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We don’t have enough data to draw conclusions about COVID19 and even if we did the disease hasn’t been on the radar long enough to have been properly analyzed and studied. So let’s cool it down with the speculation. Y’all gonna die.
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Old Boot posted:Tobacco post This was interesting, thanks. Covid isn't convincing me to quit smoking. It's encouraging me to grow my own weed though.
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Forgive me for disagreeing with a Twitter man but a lit review that only makes the observation that smokers appear underrepresented in the number of hospitalized patients does not strike me as “bizarrely strong evidence” of the benefits of smoking, which we already know to cause a host of cardiovascular issues. Being dead at home also keeps you out of the hospital. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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Fallom posted:Forgive me for disagreeing with a Twitter man but a lit review that only makes the observation that smokers appear underrepresented in the number of hospitalized patients does not strike me as “bizarrely strong evidence” of the benefits of smoking. Yeah, definitely don't take it as a given or anything. The main takeaway from any of this is that not nearly enough data is being collected on smoking/smoking history, as well as the relative age of the people who are having worse outcomes if they are a) a smoker, b) are admitted to the hospital. Cugel the Clever posted:Those drat anti-tobacco lobbies, always trying to find another argument for why folks shouldn't be in thrall to a highly-addictive and health-destroying substance and the billionaires who profit off of it Yeah man that's totally the thing I was saying, good for you, being clever as advertised. I'll spell it out tho, real simple: whether or not they have a point, they turbofucked the ~EVALI~ thing in a way that legitimately endangered peoples' lives, re: not telling people the right information (a non-trivial number still assumed THC vapes were safe, when they were in fact what was killing people), as well as driving people back towards traditional cigarettes. I didn't say I disagree with the message - not smoking is good, you shouldn't smoke - but I find their tactics and practices pretty lovely.
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FrozenVent posted:We don’t have enough data to draw conclusions about COVID19 and even if we did the disease hasn’t been on the radar long enough to have been properly analyzed and studied. Let's all go six months back in time and you morons take me up on my offer of amnesty
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Pryor on Fire posted:Outside of serious lung conditions and age, obesity appears to be the biggest risk factor for ending up in the hospital and getting critically ill when you catch covid. I've not done any ~scientific google research~ on this, but I'm fairly sure that obesity generally aggravates any severe respiratory condition you might catch. As a former card-carrying fat person, I would say I'd be concerned about my chances with Covid in the hospital before even reading that article, but I guess that most obese folks would brush that word of caution away like any other word of caution regarding their general state of health. I loving know I did for the longest time when I was still 275 lbs, despite "only" being fat at 6'2" while not quite "morbidly obese". The only reason I dropped weight is because of the actual effect - both measurable and conscious - on my knee. I feel like voluntarily - though subconsiously - sustaining or increasing overweight status has some elements of substance abuse, because you don't really notice the necessity for immediate and consistent change until you "see rock bottom coming right up at you", to throw out some more Wire quotes. I didn't see any form of "bottom" coming right up at me (butt-joke) until my 6th knee surgery (not weight-related) and suddenly realized every single fewer pound on this leg buys me time. I'm now around 225lbs and still consider myself "fat" on account of still sporting a bit of a gut and some thicc legs, even though I now fit into some spiffy business-casual attire, but my concern about catching the 'rona is more due to the fact that I'm a thrombosis risk, and can't be administered the same type/amount of medication like antibiotics for supra-infections should I ever require intensive care. Well, that was quite an unsolicited E/N post, thanks for listening 
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Guys, we are in good hands. Trump called on his old buddy Vince McMahon to help restart the economy. "I screwed America? America screwed America.
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Obesity typically goes hand in hand with higher inflammation / poor resolution of inflammation. Type 2 diabetes also goes with this taking it even further. Someone with flu, covid or other diseases that trigger a large / systemic inflammatory response are gonna have a bad time.
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Jaguars! posted:From Dave Barry's history of the US, published in 1989: i may never forget dave barry writing that "trump" sounds like something sick farm animals do, as in "stand back earl, she's about to trump!
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bulletsponge13 posted:Guys, we are in good hands. Trump called on his old buddy Vince McMahon to help restart the economy. Thanks to PSP, I learned that it's not just Vince McMahon and some other ghouls. Be at peace, because Dana White, who currently is planning the continuation of UFC-events on a Mortal-Kombat-tier "Fighter Island" in spite of the crisis, is also part of said council.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Thanks to PSP, I learned that it's not just Vince McMahon and some other ghouls. C'mon- you don't think Robert Kraft could get us out of this? Vince will body slam the economy! gently caress it. I'm going to try and enjoy the Final seasons of America.
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What can Trump actually do to "restart the economy" what ever the gently caress that means if no one actually pays attention to the dude? Cool, movie theaters/sports/what ever opens up but what does that matter if no one with discretionary spending actually goes out for fear of the corona? I mean sure you'll end up with weirdos who hang on trumps words going out and being dumb, but they're already doing it as far as I can tell.
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Defenestrategy posted:What can Trump actually do to "restart the economy" what ever the gently caress that means if no one actually pays attention to the dude? Cool, movie theaters/sports/what ever opens up but what does that matter if no one with discretionary spending actually goes out for fear of the corona? I mean sure you'll end up with weirdos who hang on trumps words going out and being dumb, but they're already doing it as far as I can tell. Trump could easily cause a situation where chud businessowners call their employees back to work in direct opposition to the orders of the state governor. Right now the chuds are grumbling but still abiding state leadership. What I don't get about the "re-open the economy!" chuds is how they expect to force people to patronize businesses that are just going to make them sick. It's not my loving duty to catch the 'rona at a movie theater.
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Fallom posted:Trump could easily cause a situation where chud businessowners call their employees back to work in direct opposition to the orders of the state governor. Right now the chuds are grumbling but still abiding state leadership. Did or did not we just have Florida spring break a few weeks ago? There are plenty of people who will run right out to stores, arenas, and theaters as soon as they’re open regardless of how terrible an idea it is. Poorly adapted to current conditions, or less politely too dumb to live.
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Is that a chud rally against the lockdown happening in Michigan I'm seeing on gloomtube? Lots of gadsden flags, flags in general. For fucks sake.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Is that a chud rally against the lockdown happening in Michigan I'm seeing on gloomtube? Lots of gadsden flags, flags in general. They can't lock down the streets! Only we can lock down the streets! See also:  
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The IMF is finally doing something that's unironically good for the world. https://www.imf2020.org/press IMF posted:We are moving forward with a new process that will immediately cancel the debt of the 27 countries facing debt distress. Additionally, all 76 of the World Bank's International Development Association (IDA) countries will receive full debt cancellation. All developing countries categorized either as Middle Income Countries or Low Income Countries who face high debt vulnerabilities will see a full cancellation of debt. In total, this new process will apply to 111 countries. These countries will receive full cancellation of all debts as they wrestle with the COVID-19 Pandemic.
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Midjack posted:Did or did not we just have Florida spring break a few weeks ago? There are plenty of people who will run right out to stores, arenas, and theaters as soon as they’re open regardless of how terrible an idea it is. I don't think it's plenty enough to keep those businesses running like they used to for more than a few weeks, and certainly not once those people start getting sick and are forced to stay home anyway. I can think of a number of people who would take the chance but I suspect a lot more would not.
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drat, the IMF actually doing something good for once. I'm sure Trmup will hate it and tweet viciously. I swear I'm one more brain-melting tweet away from going on a Kirk-Razer meltdown.
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golden bubble posted:The IMF is finally doing something that's unironically good for the world. holy poo poo
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That is nuts. That's some world-reshaping poo poo.
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Fallom posted:I don't think it's plenty enough to keep those businesses running like they used to for more than a few weeks, and certainly not once those people start getting sick and are forced to stay home anyway. I can think of a number of people who would take the chance but I suspect a lot more would not. There will be reports of how awesome the earnings were for the first week and that will be used to pressure everyone else into opening everything everywhere. Then we all get sick and die and it’s twice as bad as it is now. golden bubble posted:The IMF is finally doing something that's unironically good for the world. I don’t trust the IMF not to put in a provision to reinstate those debts sometime in the future.
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My Spirit Otter posted:holy poo poo
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is that legit? only thing im seeing is this https://www.marketwatch.com/story/g-20-has-agreed-to-debt-standstill-for-worlds-poorest-countries-imf-and-world-bank-heads-say-2020-04-15
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:is that legit? https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/04/13/pr20151-imf-executive-board-approves-immediate-debt-relief-for-25-countries
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:is that legit? It's coming straight from the Spring Meetings of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank Group today.
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Well that is absolutely unexpected and a welcome change from the downpour of bad news and bad decisions.
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It’s so nice of the colonizers to take a moment of pity on the colonized
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https://twitter.com/FOXSoccer/status/1250149763548188672 https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1249784419990282240
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golden bubble posted:The IMF is finally doing something that's unironically good for the world. There's no way they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I'd love to see the powerpoint slide that convinced them this was the best move.
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Doc Hawkins posted:There's no way they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I'd love to see the powerpoint slide that convinced them this was the best move. The IMF and World Bank aren’t exactly the horrifically predatory organizations that they were 20 years ago or so. There’s been a lot of change in leadership and the way that they engage with countries, and while their actions definitely deserve observation and scrutiny and criticism where needed, not everything they do is calculated with “how do we gently caress over the poor today?” up front. This is at least my impression having worked with some Bank/Fund people in the field, mostly in a security context.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Is that a chud rally against the lockdown happening in Michigan I'm seeing on gloomtube? Lots of gadsden flags, flags in general. https://twitter.com/btreports/status/1250449677004259328 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1250469850570346496 These are mostly protestors from the rural portions of the state, that haven't really been affected by coronavirus. They're about to be. It's all dumb political posturing, except the virus doesn't give a poo poo if you're owning libs. Note: This is as the state has the 3rd highest amount of cases, without the 3rd highest population. The Metro Detroit area is getting skullfucked while the rural chuds are coming in yelling WHAT ABOUT ARE FREEDUM There's a good article about this going nationwide: https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1250477318855852032 The main driver of this whole thing is rich idiots being in charge of the message at Fox News, either on the talent side or the takling-head-businessman side. A secondary driver is Trump repeating that message because all he does is watch TV. If either of those things weren't true, a lot of lives could be saved by just telling these chuddy fucks to stay home and/or take this poo poo seriously at a minimum.z facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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pantslesswithwolves posted:The IMF and World Bank aren’t exactly the horrifically predatory organizations that they were 20 years ago or so. There’s been a lot of change in leadership and the way that they engage with countries, and while their actions definitely deserve observation and scrutiny and criticism where needed, not everything they do is calculated with “how do we gently caress over the poor today?” up front. They also have their poo poo pretty strapped down with regard to research and modeling the impact of their different decisions, so they'll look even at things that go against the typical neoliberal line but there's too much data saying it's a good idea. Like debt forgiveness - I guarandamntee that the decision wasn't made because of activists, but instead because of an oh-poo poo moment looking at what was likely to happen if they didn't.
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Doc Hawkins posted:There's no way they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I'd love to see the powerpoint slide that convinced them this was the best move. Figure out which old white guy is going to get more money as a result and you’ll have your answer.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Thanks to PSP, I learned that it's not just Vince McMahon and some other ghouls. What the gently caress is this Shao khan bullshit?
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golden bubble posted:The IMF is finally doing something that's unironically good for the world. kill me now, I've seen everything
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BurningChrome posted:Lord you can take me now, I've seen it all.
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JFC https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1249772062752849921
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Some pretty damning maps here. No matter what way you look at it, it’s loss https://twitter.com/lastpositivist/status/1250179539399069701?s=20
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