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goddamnedtwisto posted:Wasn't there also something about a particular strain, explaining the apparent difference in death rates between former East and West Germany? There's a difference in rates between the two sides?
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Failed Imagineer posted:If there is a correlation, it's probably not going to be antibody-mediated, think it would be more some other kind of non-B-cell immune priming Yeah I figure it's a side-effect of the BCG not a direct effect. Maybe it causes inhibition of the added-lime protein.
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Tesseraction posted:There's a difference in rates between the two sides? Someone mentioned it, but I've no way of checking.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I saw that this dude's apparently a proper academic and thought he might have written something coherent and thought-provoking that I could engage with, even though I might not agree with his premises. lol most academics are exactly as dumb, short-sighted and brainwashed as the genpop often moreso, actually, since they believe their own bullshit about being a big brain smarty pants Qwertycoatl posted:Sorry, you wandered into a horror movie by mistake Yes, they did say that they went to a university in the UK
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Someone mentioned it, but I've no way of checking. Russia also is reporting basically gently caress-all fatalities which is either bullshit or interesting since the Soviets mandated the vaccine. Anyway I am going to loudly bellow that BCG vaccinated me against covid to piss off both antivaxxers and anyone who cares about the scientific method.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1 is a pre-print of a paper exploring the possibility - I'll leave it to wiser posters to point out any glaring errors in it.
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Tesseraction posted:Russia also is reporting basically gently caress-all fatalities which is either bullshit or interesting since the Soviets mandated the vaccine. Russia has had a surge of pneumonia cases that are definitely NOT - I repeat - NOT COVID-19 related.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Someone mentioned it, but I've no way of checking. It did spread later/more slowly in East Germany, but then the East is still poorer than the West, and has fewer large international businesses based there. Given that returning holidaymakers and business travellers were responsible for a lot of the early spread of the virus, that could be a big factor already. Plus the East is more rural and more sparsely populated. Could be that BCG rates have had an effect there, but it may well not be the biggest one.
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big scary monsters posted:It did spread later/more slowly in East Germany, but then the East is still poorer than the West, and has fewer large international businesses based there. Given that returning holidaymakers and business travellers were responsible for a lot of the early spread of the virus, that could be a big factor already. Plus the East is more rural and more sparsely populated. Could be that BCG rates have had an effect there, but it may well not be the biggest one. Indeed, and in the comments to the paper I posted a few have mentioned things like lockdowns being earlier/better observed in countries with mandatory vaccination in general being another possible confounding factor. Without a plausible mechanism it's impossible to pick much signal out of the noise, but it has to be worth investigating.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Indeed, and in the comments to the paper I posted a few have mentioned things like lockdowns being earlier/better observed in countries with mandatory vaccination in general being another possible confounding factor. Without a plausible mechanism it's impossible to pick much signal out of the noise, but it has to be worth investigating. A more robust vaccination program being a proxy for a generally better prepared and set up set of healthcare institutions wouldn't be totally out of left field.
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Tarnop posted:Lol my MP makes openly xenophobic comments, is now the shadow immigration minister, and my Starmer-nominating CLP treats her like she's the second coming. we get a tory government anyway, might as well try to flex some actual muscle and gently caress with the party that claims to represent your values. if you withdraw your vote and you get a tory MP well, that's the "find out" part of "gently caress around and find out"
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Wonder if the Ireland Simpsons Fans (GB) party would gain any traction. Could even name it the Ireland Simpsons Tans.
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Anyone got a good response to this? Assorted FB friends: "Why aren't the private companies that own the care homes taking responsibility for providing PPE and taking the flack?" "Greek chorus"*: Good question, why aren't people asking it? I don't have an answer. My instinct is that there isn't any PPE to buy here? But I don't know. (* reference to classical greek plays - benefits of a classical education).
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone got a good response to this?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone got a good response to this? A government has much more collective bargaining power than any private company. For an international emergency, they should be stepping up. Of course, this really goes back to Cameron's Big Society and the privatisation of the care sector making them much less capable of dealing with stuff like this in any sort of unified manner.
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Bloodly posted:Wait. Golden piano repairman? She has a massive golden piano that she gave a speech in front of.
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StarkingBarfish posted:Happy to report a new visitor to the Barfish Breakfast Birdtable: haven't seen a jay in the wild before
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CGI Stardust posted:really good photos I feel like I see them all the time, maybe they have a weird distribution or something? like I literally just looked up and saw one (I'm currently in the woods) e: excuse the very bad picture, it kept flying hither and thither  E2: there are two of them either fighting or flirting now XMNN fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone got a good response to this? You could agree that yeah, privatising health and social care is bad, and these private companies often don't meet their responsibilities. And it's ultimately the state's responsibility to protect people, especially when their bet on the private sector is what put people in this situation Then you could point out that there's a massive shortage of the stuff, to the point where even NHS workers treating the most severe cases don't have what they need, and the government is slyly redefining the definition of what they need so they can magic the shortage away. It's really up to the government to resource supplies, and make sure they get distributed as best they can be, because the government is meant to be coordinating this response and that involves very large organisations and groups of people requiring equipment, and individual care homes can't rely on ~the market~ making sure everyone gets what they need also the government completely failed to stock up on supplies even after running a frickin pandemic simulation exercise a few years ago that said we were short, and they don't seem particularly bothered about jumping on sources of supplies when they arise, so no this is definitely a systemic problem if you just want a short answer you could ask them how their own PPE supplies are doing - got yourself a big stack of masks, gloves, antiseptic, hand sanitiser etc? Oh you don't, how irresponsible, maybe you should buy some then? Oh it's hard to get hold of? Maybe the government should running some kind of national effort to produce and distribute supplies in a time of crisis which is their job??
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StarkingBarfish posted:Happy to report a new visitor to the Barfish Breakfast Birdtable: it looks so  about finding that bird fooda big birb
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CGI Stardust posted:really good photos I'm used to seeing them from when I was living in Switzerland- plenty of hazelnut trees for them to pillage. This is the first one I've seen in the UK though.
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"Cross me, and I'll do you a Diana."
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Birdposting, I just met the most incredibly bourgeois duck
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peanut- posted:Birdposting, I just met the most incredibly bourgeois duck Those are literally called mandarin ducks, yes.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/1149200550845702144 I've gone to the conclusion that centrists liberals are the true evil of the world. At least fascists are angry about something, however misguided their beliefs and however horrifying their methods. People like this are just these soulless husks who don't seem to care about anything whatsoever beyond their own comfort and happiness, chasing popularity by saying and doing literally anything, seeing no problem and feeling no guilt in endangering other people with sabotage and lies then immediately crying about how it's someone else's fault with full and convincing crocodile tears. It's sociopathy as a political tool.
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peanut- posted:Birdposting, I just met the most incredibly bourgeois duck there's a couple of them that visit the pond near me later in the year they look like Pokémon there was a cormorant a few weeks ago 
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Brendan Rodgers posted:I was actually thinking of that new Jason Momoa show, See, where a virus left 2 million humans alive, all blind, and giving birth to blind children. Great show, only one season so far. Reminds me of a novel by José Saramago called "Blindness"
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Dead Goon posted:Reminds me of a novel by José Saramago called "Blindness" The 1904 HG Wells short story _In the Country if the Blind_ is probably; the first treatment. “Wikipedia” posted:The village doctor suggests that Nuñez's eyes be removed, claiming that they are diseased and are "greatly distended" and because of this "his brain is in a state of constant irritation and distraction." Nuñez reluctantly consents to the operation
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