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I'm actually really interested with what their going to do with Rufus going forward. Like in the OG he rolls in all ominous and gives a speech about abandoning his daddy's methods and ruling through fear but like... He doesn't. He is in fact substantially less evil then his dad if only because by the time he shows up Sephiroth is firmly the baddy and the game can't give him screen time to do poo poo destroy like an 8th of the worlds largest city in the world just to kill a 5 man terrorist cell and also their temp. Like I think the meanest he gets is trying to steal Cid's plane that one time and the attempted execution of Tifa and Barret but like, they were kinda dedicated to the destruction of his ...nation? and conducted terrorist actions to that effect. It's not particularly unreasonable. Beyond that he's just throwing everything against Sephiroth, the missile only fails because Meteor is slightly bullshit and the Sister Ray is actually integral to victory. Thats more effective action then the Planet itself has managed by that point. Now in the Remake Daddy Shinra was eviler then ever, dude did 3 9/11's in a 3 days. Rufus didn't even bother with a speech, he cut straight to channeling raw sexual energy and also Gun Kata at a random twink on the roof and toured his HQ wandering why nobody else has noticed it's phenomenally haunted. Now there's an uncertain future and maybe a war with Wutai rolling up, and supposedly a terrorist organization that is more then 5 people and their temp to contend with. His wet works division have noticed they are the baddies in a way that finally bothers them. A stupid puppy that is also a genuine rogue SOLDIER first class is wandering around looking for his deeply troubled best friend and Roche could be loving his motorcycle in the lobby at any moment. These are interesting days at Shinra, and I want to know more.
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Caidin posted:I'm actually really interested with what their going to do with Rufus going forward. Like in the OG he rolls in all ominous and gives a speech about abandoning his daddy's methods and ruling through fear but like... He doesn't. He is in fact substantially less evil then his dad if only because by the time he shows up Sephiroth is firmly the baddy and the game can't give him screen time to do poo poo destroy like an 8th of the worlds largest city in the world just to kill a 5 man terrorist cell and also their temp. I love how you summed all this up and I love you. Also Elena being brought in while the turks are having a moral crisis is endlessly intriguing.
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Y'know, it never made a ton of sense just *why* Cloud was so insistent on fighting Rufus one on one, at least in the original game. "Barret, go! This is the real battle for the planet!" Okay, so kill Rufus with your army of a terrorist, a local florist and a labratdog. At least here it was fairly clear that if Cloud didn't do it this way, the ghosts would quickly be there to go "Oh yes you are"
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Fate has been destroyed, which means that for once an episodic game has the possibility of not being massively delayed, cancelled, or hugely disappointing and instead actually deliver on the promise of the first game.
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Apr 17, 2020 03:15
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Chadley in particular raises some questions for me as to exactly how much more advanced the tech is in FF7R compared to FF7. Cell phones, cool, got it, kinda existed in the first game anyway with PHS. A skyscraper-sized lab in the Shinra Building that has gonzo steampunk tech, sure, no problem, that was all essentially in the original and it's just been suped up. A loving rogue AI now free to wander the Planet??? e: my bad guys guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Caidin posted:I'm actually really interested with what their going to do with Rufus going forward. Like in the OG he rolls in all ominous and gives a speech about abandoning his daddy's methods and ruling through fear but like... He doesn't. He is in fact substantially less evil then his dad if only because by the time he shows up Sephiroth is firmly the baddy and the game can't give him screen time to do poo poo destroy like an 8th of the worlds largest city in the world just to kill a 5 man terrorist cell and also their temp. The biggest sin this game made was removing the bit where Rufus gives the gang the once over and they all announce themselves. I know they moved it to heidegger meeting aerith/red/barret but “lab rat dog” was a miss compared to letting rufus’s VA chew up the original “what a crew” line complete with hair flip.
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DeathChicken posted:Y'know, it never made a ton of sense just *why* Cloud was so insistent on fighting Rufus one on one, at least in the original game. "Barret, go! This is the real battle for the planet!" Okay, so kill Rufus with your army of a terrorist, a local florist and a labratdog. At least here it was fairly clear that if Cloud didn't do it this way, the ghosts would quickly be there to go "Oh yes you are" What if they genuinely didn't want to fight? Would the ghosts smash them together like action figures for a minute and then throw Rufus into a helicopter, then maybe have to pilot it away themselves?
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guts and bolts posted:Chadley in particular raises some questions for me as to exactly how much more advanced the tech is in FF7R compared to FF7. Cell phones, cool, got it, kinda existed in the first game anyway with PHS. A skyscraper-sized lab in the Shinra Building that has gonzo steampunk tech, sure, no problem, that was all essentially in the original and it's just been suped up. A loving rogue AI now free to wander the Planet??? Gahhhhhh I knew I shoulda finished his missions.
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guts and bolts posted:Cell phones, cool, got it, kinda existed in the first game anyway with PHS. 
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Pollyanna posted:Gahhhhhh I knew I shoulda finished his missions. I did all 20 of the battle intels and never found out he was a bot, I mean I wondered but.. How do you find that out?
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Hey speaking of Chadley, I got a Chocobo chick summon for pre-ordering the game. Is that the same as the Fat Chocobo summon? If not, I never got that pre-order bonus while playing the game I don't think.
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Caidin posted:I did all 20 of the battle intels and never found out he was a bot, I mean I wondered but.. How do you find that out? Defeat Pride & Joy Prototype (my read on it is that this is the Proud Clod) to get the Chadley reveal. Rageaholic posted:Hey speaking of Chadley, I got a Chocobo chick summon for pre-ordering the game. Is that the same as the Fat Chocobo summon? If not, I never got that pre-order bonus while playing the game I don't think. Chocobo Chick and Fat Chocobo are very different. To be quite honest, there are only two summons that strike me as super worth a poo poo - Bahamut and Carbuncle - and one of them was a pre-order bonus. You have to claim them from the System menu under "DLC" and it'll add the materia to your inventory. That said, until you get Bahamut just use whomever you like, it's all gravy, unless you also have Carbuncle, in which case use that. guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Harrow posted:I could see portions of the Kalm flashback coming up throughout part 2 with growing inconsistencies, leading up to a meeting with Zack at the end and Cloud's total mental break, or something like that. I doubt they'll just sit you down and do the whole "here's what went down at Nibelheim" thing all at once. I could see a flashback of Cloud and Sephiroth as SOLDIERs together in Cloud's memory as a beginning-of-the-game tutorial before flashing back to the present, and then snippets of it interspersed throughout. I could see this too. I just don’t see kalm being a major area in the remake nor the nibelheim flashback happening anywhere near the same way. It either needs to be teased out over the course of the game or used to gap the weak second half. Nibelheim is also interesting and deserves a lot more exploration than what we got in the first game. It’s the only place where shinra has even bothered to try to hide the fact that it destroyed a village and that alone makes it unique and worth taking a deeper look at. Since the first remake already gave us the gist of the flashback that happens at kalm and has already established sephiroth as the big bad I don’t see us being in the flashback for very long in the remake if at all. Probably just long enough to establish what the town looked like before it got rebuilt and honestly that would be more interesting to do in a childhood tifa/cloud segment where you get to see both of them interact with their parents/neighbors/martial art instructors. Fill it with memorable characters and then have them all be absent on the revisit to really drive home the Potemkin village plot point the OG does a poor job of explaining.
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guts and bolts posted:Chocobo Chick and Fat Chocobo are very different. To be quite honest, there are only two summons that strike me as super worth a poo poo - Bahamut and Carbuncle - and one of them was a pre-order bonus. You have to claim them from the System menu under "DLC" and it'll add the materia to your inventory. That said, until you get Bahamut just use whomever you like, it's all gravy, unless you also have Carbuncle, in which case use that. How do you get Bahamut? I used Ifrit pretty much the whole game, even when he probably wasn't very effective haha. I also had Shiva and Fat Chocobo but I think I used Fat Chocobo once and didn't use Shiva at all.
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Deflated Pride and Joy. drat that felt good. The Pride and Joy fight is waaaaay easier than Bahamut because he A) doesn’t have Megaflare which is an instant kill so you drat well better have reprieve, and B) doesn’t summon another thing to fight with him. It was touch and go during the Bahamut fight for a moment, Tifa ran out of MP so she couldn’t protect Cloud from Astral Strikes up the rear end, but Aerith did her job as heal/revive bot and I snuck through. Now I have the ultimate accessory and it’s making trash fights a breeze. I have chapters 16,17,18 to go and then I have Platinum and game finished. drat this was a really good game.
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guts and bolts posted:Chadley in particular raises some questions for me as to exactly how much more advanced the tech is in FF7R compared to FF7. Cell phones, cool, got it, kinda existed in the first game anyway with PHS. A skyscraper-sized lab in the Shinra Building that has gonzo steampunk tech, sure, no problem, that was all essentially in the original and it's just been suped up. A loving rogue AI now free to wander the Planet??? It's a really weird aesthetic where the Upper Plate civilian areas look like they could have come from the 1920's, the slums have a bunch of robot arms and missile parts laying around and Shinra HQ is the setting of a Shadowrun mission.
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Rageaholic posted:Ahh, okay. I don't think I ever saw that menu so that's why I didn't get it. Bahamut is locked behind completing all of Chadley's Battle Intel missions - the first 19, anyway - and then he'll open up the fight for you. The most time-consuming one is probably mastering all Magic materia, but it isn't that bad with the 3x AP boost and an AP Up linked to Revival (which is almost assuredly the last one you'll need). You do not need to play on Hard to fight him. The Black Stones posted:Deflated Pride and Joy. drat that felt good. The Pride and Joy fight is waaaaay easier than Bahamut because he A) doesn't have Megaflare which is an instant kill so you drat well better have reprieve, and B) doesn't summon another thing to fight with him. For the Bahamut fight pre-P&J, I breezed through by doing the same thing I did on Bahamut 1 - I burned the gently caress out of him. With Cloud, you can safely Manawall to survive Megaflare no problem as long as you have 5.5k+ HP, and you can give the girls Revival Earrings if you don't think you can manage to keep Manawall up on all 3 party members. Save your Limits for when Ifrit shows up - you'll probably only have one, but wahey - and blow him up immediately. If you survive Megaflare he's trivially easy. edit: for the sake of trying to be helpful, this is my default setup when beating up Hard stuff. Cloud Buster Sword (Elemental-[weakness of whatever you need to kill] // HP Up // MP Up // First Strike // Parry or Enemy Skill) Chain Bangle (Healing // Revival // Barrier // Steadfast Block) Transference Module Tifa Sonic Strikers (Elemental-[weakness] // HP Up x2 // MP Up // First Strike) Cog Bangle (Healing // Revival // Refocus) Champion Belt Aerith Reinforced Staff (Magnify-Healing // HP Up x2 // Magic Up x2) Rune Armlet (MP Up x2 // Revival) Healing Carcanet Everyone will have tons of health and MP, so you're free to be a little not great at the action game part of FF7R and still win. Tifa should Refocus if you think you can get a stagger around the time she's ready to Limit, because R&F into Omnistrike into three True Strikes will jack the percentage up to like 400% in tandem with Aerith's Ray of Judgment. Cloud murders everything with Triple Slash or Blade Burst for groups, or Braver spam for single targets. Rinse and repeat until you get your trophy. If you like you can exchange Tifa for Barret, which is actually maybe better? Hard to say. I'd drop Elemental combo and just load him up with various elemental magic, MP Up, and Healing/Revival. Probably drop Refocus and give him Provoke or something. Barret is underrated as gently caress in this game, he is extremely good. After you get the Gotterdammerung, you can just lolimit your way through anything you haven't done yet. It trivializes the game. I've had the Plat for a few days now, but I'm missing 2 Enemy Intel - Ifrit and Cactuar. Ifrit only spawns during the Bahamut 2 battle and Cactuar is a random summon during Fat Chocobo if I'm not mistaken, unless there's somewhere else to find him. I also only have 2/3 for the "Chapter 14 Outcomes" checklist item in the Play Log, but I don't actually know what the gently caress that means. I'll probably do the last few things I need to do, then do a final "perfect" run on Normal where I make all the choices I want to make and do all the sidequests I want to do. I'm not sure how much the Tifa/Aerith dichotomy will matter for future installments, assuming it matters at all; I think in this game it just affects the cutscene when you leave Elmyra's House in Sector 5 before going about trying to climb the plate? Unless maybe that's the "Chapter 14 Outcomes" thing, who you get in that cutscene, but does that mean there's a third option for you to get? Is it Jessie? I haven't used a guide yet but I have no idea what that last outcome is supposed to be. guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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guts and bolts posted:I'm not sure how much the Tifa/Aerith dichotomy will matter for future installments, assuming it matters at all; I think in this game it just affects the cutscene when you leave Elmyra's House in Sector 5 before going about trying to climb the plate? What happens if you choose Tifa?
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Dropping in to say I beat the game and I never finished OG FF7 so man do I have a few questions Like a lot. The entire end was basically me clapping at flashing lights and going 'ooooh that's cool!! ...What does it mean though??? Huh???'
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I don't wanna say it but I get the vibe whichever one you're showing more affection for is the one that gets sacrificed later on. 
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Was this posted, it's a good read: https://square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-story-sephiroth
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Flopsy posted:I don't wanna say it but I get the vibe whichever one you're showing more affection for is the one that gets sacrificed later on. It occurred to me, but I don't see them making a whole game with that big a variable included, this isn't Telltale.
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Flopsy posted:I don't wanna say it but I get the vibe whichever one you're showing more affection for is the one that gets sacrificed later on. DELETE THIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Dropping in to say I beat the game and I never finished OG FF7 so man do I have a few questions What are the questions?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Dropping in to say I beat the game and I never finished OG FF7 so man do I have a few questions It means they're freeing themselves up not to religiously stick to the script and a lot of hardcore fanboys are full of rage. Also it seems like a lot of characters are aware of the previous run of the game and may behave differently this time around including possibly Rufus. Also Roche is new and a very rowdy boy.
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The most important thing to realize about the time ghosts (that you probably wouldn't understand without having played the original) is that they always pop up to make sure that things play out more like the original did. So they stop you from saving characters who are fated to die, save characters who are fated to live, prevent characters from spoiling future plot twists in a way that might change how the characters act, etc. So killing the time ghosts means breaking free from the shadow of the original game.
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Asema posted:Was this posted, it's a good read: Man I wished they'd talked more about why they chose the story beats that they did. But I get why they changed how Sephiroth was introduced. Although I think the whole Jaws take on it was better.
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Kitase's reference to Jaws then his admission that Sephiroth is essentially another cultural artifact is pretty depressing, actually. It's like....chaser...then shot.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Dropping in to say I beat the game and I never finished OG FF7 so man do I have a few questions Sephiroth is the biggest badass of SOLDIER, an elite paramilitary division controlled by the Shinra Electric Power Company. He killed Cloud and Tifa's hometown as a result of a mental break when he discovered that his "mother" is the alien abomination Jenova (her cells were used to create him and are why he's such a turbo badass), and then Cloud killed him. It did not, apparently, stick. As such he spends a good portion of the game loving with our Good Boy. In the original game he murders Aerith to prevent her from stopping his plan, which is to use the Black Materia to summon a meteor and wipe out all life on the Planet; Cloud and friends kill him for good at the end of that game. Cloud has spent the whole game lying to everybody because he did not make it in to SOLDIER when he applied. He killed Sephiroth while still a generic grunt (the guys with the three-eyed helmets) which I guess makes him even more of a badass. As a result, Hojo decided to do the SOLDIER-enhancement procedure (bath in mako and Jenova infusion) on Cloud, which is why Cloud can both be full of poo poo about being SOLDIER First Class and also have all the powers of a SOLDIER First Class. His buddy Zack Fair busted him out of confinement and tried to escape to Midgar with Cloud in tow, but the Turks and the rest of Shinra's hunting party found them and killed Zack. Cloud has a dissociative break wherein he quasi-assumes Zack's identity and reforges himself into the ideal of who he wishes he had become, instead of the loser he is. This is not great for his mental state. The ending of FF7R features Sephiroth, who seems to possess knowledge of Destiny (that he will kill Aerith, and then Cloud will permanently kill him), going out of the way to goad the party into defying Destiny by killing the Whispers, who diegetically represent the will of the Planet to preserve a fate in which hey, yeah, some bad poo poo happens, but at least Sephiroth gets got. Aerith, who also seems to possess some knowledge of what Destiny holds, decides to co-opt Sephiroth's plan by going along with it and destroying the Whisper Harbinger in an effort to make an even better version of FF7's events, where maybe everyone lives and gets ice cream at the end or something. Until you destroy them, the Whispers have been acting to preserve Destiny, which is actually just the canon events of the original FF7. They seem to "switch sides" because they have no side - they just want to prevent anything from changing. So they can injure Jessie in one chapter to assure that Cloud goes on the second bombing mission, and then save Aerith from a dangerous fall from the second story of the church in another so that she makes it far enough to get killed by Sephiroth. This is why the Whispers interfere with stuff like the plate drop (they stop Tifa from defusing it) and Barret's death (he survives the events of the original game). By destroying them, several major occurrences from the original have been changed or outright undone - Zack is the black-haired guy with the Buster Sword in the ending who apparently survived his brush with the Shinra killsquad, and Biggs (who canonically died) is seen alive and recuperating in what I assume is Sector 5. That's the quick version.
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Finally finished the game and to me it looked like Sephiroth had absorbed the whispers or has integrated with them as due to his whole being in the lifestream for several years, so they're not gone and he still controls capital-d Destiny to some point It's also not clear if they see the entire image of the future or if they're merely very brief fragments Either way, game is good and completely ridiculous, gently caress it, I'm here for Nomura's Wild Ride
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Man the music during Tifa and Aerith's breakout in Corneo Manor is such a banger. I need this soundtrack to be out yeaterday.
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MonsterEnvy posted:What are the questions? I get that the watchmen are a new thing but like... did Zack not die? What was the point of fighting the fate ghost because I'm not sure if it did anything- hell I don't even know what the gently caress the sephiroth fight was. Like were we fighting in a doomed timeline or what even was that outside of a excuse to blare one winged angel? I know a handful of things from the OG game through osmosis and a very rushed run of it that I never finished so everything that happened at Shinra Tower played out just strangely to me I guess. Like I felt like Cloud and the crew suddenly became way too strong out of nowhere and now I'm trying to imagine them dialing it back so Palmer can shoot them with a funny zappy gun and get hit by a truck. Is this actually a sequel/companion piece? I'm just kind of confused in general.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I get that the watchmen are a new thing but like... did Zack not die? What was the point of fighting the fate ghost because I'm not sure if it did anything- hell I don't even know what the gently caress the sephiroth fight was. Like were we fighting in a doomed timeline or what even was that outside of a excuse to blare one winged angel? Zack apparently didn't die. Killing the fate ghosts killed the canon FF7 so new poo poo will happen. Sephiroth fights you because he's a primadonna. Cloud was always an anime superhero. This is a companion piece/stealth sequel of a sort.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I get that the watchmen are a new thing but like... did Zack not die? What was the point of fighting the fate ghost because I'm not sure if it did anything- hell I don't even know what the gently caress the sephiroth fight was. Like were we fighting in a doomed timeline or what even was that outside of a excuse to blare one winged angel? I imagine everything with the Sephiroth fight was an illusion or vision.
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Fair enough, I wasn't sure if Zack like, got rid of those guys then walked a few more steps and got shot by Even More Guys or what due to the ghosts walking by Aerith in the ending.guts and bolts posted:-Helpful wall- This clears a lot up. Though if I can ask about the OG game, I heard that Holy is what stops meteor and that's the big final shot But also in this thread or maybe somewhere else read that Holy also Hates The Planet and wants to kill it so I'm super confused by why it's important to the crew if it's actually a bad thing. I know it's the materia Aerith has but that's about it.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Fair enough, I wasn't sure if Zack like, got rid of those guys then walked a few more steps and got shot by Even More Guys or what due to the ghosts walking by Aerith in the ending. Holy is a sort of failsafe to save the Planet at any cost, including all human life if that's what it takes. It sort of fails to activate properly when the meteor is about to hit, so Aerith/the Lifestream either force it to activate to save everyone or they just make a disc of soul energy and destroy the meteor in the ending. FF7's actual final ending is actually pretty lovely. guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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