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Bleusilences posted:They (I think it been tried in Brasil and France) keep trying to test for HCQ but each time they have to stop because their patients start dying of heart attacks.
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Bleusilences posted:They (I think it been tried in Brasil and France) keep trying to test for HCQ but each time they have to stop because their patients start dying of heart attacks.
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Belgium now has the worst per-capita covid death rate in the world, worse than Spain’s. Is there anything about Belgium’s response that’s made it worse than other European countries, or is it likely just a result of being a small, dense country?
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Apr 16, 2020 15:02
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I said it earlier in the thread but trump pushing HCQ keeps reminding me of Alain(the natural news/grifter guy) in the movie Contagion.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:03
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think that was for chloroquine which is different than HCQ in france it was hcq https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-france-heart-cardiac-1496810 mayo clinic also warned hcq can cause cardiac issues quote:Hydroxychloroquine, Mayo Clinic said, blocks one of the channels that controls the heart's electrical recharging systems. "This interference increases the possibility that the heart's rhythm could degenerate into dangerous erratic heart beats, resulting ultimately in sudden cardiac death." so yeah, it's bad
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Apr 16, 2020 15:04
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Sucrose posted:Belgium now has the worst per-capita covid death rate in the world, worse than Spain’s. its a matter of reporting, not actually deaths. people in china/italy/USA are just dying at home of "pneumonia" and not being counted
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Apr 16, 2020 15:08
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Rutibex posted:its a matter of reporting, not actually deaths. people in china/italy/USA are just dying at home of "pneumonia" and not being counted Yeah, from what I could figure yesterday, using data up to 2 weeks old, we're over double the pneumonia deaths expected by this time of year. That's excluding the covid-19 related ones. The dumbest way this could end up would be idiots saying "What's the big deal? We noticed nobody was dying, ended the shutdown and still only 50k died. Geez stuff like pneumonia killed 20 times that in 2020, get a clue!" Edit: even worse, maybe they find a way to blame the deaths on the shutdown. Like using extreme old person logic that all those people died of pneumonia because they didn't get enough fresh air because of quarantine. wilderthanmild fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Apr 16, 2020 15:20
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Rutibex posted:i'm honestly surprised ISIS or someone isn't going whole hog on the internet infrastructure. this would be the perfect time to strike They're doing ok exploding civilians but I don't think they're going to ram a truck in a transatlantic connection and cut europe's porn supply.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:35
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Rutibex posted:i'm honestly surprised ISIS or someone isn't going whole hog on the internet infrastructure. this would be the perfect time to strike I think the internet is too critical to their own recruitment and indoctrination needs.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:37
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coronavirus posted:Not all these doctors / scientists / boards that are trying to do studies asap are trump chuds. How do you know, have they all published their chud status already
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Apr 16, 2020 15:43
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:This photo is amazing I really wanna know how many of those protesters are on disability/SS and don't actually have jobs to go to.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:43
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coronavirus posted:You do realize that Trump didn't make up HCQ himself right? He just heard about it from other countries first. There is about 100 things that Trump has royally hosed up about this pandemic. Mentioning how he saw an article on daily mail or whatever about miracle drug being tested is really low on the list. What was the control?
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That Works posted:What was the control? If I recall the control group was a group of covid-19 positive people receiving care but not HCQ.
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coronavirus posted:You do realize that Trump didn't make up HCQ himself right? True. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html quote:Mr. Trump first expressed interest in hydroxychloroquine a few weeks ago, telling associates that Mr. Ellison, a billionaire and a founder of Oracle, had discussed it with him. At the time, Dr. Mehmet Oz, the host of television’s “The Doctor Oz Show,” was in touch with Mr. Trump’s advisers about expediting approval to use the drug for the coronavirus. coronavirus posted:But early studies from France and China have shown that HCQ greatly improves typical outcomes versus the control. False. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060699v1.full.pdf https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/health/new-french-study-hydroxychloroquine/index.html quote:In the French study, doctors looked back at medical records for 181 patients with Covid-19 who had pneumonia and required supplemental oxygen. About half had taken hydroxychloroquine within 48 hours of being admitted to the hospital, and the other half had not. The doctors followed the patients and found there was no statistically significant difference in the death rates of the two groups, or their chances of being admitted to the intensive care unit. The study also raised important safety concerns about hydroxychloroquine. In the study, eight patients who took the drug developed abnormal heart rhythms and had to stop taking it. https://scienceintegritydigest.com/2020/03/30/an-observational-study-without-a-control-group/#more-1164 quote:The paper does tell us a bit about how sick the patients were at the start of the trial.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:This photo is amazing I thought essential services were still running in Ohio? Why is there so much trash piled up on the sidewalk?
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popewiles posted:I think the internet is too critical to their own recruitment and indoctrination needs. More like watching porn and downloading pirated movies and games.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think that was for chloroquine which is different than HCQ Ah poo poo, I will be more careful in the future about this.
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That Works posted:good points Why are real scientists / doctors in USA/Canada doing trials right now on HCQ if it shows no promise and we've already studied it enough? edit: Also lol one of your links https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-france-heart-cardiac-1496810 I don't think you really read what they said and not the sexy headline. They stopped treating one patient because they were showing heart problems. They didn't stop the trial altogether. coronavirus fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:SBA has 4 different economic injury disaster loan advances. The loan will not have to be repaid. looks like the money printer ran out of ink  
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coronavirus posted:Why are real scientists / doctors in USA/Canada doing trials right now on HCQ if it shows no promise and we've already studied it enough? Studies need to be repeated a bunch a time in case of outliers. Especially when it's made on small sample size.
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Bleusilences posted:Studies need to be repeated a bunch a time in case of outliers. Especially when it's made on small sample size. Exactly. Its way too early to tell if it will end up being a good treatment. But there is enough there to be worth doing trials. HCQ is a real medicine which has some promise (potentially) for treatment. It is not a facebook fwd of "put onions in your socks to cure your flu" or "if i drink enough cold juices it will cure my pancreatic cancer fwd fwd stevejobs".
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coronavirus posted:Why are real scientists / doctors in USA/Canada doing trials right now on HCQ if it shows no promise and we've already studied it enough? Quote where I said they stopped the trial. I'll wait. Also I didn't even include a link to a newsweek article, jfc get your poo poo together. No one said it "shows no promise". Clinical trials initiated are still ongoing. Some have already finished and are being written up. Some have cancelled early (Brazil and Sweden studies notable here) due to concerns over side effects. Post hoc analyses like the Mahevas pre-print I linked have indicated that there is no correlation of usage vs improved survival. The only group that has claimed improved survival so far (Raoult) has been picked apart by multiple groups for nearly a month.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:This photo is amazing I am starting to wonder if that Republican congress member wasn't onto something with just letting the virus sweep over the country. Those that are smart enough to stay inside will emerge into a world that has less morons.
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That Works posted:Quote where I said they stopped the trial. I'll wait. More anecdotally: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3918863&userid=53835#post503852348 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3918863&userid=53835#post503897214 From a despairing Goon medical resident the Plaquenil does gently caress all, or if it does something the improvement is marginal at best.
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I said come in! posted:I am starting to wonder if that Republican congress member wasn't onto something with just letting the virus sweep over the country. Those that are smart enough to stay inside will emerge into a world that has less morons. killing ur voting base to own the libs
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coronavirus posted:Why are real scientists / doctors in USA/Canada doing trials right now on HCQ if it shows no promise and we've already studied it enough? hopefully to get trumo to STFU about it.
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The_Franz posted:killing ur voting base to own the libs There's that old joke about how if Obama publicly announced oxygen was good then conservatives would stop breathing, and I think this is pretty close to an irl example of that. edit so not just a driveby politicky post: Went to the store this morning and toilet paper has started reappearing on shelves, so maybe people have finally cut that weird poo poo out
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Might be interesting... death rates in the Netherlands for 2020 compared to previous years.
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That Works posted:Mr. Giuliani has urged Mr. Trump to embrace the drug, based in part on the advice of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a self-described simple country doctor who has become a hit on conservative media after administering a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and zinc sulfate. Now, ah may be just a simple country doctor
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With states quickly burning through all of their money, are we looking at a total shutdown of the United States government pretty soon here?
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Money isn’t real Shutdown of government is to suppress workers not actually save money which isn’t real Workers maybe real. Maybe not. Who can say
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schmug posted:hopefully to get trumo to STFU about it. Trump is not going to shut up about this. He has put all of his eggs in one basket on dealing with this virus. 100% evidence that this will not work, but he has surrounded himself with only yes men that will tell him what he wants to hear.
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Remember the threat of bankruptcy only works if they stay forever at the edge of it. They can never actually do it because it will reveal that it wasn’t really a thing in the first place
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I said come in! posted:With states quickly burning through all of their money, are we looking at a total shutdown of the United States government pretty soon here? I mean, couldn't we effectively keep doling out these monthly checks if, since everything is pretty much paralyzed, we diverted some funding from the militahahaha I can't even finish
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Some faith restored in people afterall. Its easy to look at these protests and think people are completely losing their minds.
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The_Franz posted:killing ur voting base to own the libs its one way to 'fix' the social security budget
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Son of Rodney posted:Burt please probe trump bux chat itt and open another thread or something it's been nonstop for like 10 pages now. We're going to use part of the $3400 to replace the shower stall in the master bath. I'm using a little on a new chain and sprocket set for my Triumph and going up a couple teeth on the rear so I can out accelerate rival motorcycle gangs when we finally all go MadMax. Might regear my Jeep to 4:88s because I've got a guy that will do it with my parts for $150 which is a great price. You should go to a doctor and see if they have some meds you can get to improve your demeanor. Maybe a nice ssri cocktail.
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Ok so. There's been a lot of staticians recently looking at things and saying the corona isn't going away without a vaccine, so basically places like south korea, and maaybe china depending on how much they hosed with numbers are going to just go into full gently caress mode as soon as they disassemble any of their restrictions. So basically any place that lifts restrictions in the next two to three years is going to just be just as hosed as anywhere else because the virus isn't going away. It's kind of depressing, but I can't really see a fault in what they're proposing.
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Nurge posted:Ok so. There's been a lot of staticians recently looking at things and saying the corona isn't going away without a vaccine, so basically places like south korea, and maaybe china depending on how much they hosed with numbers are going to just go into full gently caress mode as soon as they disassemble any of their restrictions. So basically any place that lifts restrictions in the next two to three years is going to just be just as hosed as anywhere else because the virus isn't going away. It's kind of depressing, but I can't really see a fault in what they're proposing. Ok. Well good thing I got a plan. So we infect Kate Upton and I with the disease. If we survive we bang and make babies that can resist the disease as nature intended The best part of the plan is if I don’t survive!
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