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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I also want heated seats and a heated steering wheel. I'm jealous of our Canadian neighbors, those are becoming standard up there. I drove a CAD20K Elantra with heated seats and wheel. Heated steering wheels haven't really become common here in Sweden until very recently, but heated seats have been standard in even the most poverty spec Peugeots since at least the 90s and it seems weird Canada would be so much behind on that with the climates being fairly similar? I think standard equipment is up to the importing general agent, so maybe they've tried to keep prices down by skimping on that, I dunno?
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Applebees Appetizer posted:So more people buy manuals in Canada or something? I don't get the reasoning behind no manual base option in the US. VAG was pretty clear that even on their best selling manual models, the Golf GTI and R, manuals were still ~1% of sales. People on the internet talk a big game about how much they LOOOOVE manuals and it's so great and blah, blah, balh. They don't buy them though. Murgos fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Charles posted:In actual new car news, Mazda's next-gen 6 is rumored to be RWD / inline 6 The 626 returns!
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Applebees Appetizer posted:So more people buy manuals in Canada or something? I don't get the reasoning behind no manual base option in the US. We do, proportionally. The Quebecois in particular. I also noticed vs the Americans historically we were more likely to buy a well optioned small car as opposed to moving up a class. Frond fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Apr 17, 2020 15:30
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Also C-segment cars sell very well here. Mazda also does very well here, outperforming Nissan generally.
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Charles posted:Are there any 929s still extant? Has anybody done this to them? Yes they are around. No, not likely. My family was one of 7 people to buy a Mazda 929 Serenia. Frond fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Apr 17, 2020 15:34
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Yes and yes. And also 13B's. And 20B's. I fact I dont know of a RWD 929 with the stock motor in it here, it's always been a swap target A fun fact is that the mid-late 80s 929 [Luce] is the only car in history to come from the factory with a gas engine, a rotary, and a diesel option. IIRC the rotary swap is relatively straightforward because it shares a lot of it's underpinnings with the Cosmo.
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Murgos posted:VAG was pretty clear that even on their best selling manual models, the Golf GTI and R, manuals were still ~1% of sales. Maybe against their whole lineup of vehicles, but not within those models. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/24/vw-gti-golf-r-sportwagen-manual-transmissions/ In 2018, the Golf R and GTI had a 44% rate within the GTI and R sales. When looking at Subaru, 90% of WRXs are manuals and 78% of BRZs are manuals. So, it's clear that offering a manual with the right kind of vehicle will be successful.
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Murgos posted:VAG was pretty clear that even on their best selling manual models, the Golf GTI and R, manuals were still ~1% of sales. that number is incorrect. take rate on GTI and R combined is 44%. Nidhg00670000 posted:Heated steering wheels haven't really become common here in Sweden until very recently, but heated seats have been standard in even the most poverty spec Peugeots since at least the 90s and it seems weird Canada would be so much behind on that with the climates being fairly similar? I think standard equipment is up to the importing general agent, so maybe they've tried to keep prices down by skimping on that, I dunno? Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. I'm in the northern US. Canada tends to have much more heated stuff even on cheap cars. US tends to be at least one or two trim levels up.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:You'll be able to get a manual, only in the highest trim with a panoramic sunroof and a bunch of other poo poo you probably don't want. Nobody in the entire universe is buying a manual no frills sport sedan. It isn't 1993 (very few people did this in 1993 either FYI). I really wonder if anyone actually bought no frills versions of sporty cars. Years ago when I was shopping for my first S13 240SX every single one I looked at had all power options, air conditioning, and the majority of them had ABS. The '92 S13 coupe I have now is the same, and the MR2 I have is likewise fully loaded.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:
It really doesn't make sense to me because the North US climate is very similar to ours. PT6A posted:Yeah, no, I drove a Mustang through Canadian winters for a bunch of years, I'm done with that poo poo. My Toyota 86 is fine, but I suppose it's due to the Blizzaks and lack of power. Frond fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Frond posted:It really doesn't make sense to me because the North US climate is very similar to ours. The big reason why I didn't look at a Veloster N more seriously was the lack of heated seats. In Canada they get both heated seats AND a heated steering wheel.
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Frond posted:Nobody in the entire universe is buying a manual no frills sport sedan. It isn't 1993 (very few people did this in 1993 either FYI). Honda doesn't seem to have a problem selling them  I almost got a Civic Sport MT but I wanted a hatch, and would have probably bought a base Mazda3 MT
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Frond posted:It really doesn't make sense to me because the North US climate is very similar to ours. yeah but product planners are making the decisions to cover the whole USDM so frequently stuff like that gets axed because it helps cut costs. or they get you in to a higher margin trim level! win win!!
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Then add aircon, actual advanced safety features, power steering and maybe even all four disc brakes...... Air conditioning is a $1300 option on Wranglers. And >4 pixels on the screen appears to be a luxury option for Nissan.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:that number is incorrect. take rate on GTI and R combined is 44%.
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Apr 17, 2020 16:36
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Frond posted:My Toyota 86 is fine, but I suppose it's due to the Blizzaks and lack of power. Similar experience here. Made it through a couple Nebraska winters with a BRZ and a set of Michelin snow tires. Biggest problem is almost everyone seems to ignore such a small car in traffic, similar to being on a motorcycle.
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antimatt posted:Biggest problem is almost everyone seems to ignore such a small car in traffic, similar to being on a motorcycle. Pretty much what it's like to drive a Miata anywhere. I always compared it to riding a motorcycle in that regard.
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Murgos posted:In the US. Other sources indicate that maybe it's 5% of total production worldwide so I was mistaken but not by that much. in order for that to be accurate, at minimum Volkswagen would have to sell 177,000 GTIs and Rs globally and none of the ones sold in other markets would have manual transmissions. total golf nameplate sales are like 600,000 so i think that's unlikely.
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Frond posted:We do, proportionally. The Quebecois in particular. I also noticed vs the Americans historically we were more likely to buy a well optioned small car as opposed to moving up a class. it's weird, we have this split where half the market buys compact cars Euro style and half the market buys the biggest brodozer truck they can afford America style I personally love small cars and kinda want to go back to one, but every time I ride in a Mini or whatever and look out the window at a stoplight I'm eye level with the tires on an F-250
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:in order for that to be accurate, at minimum Volkswagen would have to sell 177,000 GTIs and Rs globally and none of the ones sold in other markets would have manual transmissions. total golf nameplate sales are like 600,000 so i think that's unlikely. Agreed. There is no way 5% let alone 1% is anywhere near accurate. Every time I go get service at the Dealership which is joint Mazda/VW there are a shitload of manual transmission GTI and Golf Rs available. poo poo right now, I can browse their inventory and manuals make up 41% of the inventory.
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There's absolutely no problem driving an RWD car in the winter. I learned to drive in a 300c during the winter with plenty of big snow dumps and never had a problem. If a 17 year old kid can handle a 5.7L Hemi through the rear wheels in a foot of snow, or after freezing rain, anyone can. Frankly, it's almost impossible to fishtail a car accidentally with modern driving aids, and you can't beat the fun of RWD on snow when you turn them off 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:in order for that to be accurate, at minimum Volkswagen would have to sell 177,000 GTIs and Rs globally and none of the ones sold in other markets would have manual transmissions. total golf nameplate sales are like 600,000 so i think that's unlikely. Actually, yeah? Pretty much. There was closer to 740,000 golfs sold world wide in 2018 (https://www.best-selling-cars.com/global/2018-full-year-international-global-top-selling-car-models/) . You have to realize that there are a LOT of golf models in Europe and China that aren't the R or the GTI. Although VW sold 140,000 golfs in China in 2018 (https://carsalesbase.com/china-volkswagen-golf-gti/) only maybe a thousand GTI's being sold a year there (https://carsalesbase.com/china-volkswagen-golf-gti/.) VW sells as many golfs in Europe in a month as they do in the US in a year. (https://carsalesbase.com/europe-volkswagen-golf/, https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/volkswagen-golf-sales-figures/) and at least in the UK that's less than 11% of sales combined between the GTI and R which is only around 7000 vehicles a year (https://uk.motor1.com/news/141108/volkswagen-golf-r-outsells-gti-uk/). Not sure why this is such an amazingly difficult concept, most people don't drive sticks and US sales are a small fraction of global sales so, 44% of a small piece of the pie is bup-kiss worldwide.
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Murgos posted:Actually, yeah? Pretty much. As am american boy I very much disliked the DSG in the GTI I was loaned circa 2013~ bup-kiss or no autos can bite me 
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Math You posted:There's absolutely no problem driving an RWD car in the winter. I learned to drive in a 300c during the winter with plenty of big snow dumps and never had a problem. There's no problem with it, it's just more work for very little benefit on public roads, where you shouldn't "having fun" with RWD anyway.
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I have one of each. Problem solved
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I'm sure we all know this as well, but AWD doesn't help you stop any faster. Winter tires should always be the first consideration if you want to comfortably drive in icy and snowy conditions. Or don't live where it snows lol it's SO EASY
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KakerMix posted:I'm sure we all know this as well, but AWD doesn't help you stop any faster. Winter tires should always be the first consideration if you want to comfortably drive in icy and snowy conditions. Absolutely. Anyone who doesn’t run winters is an idiot. But I can tell you, winters on AWD are still better than winters on a Mustang. It’s also worth remembering that better traction during acceleration can mask low-traction situations so you might feel more comfortable about your braking ability than you ought to do. It’s still winter driving, and AWD will not save you from any winter driving accidents, but it’s drat convenient. Once you’re moving it’s not terribly helpful but that’s where 90% of the winter driving problems in the Mustang came from (the other 10% being related to ground clearance) so on the whole I think it’s a good feature to have.
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PT6A posted:There's no problem with it, it's just more work for very little benefit on public roads, where you shouldn't "having fun" with RWD anyway. Oh please, going slightly sideways around a corner at 15 mph with no traffic is not a problem. Nobody is talking about being unsafe. Sorry you can’t find a way to have fun while driving on public roads.
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Ford is offering a $825 factory tune for the ranger that puts it in the range of 320hp and 355ft/lbs that made me curious and there are new 2020s listed at $19k. Shame the truck around that powertrain is such poo poo.
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I wonder how the pandemic is going to affect the new car market. I mean, negatively, of course, but which classes of new cars will be hit worst? Which’ll be more constrained in the next year or two, supply or demand? I have fantasies of deals on ND2s and fears of there never being an ND3 or NE. 
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Steely Dad posted:I wonder how the pandemic is going to affect the new car market. I mean, negatively, of course, but which classes of new cars will be hit worst? Which’ll be more constrained in the next year or two, supply or demand? Everything smaller than minivans will go away and minivans themselves will become the new subcompact car to allow for adequate social distancing.
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Murgos posted:Actually, yeah? Pretty much. Sorry but America is the only thing that matters.
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Powershift posted:Ford is offering a $825 factory tune for the ranger that puts it in the range of 320hp and 355ft/lbs Ford keeps on bringing over cars developed for third world countries and then acts surprised when they're poo poo
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Steely Dad posted:I wonder how the pandemic is going to affect the new car market. I mean, negatively, of course, but which classes of new cars will be hit worst? Which’ll be more constrained in the next year or two, supply or demand? I bet more people will buy cars to avoid public transit since it's filthy and spreads disease
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JK Fresco posted:I bet more people will buy cars to avoid public transit since it's filthy and spreads disease believe me ive already seen memes about the filthy poors using public transport to spread the rona
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JK Fresco posted:I bet more people will buy cars to avoid public transit since it's filthy and spreads disease Can you imagine a world where people that rely on mass transportation didn't have to use it to go to work when they were sick?
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fknlo posted:Can you imagine a world where people that rely on mass transportation didn't have to use it to go to work when they were sick? S lot if the people I see in public trandport don't work st all
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Proud Christian Mom posted:believe me ive already seen memes about the filthy poors using public transport to spread the rona RIP Italy
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JK Fresco posted:I bet more people will buy cars to avoid public transit since it's filthy and spreads disease My aunt purchased an Elantra because of the pandemic. She was dead set on the Accent hatch because she rented one a couple years ago and loved it, but was surprised that it was discontinued.
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