endpoint of their career in order to finally, at the end of it have all those meticulous rules you just followed be completely ignored to keep you off any short lists because the people in charge of the process both hate you and can't be shifted due to this process. Worse than all that is the longer you're in the system the more you get a sunk cost fallacy thing going on and then to deal with that you start taking on the empty arguments of the people who also want to preserve that system because that's more palatable than admitting that you wasted your time. Fixing the labour party from the inside hasn't worked in the last 60 years and it's not suddenly going to change, but dissuading people from leaving does work and has worked consistently at preventing an alternative
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It can't be emphasised enough that the Labour right absolutely want left-wing members to be cancelling their memberships: every leftie who storms off makes the Labour right that little bit more powerful within the party. Grit your teeth, stay in, use your voting powers whenever you can and keep engaged. If Starmer's as useless as his initial actions suggest, this'll become obvious to the party as a whole pretty rapidly. I'm actually taking part in tonight's Zoom call, so I can see for myself how he comes across when just talking to members.
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https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1250387250283716608 noice, No Deal brexit during the tail end/aftermath of a global pandemic. cool.
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Bardeh posted:https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1250387250283716608 lmfao
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Or listen to Brian, posting above me, instead: the UKMT is a land of contrasts 
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As opposed to non electoral revolutionary socialism which has seen great success in the last 60 years. Saying that left wing people in the labour party is the reason that other forms of leftism haven't done well in the UK is an extremely... non materialist position to take imo.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Or listen to Brian, posting above me, instead: the UKMT is a land of contrasts where's that drat hivemind when you need it
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brian posted:the only concessions to the left that have been made in the last 40 years came entirely from centrists doing it and it backfiring This is true, but then you ignore the fact that it did backfire, and gave us an opportunity we should not throw away. Meanwhile nothing else in the last 40 years came anywhere near as close to giving us power or spreading socialist ideas, and the suggestion that it was having Labour Party membership cards that somehow held us back is ridiculous. (Not least because few people even were members pre-Corbyn.)
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Bardeh posted:https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1250387250283716608 Needs to be a dehumanise and face to bloodshed smiley.
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Well you're sure as poo poo not going to fix it from the outside or manage to organise anything to replace it.
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Like maybe the reason there aren't more radical forms of leftism in the UK is far more to do with, like, the entire social environment of the UK than it is to do with people on the left being in the labour party.
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I could tear up my card right now but being honest with myself I'm not sure what my next step would be apart from shitposting about it on here. Just being honest with myself, and if everyone else is being, well... cool. I mean if being a member of Labour is the thing stopping you from forming an alternative party and you need to sever your ties to give yourself the nudge to do it then by all means. I'll put it to you though that just about anything you wanted to do next is probably also doable without leaving labour and at least you'd still have the right to vote on poo poo - imagining that matters, I reckon it still does. I mean, in our CLP we meet every couple of weeks but we also do stuff in the community outside of that because there's a network there of people who probably aren't in the same place about leaving and I'd rather stay in those whatsapps and whatever so I can keep doing what I'm doing there.
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im not trying to espose a great political theory of change, im just tired of walking through treacle in a party that clearly doesn't want me as a member. im staying because im under no illusion that anyone would notice me flouncing off and cause it costs about 25 quid a year to have a say in NEC elections etc. which to me is still a good deal. if they hike membership dues i'd probably quit.
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