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RockyB posted:Yeah and all those engaged left wing yoof aren't going to loving vote, because all they can see is two brands of the same old shite. The next five years under Starmer are likely to see a complete loss of faith in the Labour party as an actual vehicle of change, in much the same way as the democractic party over in the US is going to hand Trump a second term on a silver platter. See already the utter lack of firebrand post-Corbyn leadership candidates and that 'No vote' beat Starmer. The thing about young people is they don't stay young forever? My point is the youth (and frankly defining "youth" as "under-40" is already massively stretching it, as much as I want to imagine I'm still young) are left wing and they're aging into the bracket of people who vote reliably. The right wing are already there, but they're dying off at the other end and not being replaced. And do people really think that all the lefties leaving Labour is going to improve or worsen a Starmer leadership? E: 154: The current fighting strength of the national revolutionary forces that will overthrow the government.
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XMNN posted:761 dead in hospitals in England, which I think is going to be free of any weekend effect by now? Bank holiday added another day of reporting lag, surely.
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Comrade Fakename posted:The number 1 reason why austerity is dead as a political project - that is, no party, not even the Tories, will actively promote it as a solution now, and that all parties agree (in word at least) that for instance the NHS needs to be funded more - is that Corbyn was leader of the Labour party. This might just seem like a rhetorical difference but it fundamentally limits what the Tories can do to destroy this country. If you think austerity is dead you're dreaming. Austerity is AT BEST on pause for a month or two whilst the government gets enough popularity to start turbofucking the poor for their own profit again.
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namesake posted:Austerity will absolutely make a comeback as a political idea, all the rightwingers need to do is point at the debt to GDP ratio which will explode over the next year and start saying that no matter how good, well deserving or possibly even essential a service is, that it's just not feasible to keep it going under current conditions and it needs to be reduced or the private sector needs to bear some of the costs and so cuts and privatisation takes place (although there's really little left to cut or privatise). They'll also push it as a need for britane to be lean and mean after brexit for maximum competitiveness, especially after all this also where's Pochoclo and Rarity these days??
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XMNN posted:761 dead in hospitals in England, which I think is going to be free of any weekend effect by now?  The 'provision' bars are the ones the NHS themselves label as 'Data likely to change' Most the deaths are recorded within five days but they still continue to get noted after that. For example, only 81% of the deaths known to have occurred on the 31st March were collated in the first five days. The long-tail of reports seems to have gotten longer, presumably as the hospital system has been more overworked. If you apply an 80% rule to the first couple of red bars then we're still in the flattening stage rather that decreasing stage.  This shows how quickly NHS England is currently able to account for deaths. For the 1st May, it's taken ten days to converge on something that looks like a final number. ref: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
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radmonger posted:Yeah it is rather questionable, given the timing and material details, that Cuban intervention in Angola really did have the kind of definitive effect of ending apartheid that is commonly claimed here. Those were all tied together with the war so much in the national consciousness that it's no surprise that within 2 years there was a referendum to end apartheid and it easily passed. https://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/
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XMNN posted:in a completely anecdotal barometer of how bad the situation in hospitals is, my dad hasn't actually been asked to go in to help out yet, which is a bit odd. I feel like if they were really hurting for staff he would be one of the first people called back as he's a very recently retired anaesthetist and his colleagues specifically reached out to him. Apparently they're nearing a 100 COVID deaths but I don't know if that's a lot relative to the capacity of the hospital. a relative of mine who's a GP in London says his local hospital has got ~20 empty ICU beds and the feeling is that they won't even need to use the Nightingale
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Lmao Starmer's decision to focus on the exit strategy as a criticism is not going down well with literally anyone, in any of the groups I'm in
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Similar story from a friend who is a consultant in Brighton, they're busy but not much more than normal and nowhere close to overwhelmed.
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Those with green fingers in London and the South East might be interested in Plantsavers, who are doing lucky-dip deliveries of plants from closed garden centres (and also compost deliveries if you just need that) at relatively cheap prices.
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Pablo Bluth posted:This is NHS England's current understanding of in-hospital deaths by actual date, as of yesterday 5pm. If they can tell how many deaths we're going to have on the 1st of May I think our problems are already over. Other problems - that the NHS is now run by necromancers using the dead to predict the future - may just be starting though.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Those with green fingers in London and the South East might be interested in Plantsavers, who are doing lucky-dip deliveries of plants from closed garden centres (and also compost deliveries if you just need that) at relatively cheap prices. Looks like flowers only not veggies I assume? Edit: would read that Laundry Files novel
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If they can tell how many deaths we're going to have on the 1st of May I think our problems are already over. Other problems - that the NHS is now run by necromancers using the dead to predict the future - may just be starting though.
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feedmegin posted:Looks like flowers only not veggies I assume? I've never seen a garden centre sell potted veggies so probably not, no - can't hurt to drop them a line and ask though.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've never seen a garden centre sell potted veggies so probably not, no - can't hurt to drop them a line and ask though. Many garden centres sell many vegetables, especially at this time of year. All your tomatoes, cucumbers, chillies, aubergines - all that greenhouse stuff - is just coming into season and you’ve also got seedlings of most brassicas available. Loads of stuff.
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That's Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon now both calling for UBI.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've never seen a garden centre sell potted veggies so probably not, no - can't hurt to drop them a line and ask though. They do usually sell them in small rectangular trays or individual pots for tomatoes/peppers/curcubits (similar to the herbs). The rectangular ones are never that great imo because they cram in too many plants and it's difficult to separate them out. It sounds like those people are focusing more on bigger individual pots of perennials rather than bedding. The herb and veg modules are tiny and I assume very low margin.
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Coohoolin posted:That's Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon now both calling for UBI. gently caress. It's a pity the Tory party mantra is 'do the opposite of what Scotland wants'.
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Coohoolin posted:That's Ian Blackford and Nicola Sturgeon now both calling for UBI. definitely read that B as a D for a second there
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dispatch_async posted:They do usually sell them in small rectangular trays or individual pots for tomatoes/peppers/curcubits (similar to the herbs). The rectangular ones are never that great imo because they cram in too many plants and it's difficult to separate them out. That's why I specified potted, these guys seem to be just concentrating on the potted plants coming into flower now that the garden centres will be absolutely stuffed with. presumably because they're the ones with the ROI needed for the centres/nurseries to keep going.
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Guavanaut posted:Everyone in South Africa was sick of the war even by the 80s, it was like if an even longer running Vietnam was happening right on your doorstep. Hence my problem with the claim that, had SA only done somewhat better in the war (as they presumably would have with fewer Cubans), then everything would have been fine. ‘A preceded B’ is not enough to claim ‘A caused B’. It needs to actually matter, to have a mechanism by which it takes effect. Had the Angolans marched into Pretoria and installed a government of occupation that would be clear. Outside that, you are left saying unsupported stuff about how the war.made white South Africans feel, without finding it necessary to explain why that was more important than the general Western rejection of South Africa following the UN arms boycott.
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Angepain posted:definitely read that B as a D for a second there Porque no los dos?
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Coohoolin posted:Lmao Starmer's decision to focus on the exit strategy as a criticism is not going down well with literally anyone, in any of the groups I'm in How come? I'd expect it would go down quite well with people stuck inside with an abusive partner, or a homophobic parent, or kids that are sick of the PS4. He's articulating the sort of question that anyone asks when they're told to stay indoors until notified otherwise. What he is missing is a couple of wingers to start kicking up a ruckus on his behalf, while being somewhat deniable. Making more of the fact that bin bags aren't acceptable PPE, or that 300,000 tests is a rounding error against what the number should be. Like, the conservatives have always had Liam Fox or IDS around say something execrable for the cameras so their actual position seems tame by comparison. Labour doesn't seem to be able to do that.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Political correspondent, New Statesman tweet: Has he been shitcanned?
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serious gaylord posted:Has he been shitcanned? I don't know. Hopefully it's not just an accidental omission! Update: https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1250478544523857922?s=20
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Angepain posted:definitely read that B as a D for a second there Ian Dlackford?
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Starmer online now saying that the Uk must never return to austerity and that the economy must fundamentally change going forwards. Also talking a lot about unity lol.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Starmer online now saying that the Uk must never return to austerity and that the economy must fundamentally change going forwards. Also talking a lot about unity lol. Good turnout so far, they're saying over 10k on zoom. They are actually taking questions (lol, 1,700 sent in so far!), although I dare say with that many people on the call there will be lots of grouping and sifting. Keir so far talking very strongly about lack of tests etc. Seems to be on top of government's previous test targets and where they are against them. He actually comes across relatively normally when he's in full flow. Not half as awkward as he is when doing a speech. Pablo Bluth posted:This is NHS England's current understanding of in-hospital deaths by actual date, as of yesterday 5pm. I must say that I'm encouraged at how quickly we appear to have moved into the flattening zone. Not to minimise the tragedies occurring every day in our hospitals and care homes, but I was expecting that daily death number to shoot way, way, past Italy given the delay in our lockdown and its comparative slackness. Perhaps this might be an indication that the severity of lockdown doesn't need to be Alcatraz-level in order to get the bulk of the benefit of reducing transmission? Edit: vv Agreed. Some genuine upset in Angela's voice IMO. Edit2: Although god I just *hate* "Ange". That word triggers me so bad for some random reason. Prince John fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 15, 2020 |
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radmonger posted:Hence my problem with the claim that, had SA only done somewhat better in the war (as they presumably would have with fewer Cubans), then everything would have been fine. What a state can't carry on with is a loss of the idea of the national mission, and South Africa's was militarism under the doctrine that they had superior firepower and tactics and the enemy were a bunch of bush people with spears and rocks. The crushing defeat at Cuito Cuanavale, and the government having to negotiate defeat and depart Namibia in an orderly fashion in order to get out of the mess they made was a blow to the government and national psyche on a huge scale. Bringing in de Klerk to fold on literally everything that had been the South African national mission both foreign and domestic within a month of finalizing withdrawal from Namibia should tell you something of the national mood at the time. It wasn't just the one event of Cuito Cuanavale, it was the culmination of 22 years of constant war in such a pants-making GBS threads damp squib that caused a crack ping and the National Party to throw away everything since Verwoerd. I can't prove how people then were feeling (other than that people who were there said so) but even the newspapers who were usually poked if they stepped out of line during the state of emergency were calling it a national humiliation, and the fears of civil war were at their highest point because of the crushing defeat and the border getting quite a bit closer. But overall the throwing out of over 40 years of NP philosophy happened pretty quickly after the loss of South-West Africa, and that happened at the scale that it did due to the loss of air superiority as SA's jets were completely outclassed by newer MiGs. It's a counterfactual, I know, but I could totally see the South African state continue as a repressive apartheid state under international disapproval for a few more decades if they hadn't tripped over their own dicks and instead had negotiated a peace deal over Angola, but it would not have been in the character of the state of the time to do so. See also: Hitler, A. I know I'm not the only one who believes that Cuban interventionism was a big part in its unraveling.  Prince John posted:I must say that I'm encouraged at how quickly we appear to have moved into the flattening zone. Not to minimise the tragedies occurring every day in our hospitals and care homes, but I was expecting that daily death number to shoot way, way, past Italy given the delay in our lockdown and its comparative slackness. Perhaps this might be an indication that the severity of lockdown doesn't need to be Alcatraz-level in order to get the bulk of the benefit of reducing transmission?
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Guavanaut posted:Wasn't there a thing about 50% lockdown being almost as good as 90% lockdown or something, I remember something like that ITT.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Raynor seems genuinely upset about the contents of the report, Starmer somewhat less so. He already saw it a week before anyone else though, right?
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Scikar posted:He already saw it a week before anyone else though, right? And he still wanted to appoint Emily Oldknow as Labour General Secretary
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Prince John posted:Edit2: Although god I just *hate* "Ange". That word triggers me so bad for some random reason. This is actually quite common from what i've heard. people keep telling me how they can't stand Ange pain
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