Celexi posted:

This would make sense if you didn't actively post how great the ps3 was over the 360 lol

Celexi posted:

This would make sense if you didn't actively post how great the ps3 was over the 360 lol

And yes nintendo is bad too!

Barudak posted:

I did once notice inexplicably different sound mixing from streaming to blu-ray. One of two films I ever bought on Blu-Ray had a voice track that was so quiet I couldn't turn up the volume loud enough to hear it without blowing out my ears on the sound effects but the streaming versions are all perfectly fine. It was such a stupid experience it further cemented in me a complete aversion to bluray

Ok Comboomer posted:

gotta see those puppets bone in schweeeet 4k....

Stux posted:

all i did last gen was post about how ps3 games were all brown and motorstorm was the only game and i didnt get a ps3 until a year before it was discontinued lmao

by the end of the generation though yeah the ps3 was better once microsoft decided to only make kinect games and sony actually decided to release any games at all and make the stupid thing not cost $600. only took 7 years.

Stux posted:

oh, forgot the time they tried to make a console platform with DRM that would make you unable to resell physical game purchases lol

Fly Ricky posted:

Related question: does Plex support 4k? I'm an idiot who only two days ago realized I could set up a Plex server on the Xbox.

Barudak posted:

While I agree conceptually that sounded interesting, I dont think any of that actually existed except a fevered panic backtrack concept before just removing the whole thing entirely.

SUNKOS posted:

It was funny when Major Nelson was doing that "You can't just push a button" thing in defense of it and then Microsoft changed it in a day. At least he owned it though when people rightfully mocked him for it.

Celexi posted:

I forgot to address this, that actually was good and you could resell games, it was going to have a marketplace and since you could turn a physical license into a digital you wouldn't have to worry about the disc stopping working, out of all the lovely things the xbox had initially planned, this was not one of them.
Oh, you also could share games instantly without exchanging discs, but alas it never came to fruition because most people didn't know how it worked lol

Sudden Loud Noise posted:

Plex 4K playback on the Xbox one is bad.

Barudak posted:

I did once notice inexplicably different sound mixing from streaming to blu-ray. One of two films I ever bought on Blu-Ray had a voice track that was so quiet I couldn't turn up the volume loud enough to hear it without blowing out my ears on the sound effects but the streaming versions are all perfectly fine. It was such a stupid experience it further cemented in me a complete aversion to bluray

mem posted:

Yeah I mean if you listen using your TV's speakers you probably won't notice a difference, but whereas a disc has about 3-5 times the bitrate on video it will have around 10 times the bitrate on audio. Not to mention the hit or miss on audio configurations (dts-hd/Dolby/etc).

Fly Ricky posted:

Today I learned my Xbox One has a 4k Blu-ray player.

Is there a 4k version of Team America: World Police? Otherwise this feature is loving worthless.

Related question: does Plex support 4k? I'm an idiot who only two days ago realized I could set up a Plex server on the Xbox.

Celexi posted:

They Both do suck, but by promoting the harmful "exclusives own on ps4" you are more or less advertising for sony.

univbee posted:

No, their plan was only a single license transfer was possible (so if you bought a "used" game you were stuck with it outright), and only the "bigger" stores would have the system in place to process people's codes (automatically a non-starter in many countries like Japan), and you would have not been able to resell it yourself directly. They never really got to explain how the digital learning plan was and people thought that meant 10 people could split the new Call of Duty for $60 each. Microsoft was still at this time requiring people to have XBL just to be able to access Netflix (you still had to pay normally for Netflix beyond that), there is no way in hell they were planning anything that would have been beneficial to consumers at that time.


I find Plex has trouble with 4K outright, regardless of where you're playing it. Even if it worked you'd need separate files for HDR and SDR playback anyway. When I'm playing my 4K Linux ISOs I just do straight remuxes from the disc images to an MKV and direct play those via external on either my TV directly or an Nvidia SHIELD.


This is another unspoken element of Blu-ray, a lot of them really expect you to have some form of 5.1 setup and their audio track isn't always well suited to a stereo downmix. Sometimes you can fiddle with settings to lower the dynamic range being output or otherwise have the sound mixed differently and get better results. However, Netflix and iTunes and I think other digital platforms typically do have a proper Stereo track. You might have to specifically select it, but it's at least there, and frankly should be a standard on all physical media outright IMO. It's a properly-done mix and far better than any equipment you have auto-downmixing to stereo.


This is true but again you're not going to get any benefit from a Stereo AAC track if you're just outputting to your TV.

On iTunes at least the old standard was that you'd have a 128kbps stereo AAC track and a 384kbps Dolby Digital 5.1 AC3 track. That said, iTunes specifically offers higher video and audio bitrates for at least their more recent stuff if you're streaming vs if you download it via iTunes and play it from there. When streaming, they also offer Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 (so eac3 format), as well as a lossy version of Dolby Atmos on some of their releases (usually the ones they have in 4K but there are HD-only exceptions). Netflix, likewise, used to do the straight Dolby Digital 5.1 at 384kbps and Stereo (pretty sure it was 128kbps, not sure if it was AAC or AC3), but now they do eac3, usually it's something like 256kbps for Stereo and 640kbps for 5.1. If you don't specifically have a setup above 5.1 it's pretty commonly accepted amongst those who don't pay five figures a foot for their audio cables that humans aren't capable of accurately sussing out the difference between this level of lossiness and true lossless, with all else being equal (it can be difficult to get an accurate comparison since the physical media might not necessarily be mixed the same as the streaming version).


See above for Plex. You might be able to get it to work OK. I don't think Plex properly supports Atmos, though, but I don't have the gear for it so I'm not 100% sure on that.

For Team America, not only is there no 4K version, but there isn't even an uncut version in 1080p. This underscores a general problem with the post-DVD physical media scape, the higher resolutions as well as the advanced stuff Blu-ray (and UHD Blu-ray which mostly uses the same tech) uses, coupled with the far less lucrative physical media marketplace than at DVD's peak, means a lot of Blu-rays are phoned in and more often than not can be equivalent to those DVDs where the only features they advertise on the cover are "chapters" and "interactive menus".

Here's a guy with an insane physical media collection (of all kinds) talking about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tetXKdi9U3c

This laziness by extension is pronounced enough that UHD Blu-ray is another step down where there are a surprisingly large number of movies (and major ones at that) where 4K is only available digitally somehow. Sometimes there's a future plan for it (e.g. they only just released all eleven-ish Star Wars films on UHD Blu-ray two weeks ago, while they've been in 4K on Disney+ since the service launched in November), sometimes there isn't (e.g. Taxi Driver has been in 4K on iTunes for at least a year, possibly even 2, and still has no formal announcement of a UHD Blu-ray release).

Celexi posted:

I forgot to address this, that actually was good and you could resell games, it was going to have a marketplace and since you could turn a physical license into a digital you wouldn't have to worry about the disc stopping working, out of all the lovely things the xbox had initially planned, this was not one of them.
Oh, you also could share games instantly without exchanging discs, but alas it never came to fruition because most people didn't know how it worked lol

univbee posted:

univbee posted:

On iTunes at least the old standard was that you'd have a 128kbps stereo AAC track and a 384kbps Dolby Digital 5.1 AC3 track. That said, iTunes specifically offers higher video and audio bitrates for at least their more recent stuff if you're streaming vs if you download it via iTunes and play it from there. When streaming, they also offer Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 (so eac3 format), as well as a lossy version of Dolby Atmos on some of their releases (usually the ones they have in 4K but there are HD-only exceptions). Netflix, likewise, used to do the straight Dolby Digital 5.1 at 384kbps and Stereo (pretty sure it was 128kbps, not sure if it was AAC or AC3), but now they do eac3, usually it's something like 256kbps for Stereo and 640kbps for 5.1. If you don't specifically have a setup above 5.1 it's pretty commonly accepted amongst those who don't pay five figures a foot for their audio cables that humans aren't capable of accurately sussing out the difference between this level of lossiness and true lossless, with all else being equal (it can be difficult to get an accurate comparison since the physical media might not necessarily be mixed the same as the streaming version).

univbee posted:

For Team America, not only is there no 4K version, but there isn't even an uncut version in 1080p.

Fly Ricky posted:

Thanks in advance for saving me the time of even bothering to watch the Blu-ray of it. I'll stick with my DVD-rip.

univbee posted:

There is nothing more Xbox than a 480p experience.

Ok Comboomer posted:

New thread title pls

Either that or: by promoting the harmful "exclusives own on ps4" you are more or less advertising for sony

Stux posted:

can we get the big ironicat for you saying i was advertising for sony before going on an impassioned defence of regressive DRM based on what some melted brain redditors made up because they refused to believe microsoft wanted to lock down your software as much as possible lmao

univbee posted:

No, their plan was only a single license transfer was possible (so if you bought a "used" game you were stuck with it outright), and only the "bigger" stores would have the system in place to process people's codes (automatically a non-starter in many countries like Japan), and you would have not been able to resell it yourself directly. They never really got to explain how the digital learning plan was and people thought that meant 10 people could split the new Call of Duty for $60 each. Microsoft was still at this time requiring people to have XBL just to be able to access Netflix (you still had to pay normally for Netflix beyond that), there is no way in hell they were planning anything that would have been beneficial to consumers at that time.




See above for Plex. You might be able to get it to work OK. I don't think Plex properly supports Atmos, though, but I don't have the gear for it so I'm not 100% sure on that.

Celexi posted:

it wasn't made up and it didn't exist anyway

Celexi posted:

still cant deny that turning a disc license (which is drm, and most disc games you have to download a second part, so lol if you think having a disc makes you free from the reigns of drm) into a digital license would have been good for people that are not going to resell it as it made it easier to share the game

univbee posted:

A disc does free you from most DRM issues, updates or not. Sure, if you buy the disc version of Overwatch you have to redownload the whole game so the disc is legit just a license, however it’s a physical license and all that entails. You can rent it from a Redbox kiosk. You can resell it or trade it in. You can lend it to a friend. Other people can use it on a console that isn’t your primary activated console. If the game releases and is a garbage fire you have much better return avenues usually (Amazon will just “whatever” and take it back for a full refund). If a store has too many copies they’ll fire sale them, or to compete with other retailers they’ll undercut MSRP and sell it day one at a discount (this is the norm outside of the US and Canada, in fact). You can do all these things no matter how much Activision Blizzard don’t want you to. And that is the stuff Microsoft wanted to take away for everyone.

Currently the only real advantage digital offers is pre-loading and not having to get up to change discs, although you trade off all the other stuff I listed for the privilege. Next gen could take things further by, for example, making all cross-gen titles do cross-buy for digital (something Sony did a few times with PS3/PS4), or letting you play games you own digitally via the cloud.

univbee posted:

There is nothing more Xbox than a 480p experience.

Celexi posted:

How about it had been released with a compromise of allowing the users to pick to turn a disc to a digital license or not?
Obviously this would have made harder for redbox and the like to track if the license had not been converted and the disc was useless, but still

Stux posted:

for who? who cares about doing that at the expense of letting publishers decide if you could sell a disc and if you could, how much you had to pay them for the privilege? and alongside that you had to have your console sign in online every 24 hours or you literally couldnt use your games, even offline. they had that stupid clip where they responded to "what if i dont have access to that" to buy a 360 instead.

Celexi posted:

I forgot to address this, that actually was good and you could resell games, it was going to have a marketplace and since you could turn a physical license into a digital you wouldn't have to worry about the disc stopping working

hambeet posted:

Forza horizon 4 isn’t grabbing me as much as 3 did

Tei posted:

*looks at thread title*

What the hell happened here?


It looks like Xbox is going to win the new generation. I just hope they do a better job with the UI.

Thanks for the answer about BC of games running on a external drive.

ErrEff posted:

Xbox is constantly having it's layout and design language changed, with features added and removed and stuff moved around. You can't even easily get to the Settings from the guide now, you need to specifically go into My Apps if it isn't already pinned to a group or in your recently used list. It's very dumb.