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Darth Walrus posted:GMB joining Unison in the 'poo poo union' rankings. whoa when did Good Morning Britain unionise? thats great
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i keep getting worried about this couple across the street. i usually sit by the window so every now and then, even before the lockdown, i would hear the guy yelling at his kids or possibly also at his wife/girlfriend. I generally can't really make out what's being said but the force of the tone is always kind of suspicious. just now I heard him going off on one with the kids and the woman there, something about how she shouldn't have left the window open and now one of the kids has dropped something out of it, or something, with a whole lot of "loving"s thrown in. I don't know these people at all and I don't really know if there is anything I can do or could do or if i'll ever know if there's something going on or if i just don't like people raising their voice in any capacity. i imagine the lockdown isn't helping the situation any regardless
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Butternubs posted:Yeah, absolutely no idea what Stamers game is asking about the exit strategy, there hasn't been an entry strategy or a peak strategy yet. As far as I can figure it they're trying to get ahead of the conversation so in a few weeks they can say "We've been calling for an exit strategy for weeks now!" and/or the exit strategy part is the only weakness in the overall strategy they think they can press the government on while still supporting the government. It's dumb though because testing, medical provision and exit strategy are all interdependant, they all need to be working together so you can't really focus on one part of it and the exit strategy is the least important part right now.
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Angepain posted:i keep getting worried about this couple across the street. i usually sit by the window so every now and then, even before the lockdown, i would hear the guy yelling at his kids or possibly also at his wife/girlfriend. I generally can't really make out what's being said but the force of the tone is always kind of suspicious. just now I heard him going off on one with the kids and the woman there, something about how she shouldn't have left the window open and now one of the kids has dropped something out of it, or something, with a whole lot of "loving"s thrown in. I don't know these people at all and I don't really know if there is anything I can do or could do or if i'll ever know if there's something going on or if i just don't like people raising their voice in any capacity. i imagine the lockdown isn't helping the situation any regardless please phone 101 right now, see what a professional thinks of your concerns.
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Apr 15, 2020 21:11
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Bad news for those of us hoping that it's less transmissible in hot humid climates like Africa: Possible Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in a Public Bath Center quote:Data were collected from Huai’an No. 4 Hospital of Jiangsu Province, China. A total of 9 patients who had been to the same bath center were hospitalized and enrolled from January 25, 2020, to February 10, 2020. Throat swab samples were collected, and SARS-CoV-2 was detected using a quantitative reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction assay. It's a bath, rather than Africa, so it's not a direct comparison, but it's a negative sign compared to the other SARS.
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Apr 15, 2020 21:27
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Guavanaut posted:It's a bath, rather than Africa, so it's not a direct comparison, the brass eye comeback is shaping up well so far
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interesting update on the state of farm labour in the UK https://www.ft.com/content/0419885b-e865-4e27-8716-b819e046b3e3 quote:
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Cerv posted:interesting update on the state of farm labour in the UK Can afford charter flights, can't afford to actually pay a decent wage.
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Guavanaut posted:The arms embargo and the product boycotts and the state repression were problems, but they're problems that states routinely carry on with for long periods of time. (And the CIA were quite happy to circumvent the embargo in the name of fighting communism.) "Cairo in 30 days" was something white South Africans would bring up entirely out of the blue right up to the end of the apartheid era - the idea of the superiority of their army and its ability to conquer the entire continent was an article of faith among them. Fascists gonna fash, and that sort of thinking is pretty ingrained into all of them, and it's why direct action (from Cable Street to Stalingrad) to disabuse them of that notion is by far the best way of deflating them.
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forkboy84 posted:Can afford charter flights, can't afford to actually pay a decent wage. 200 quid for a charter flight seat is a hell of a saving compared to paying the kind of wages you'd need to pay most English people to do that sort of work.
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Rupert of Hentzau posted:People have been saying this for the last decade (hell, I've been saying it at points myself) and I've yet to see it bearing any fruit whatsoever. The Tory party ran on a ticket of turbo-xenophobia at the last election and won by a landslide. Whatever the solution is, it can't involve waiting for demographic change. Lying. In the 2019 election the Tories absolutely didn't run on a ticket of turbo-xenophobia, compared to the brexit referendum or the 2017 unapologia for Theresa Mays time as Home Secretary it was almost decent. Boris' history of wink-wink racist jokes probably incentivised some racists that would have voted Tory either way but he didn't campaign on xenophobia, his first cabinet was the most ethnically diverse in British history and that wasn't a shock moment it was consistent with the campaigning. Saying the Tory 2019 victory was 'a ticket of turbo-xenophobia' is just a baffling take it's actively ahistorical. Even taking brexit as a proxy for xenophobia, which I'm assuming you're doing and is broadly fair btw, the moment after Leavers won the referendum, on a tactically-split ticket half of which without doubt could accurately be called turbo-xenophobia, they pivoted their message away from the initial justifications for leaving to them being apolitical defenders of direct democracy. It was incredibly effective and morally sound, and that was the angle Johnson took too this idea that the 2019 election would even need xenophobia doesn't make sense; the xenophobia is now folded into the infinitely more defensible Respect Democracy argument. You shouldn't use this as evidence for any doomer poo poo, your description is wrong and we've no reason to think The Kids Are Alright is wrong, the historical Labour surge of 2017 and the historical Labour defeat of 2019 are differentiated only by the changed brexit stance and 2 extra years of media indoctrination, but media indoctrination is surmountable and the brexit event was temporally located and it's not like these fucks are going to improve the material conditions for young people are they? I'm perpetually desperate for Lewis to stop Being A Bit poo poo, he's an amazing potential candidate, but for fucks sakes man if someone calls you a oval office it's fine to say oval office back don't hedge with an asterisk.
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I see racism is going to be Starmer's Antisemitism. Doesn't really matter what he does, it's going to plague him.
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Aramoro posted:I see racism is going to be Starmer's Antisemitism. Doesn't really matter what he does, it's going to plague him. I doubt the press will give a hoot because Starmer conforms to their vested interests unlike his predecessor
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Ratjaculation posted:I doubt the press will give a hoot because Starmer conforms to their vested interests unlike his predecessor Potentially they didn't give a poo poo about the Tories Islamaphobia for the brief moment it was a thing. Kinda depends if the rest of the Labour party manage to let it go.
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https://twitter.com/lenmccluskey/status/1250408736579112963?s=21 The tweet and headline really don't convey the tone of the article. Big Len's out for blood.
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Aramoro posted:I see racism is going to be Starmer's Antisemitism. Doesn't really matter what he does, it's going to plague him. Do you suppose the media would pretend to care about Diane Abbott's feelings in order to attack Starmer? Or will they find a way to decry Starmer's lack of action on racism within his party while continuing to dog whistle about Abbott (and the rest of the black Labour MPs) like they normally do?
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Aramoro posted:I see racism is going to be Starmer's Antisemitism. Doesn't really matter what he does, it's going to plague him. I mean I think the difference is that he's literally surrounding himself with big racists who he won't criticise despite blatant proof of their big racism.
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Apr 15, 2020 22:53
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I think the difference is that he's literally surrounding himself with big racists who he won't criticise despite blatant proof of their big racism. Like the truth actually matters?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:200 quid for a charter flight seat is a hell of a saving compared to paying the kind of wages you'd need to pay most English people to do that sort of work. In quarantine times though? I've signed up to do it, picking fruit in the sun with a bluetooth speaker and getting tipsy in a barn dorm with some based eastern-europeans each night sounds fun at the moment and getting paid for it too? I'm English people I'm well up for that and btw if the wages are so beneath you to even consider them worthy then congrats being so much better than and inplicitely dehumanising the precariat I guess.
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Apr 15, 2020 22:58
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Aramoro posted:Like the truth actually matters? It matters to the membership, I think. This isn't manufactured outrage, this is people actually being angry about real facts that actually happened.
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Goons, a few pages ago some of you talked about identity politics, one of you even posted a Jacobin video. Could you recommend a book to a dufus (or maybe another YouTube video) on the subject? Thank you.
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Vitamin P posted:I'm perpetually desperate for Lewis to stop Being A Bit poo poo, he's an amazing potential candidate, but for fucks sakes man if someone calls you a oval office it's fine to say oval office back don't hedge with an asterisk. What a bizarre thing to get bent out of shape about.
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I don't know if there's really a single coherent definition. If I was to give one it would be "identity politics is politics done by people I don't like" Generally it refers to like, politics driven by personal feelings and identity rather than supposed "material concerns" or whatever except that presumes a hard disconnect between personal identity and material conditions and concerns, which I don't think exists. So it's often used by like, weird auth left people who don't like all these gays and wimmins and races in my leftism. And also by the right wing weirdos who definitely don't like any of those people either. But you can also just use it to describe, like, the process by which people are motivated through attacks on their selves, physical and perceived, to engage in politics?
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sassassin posted:What a bizarre thing to get bent out of shape about. Lewis is a charismatic handsome ex-military man that has drunk-tweeted extremely cogent and explicitly anti-neoliberal takes, he seems to genuinely understand how awful neoliberal atomisation is, by any measure he's a legit good bloke with a potentially massive electoral appeal but he just won't get involved he won't fight. Pray please tell me what part of that analysis is me getting 'bent out of shape' saying a potentially good representative should start trying harder to be good doesn't seem mad to me.
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Isn't he hardcore remain? Also I'm fairly sure if he posts the word oval office on twitter he would get his account suspended.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:"Cairo in 30 days" was something white South Africans would bring up entirely out of the blue right up to the end of the apartheid era - the idea of the superiority of their army and its ability to conquer the entire continent was an article of faith among them. Fascists gonna fash, and that sort of thinking is pretty ingrained into all of them, and it's why direct action (from Cable Street to Stalingrad) to disabuse them of that notion is by far the best way of deflating them. Doubly ironic in that they'd later repeat the 'retreat and hide in the desert while everyone else gets surrounded' bit of Rommel's campaign, and that the gunners that achieved that for the Commonwealth were South African. Also  Vitamin P posted:I'm perpetually desperate for Lewis to stop Being A Bit poo poo, he's an amazing potential candidate, but for fucks sakes man if someone calls you a oval office it's fine to say oval office back don't hedge with an asterisk.
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Vitamin P posted:In quarantine times though? I've signed up to do it, picking fruit in the sun with a bluetooth speaker and getting tipsy in a barn dorm with some based eastern-europeans each night sounds fun at the moment and getting paid for it too? I'm English people I'm well up for that and btw if the wages are so beneath you to even consider them worthy then congrats being so much better than and inplicitely dehumanising the precariat I guess. a) The word "most" was in there for a reason. There were a million unemployed people in the UK this time last year and most of them weren't up for it. b) You have no loving clue how physically punishing fruit picking is. It's not stopping at a layby and filling a couple of punnets of strawbs, it's probably about the hardest physical labour imaginable and god loving help you if you don't get your bargain in or let a single dodgy fruit through. Do me a favour - crouch down on your haunches and move your hands from ground level to above your head. Then take a step forward and do it again. Then do that for 16 hours, with the length of your breaks being determined by how quickly you can do it. Then do it for two weeks with no days off, with your accommodation being a sub-Pontins chalet shared with 3 other people if you're lucky, or a repurposed chicken coop with a sleeping bag if you're not. c) Eastern Europeans (and others from poorer countries) come to richer countries to get the harvests in because of the massive multiplier effect - three months getting the harvest in will pay them the equivalent of a years wages at home, if not more. I'd put up with a lot of poo poo to earn quadruple the wages I get now. d) Go gently caress yourself. If anything you're the one dehumanising poorer people with your "Sounds like a lark, I quite fancy it to get out of the house for a while".
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Vitamin P posted:Lewis is a charismatic handsome ex-military man that has drunk-tweeted extremely cogent and explicitly anti-neoliberal takes, he seems to genuinely understand how awful neoliberal atomisation is, by any measure he's a legit good bloke with a potentially massive electoral appeal but he just won't get involved he won't fight. The "but for fucks sakes man".
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bornbytheriver posted:Goons, a few pages ago some of you talked about identity politics, one of you even posted a Jacobin video. So the identity politics critique cuts along 2 basic lines, the first is conversatives and fascists that hate minority groups gaining any power or representation so they use the IDpol criticism to weaken those groups, the second is leftists who noticed identity politics is very easily coopted by neoliberals to undermine class consciousness and manufacture a false moral code. There isn't really an easily accessible link but the best moralistic intellectuals alive right now are Zizek and Nagle so those are good start points.
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't he hardcore remain? Yeah lots of good people are hardcore remain, as long as he doesn't do the Starmer anti-democratic poo poo it's irrelevant.
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