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Brendan Rodgers posted:I was actually thinking of that new Jason Momoa show, See, where a virus left 2 million humans alive, all blind, and giving birth to blind children. Great show, only one season so far. *looks at short story I've been writing* sounds like a good idea for a show, I'll have a look. Isomermaid posted:"He who smelt it, dealt it", if you will  e: What a snipe 1 ounce of pistachios contain 159 calories, so you could eat 15 ounces of pistachios a day and feel great. justcola fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Pablo Bluth posted:Updated NHS Coronavirus stats I'm guessing the giant drop at the end is "it's only 2.30 so most of today's deaths haven't happened" rather than "deaths have plummeted"?
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justcola posted:*looks at short story I've been writing* Hey don't stop or be discouraged or anything like that, no story is actually unique.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Hey don't stop or be discouraged or anything like that, no story is actually unique. It can go into the recent 'Can't do things' genre, can't see, can't speak, can't move etc. Make it so everyone is deaf, don't think that's been done yet.
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Qwertycoatl posted:I'm guessing the giant drop at the end is "it's only 2.30 so most of today's deaths haven't happened" rather than "deaths have plummeted"?  Ignore the date on the chart - it's for the 1st April (not 1st May). It takes about three or four days for the majority of the deaths to be counted but up to about ten for something close to definitive. But basically the three right-hand most bars at not anywhere near the actual figure for there corresponding days.
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justcola posted:*looks at short story I've been writing* The use of language is highly advanced but the visuals are non-existant.
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Yeah, for everyone asking what they can do about all the LabourLeaks stuff, switching unions (and encouraging others to switch their union) seems like a great idea. Giving Unite your money rather than Unison or GMB seems like a really good way to send a message without any seriously horrible consequences.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Updated NHS Coronavirus stats Spain Italy and France all showed *long* plateaus of death numbers, I'd be very surprised if we were seeing a downturn now unless there's some other factor than social distancing at play.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Spain Italy and France all showed *long* plateaus of death numbers, I'd be very surprised if we were seeing a downturn now unless there's some other factor than social distancing at play. 861 deaths today. That's plateau numbers for sure.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Updated NHS Coronavirus stats Today's number of deaths is 861 which means that first red bar is actually now a much taller blue bar, so don't get too excited yet.
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Still, it really does look now like we've plateaued now instead of exponentially increasing. I'll take the good news I can get.
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Qwertycoatl posted:Still, it really does look now like we've plateaued now instead of exponentially increasing. I'll take the good news I can get. Oh definitely, and with (rumoured) only ~80% bed occupancy (of the admittedly massively expanded capacity) we'll hopefully be able to avoid the big jump in non-CV deaths seen in Italy.
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Loonytoad Quack posted:Today's number of deaths is 861 which means that first red bar is actually now a much taller blue bar, so don't get too excited yet.
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I'm still really curious if the BCG/lowered symptoms thing really is true, but I'd also rather not find out - ya know, because there's no enough data to draw conclusions RE: the dead.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Spain Italy and France all showed *long* plateaus of death numbers, I'd be very surprised if we were seeing a downturn now unless there's some other factor than social distancing at play.
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They're not going to stop. Anyone else read the pathetic twitter rantings of Hirsh? Can't believe students pay good money to get lectures off him! https://twitter.com/ProgressOnline/status/1250740867251519489?s=20 re death graphs: until we get figures of deaths in care homes or at home, we can't know if we're still increasing, peaking or what.
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Tesseraction posted:I'm still really curious if the BCG/lowered symptoms thing really is true, but I'd also rather not find out - ya know, because there's no enough data to draw conclusions RE: the dead. I'd be surprised if someone doesn't look into it ex post facto, but I'd also be fairly surprised if it's true given that a priori there's no particular reason to suggest that a vaccination against a bacterial infection should do anything at all against a viral one.
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thespaceinvader posted:I'd be surprised if someone doesn't look into it ex post facto, but I'd also be fairly surprised if it's true given that a priori there's no particular reason to suggest that a vaccination against a bacterial infection should do anything at all against a viral one. True, but as we know even small changes to a living system can have massive knock-on effects.
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Don't most people in the UK between about 30 and 70 have the BCG vaccination?
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Qwertycoatl posted:Don't most people in the UK between about 30 and 70 have the BCG vaccination? It became mandatory around 1953 so someone who's 70 now would have been too old for it, you're looking at people younger than 65 or so. Comparatively Italy and the US have never mandated it.
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thespaceinvader posted:I'd be surprised if someone doesn't look into it ex post facto, but I'd also be fairly surprised if it's true given that a priori there's no particular reason to suggest that a vaccination against a bacterial infection should do anything at all against a viral one. The (extremely speculative) possible explanation I'd heard was that as antibodies don't really give a poo poo about whether it's a virus, bacteria, or random bit of debris in the system, just that they match up with the particular bit of protein they're keyed to attack, that it's not impossible that antibodies keyed against TB might end up matching another random pathogen. That's winning the lottery while a stroke of lightning destroys a meteorite that was going to kill you levels of luck though, unless somehow CV has grabbed DNA from TB or something (I have no idea if that's even vaguely plausible either).
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Qwertycoatl posted:Don't most people in the UK between about 30 and 70 have the BCG vaccination? It stops working after some years, without boosters.
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Tesseraction posted:It became mandatory around 1953 so someone who's 70 now would have been too old for it, you're looking at people younger than 65 or so. Comparatively Italy and the US have never mandated it. Wasn't there also something about a particular strain, explaining the apparent difference in death rates between former East and West Germany?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:They're not going to stop. "The recently leaked... report into the Labour party’s handling of antisemitism aspires to be the founding myth of the left." (???) What a badly written article. And this man teaches? At a university? In London?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The (extremely speculative) possible explanation I'd heard was that as antibodies don't really give a poo poo about whether it's a virus, bacteria, or random bit of debris in the system, just that they match up with the particular bit of protein they're keyed to attack, that it's not impossible that antibodies keyed against TB might end up matching another random pathogen. That's winning the lottery while a stroke of lightning destroys a meteorite that was going to kill you levels of luck though, unless somehow CV has grabbed DNA from TB or something (I have no idea if that's even vaguely plausible either). It's certainly a p[lausible explanation if there is an impact, but as you say, the odds are startlingly unlikely that there would be. All the same, it's a big world, stranger things have happened. but season 3 wasn't very good. Wait what was I saying? E: hahaha the ice cream van is still coming round my estate apparently.
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Tesseraction posted:It became mandatory around 1953 so someone who's 70 now would have been too old for it, you're looking at people younger than 65 or so. Comparatively Italy and the US have never mandated it. When I got it I was in highschool. I don't know what age people got it at in 1953 but if they were like 14 they'd be 80 now e: Oh dear me posted:It stops working after some years, without boosters. Oh well
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:They're not going to stop. I saw that this dude's apparently a proper academic and thought he might have written something coherent and thought-provoking that I could engage with, even though I might not agree with his premises. NOPE.
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Tesseraction posted:It became mandatory around 1953 so someone who's 70 now would have been too old for it, you're looking at people younger than 65 or so. Comparatively Italy and the US have never mandated it. I was confused when I got to university in the UK and everyone had a scar in the same place, especially when they said it was to do with TB. It looks like we got the Mantoux Test several times during primary school (always a source of great fear and apprehension). I never knew anyone get hauled off because the result was "wrong". But we never got the BCG.
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Bobstar posted:I was confused when I got to university in the UK and everyone had a scar in the same place, especially when they said it was to do with TB. Sorry, you wandered into a horror movie by mistake
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The (extremely speculative) possible explanation I'd heard was that as antibodies don't really give a poo poo about whether it's a virus, bacteria, or random bit of debris in the system, just that they match up with the particular bit of protein they're keyed to attack, that it's not impossible that antibodies keyed against TB might end up matching another random pathogen. That's winning the lottery while a stroke of lightning destroys a meteorite that was going to kill you levels of luck though, unless somehow CV has grabbed DNA from TB or something (I have no idea if that's even vaguely plausible either). If there is a correlation, it's probably not going to be antibody-mediated, think it would be more some other kind of non-B-cell immune priming
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That's a little unfair: for all we know, he had to type all that out in 30 seconds and hit 'send' without any further reflection. I mean, I'd hate to think that he looked at that article and thought: "Yep, this is good to publish".
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Qwertycoatl posted:When I got it I was in highschool. I don't know what age people got it at in 1953 but if they were like 14 they'd be 80 now There was a mass vaccination programme of all ages in the 50s*, and after that it was given first year of secondary school (10-11 years old). * The UK was a bit slow off the mark on it despite it being a massive epidemic. Had they been quicker we probably wouldn't have won the World Cup in 1966 though, because if Malcolm Allison had never caught it he'd have carried on as a not very good centre-half instead of completely revolutionising the coaching system at West Ham, who of course went on to win the World Cup (with some supporting artists).
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Qwertycoatl posted:Sorry, you wandered into a horror movie by mistake This would explain why I didn't learn anything and then dropped out
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Failed Imagineer posted:If there is a correlation, it's probably not going to be antibody-mediated, think it would be more some other kind of non-B-cell immune priming Yeah it was someone thinking out loud pretty deep in a Twitter thread, along with some other stuff about the general weird effects of the BCG compared to more modern vaccines. I'll see if I can find it again because it was pretty interesting.
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Qwertycoatl posted:Don't most people in the UK between about 30 and 70 have the BCG vaccination? Yeah, whereas supposedly the older population in China never had it and the areas in Europe with poor uptake were historically the Netherlands and Italy. Areas with high uptake seem to be doing better and some pretty flawed studies with low numbers (~150) of patients have shown some pretty astonishing (10x infection and death rate) in countries with lower BCG uptake. Those are very early raw numbers but it would be a stroke of luck that a vaccine from years ago has saved our bacon out of nowhere. It's more of an interesting curiosity piece at the moment that I've been following closely as immunology was nearly a job I went into as it's fascinating and unsurprisingly complex. With regard to BCG and respiratory virus' we aren't really sure yet. but suspect they may confer some poorly understood benefit. There are also pretty clearly some strong genetic factors in people doing badly in this thought whether that is something innate with the immune system or regarding familial conditions such as diabetes/hypertension/obesity it ain't clear. E; whoops didn't update the thread before posting.
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Failed Imagineer posted:If there is a correlation, it's probably not going to be antibody-mediated, think it would be more some other kind of non-B-cell immune priming It's because you already got the government mind control treatment the first time so there's no need to give you coronavirus as well.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:They're not going to stop. hmm so it seems as though Corbyn's politics were solely responsible for antisemitism in the Labour party because Corbyn's politics were solely responsible for antisemitism in the Labour party because Corbyn's politics were solely responsible for antisemitism in the Labour party? seems logical and well evidenced, I'm convinced also I thought starmer called for unity, this seems like some sort of hard-left sectarian factionalism to me e: ok he really is a complete hack and/or moron, this is one of the positive reviews for his book from his bio quote:‘For more than a decade, David Hirsh has campaigned courageously against the all-too prevalent demonisation of Israel as the one nationalism in the world that must not only be criticised but ruled altogether illegitimate. This intellectual disgrace arouses not only his indignation but his commitment to gather evidence and to reason about it with care. What he asks of his readers is an equal commitment to plumb how it has happened that, in a world full of criminality and massacre, it is obsessed with the fundamental wrongheadedness of one and only national movement: Zionism.’ — Todd Gitlin, Professor of Journalism and Sociology, Columbia University, USA XMNN fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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