Vitamin P posted:

Question; why is the government announcing that it's another 3 weeks of lockdown while also announcing the furlough support will be going on for at least 3 months? Is there some public good to tricking some people into thinking 'it might only be another few weeks' while the Savvy Reader understands it'll be much longer?

Ms Adequate posted:

I think the lifting of the lockdown is intended/expected to be a progressive thing rather than ending all quarantine efforts all at once? So the additional three weeks is just to the beginning of that, but we can't expect everyone to be back to normal for much longer.

Payndz posted:

I once had a boss who'd done this at least twice - picking up all his old company's assets cheap and starting a new company in the same building while leaving creditors in the poo poo - to the point of having to hire effectively an office bouncer to protect him from pissed-off people demanding money. Right after I left he did it again, leaving me out of pocket on a bunch of freelance stuff I'd done that wasn't part of my regular work. About a year later I got maybe 10% of what I was owed. Thankfully I wasn't depending on it for food or rent.

Why anyone's allowed to do this more than once, and even on that one time without massive restrictions on their subsequent actions, is a mystery. But hey, that's capitalism!

Vitamin P posted:

Question; why is the government announcing that it's another 3 weeks of lockdown while also announcing the furlough support will be going on for at least 3 months? Is there some public good to tricking some people into thinking 'it might only be another few weeks' while the Savvy Reader understands it'll be much longer?

Guavanaut posted:

This, however, is 100% real.

Z the IVth posted:

I tried it in a cluttered office and it managed to only pick up the door and turn it into a portal to a starry void.

Ms Adequate posted:

I think the lifting of the lockdown is intended/expected to be a progressive thing rather than ending all quarantine efforts all at once? So the additional three weeks is just to the beginning of that, but we can't expect everyone to be back to normal for much longer.

bornbytheriver posted:

Do they live in the UK?

There are Russian surnames that have 'tzigan' as their root, e.g. Tzigannikov, Tziganyuk, but naming someone Tzigane is rather odd.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Also I guess manufacturers / importers have to be up and running before the next link in the supply chain right through to the customer.

Eg beer. I don't know how much they keep in, but presumably they need to brew some before pubs can reopen? Shops might need a few days to restock or whatever - a lot of the shops in my high street have all mother's day stuff in the windows because that was just after the lockdown.

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

They are not staying at home though. You wouldn't think the lockdown was still in place. There are people everywhere - even more than normal. It's loving crazy. I'm a key worker whose automotive factory was converted to making medical parts for 3M, and on the way back from work (I park five minutes away from home) the recs and parks were filled with groups of people lounging around, sitting on the grass, having a laugh etc. The square that my apartment overlooks are filled with people, and this is the one place that's supposed to be the easiest for the police to monitor and disperse if need be.

At the start of the lockdown it resembled the beginning of the movie 28 Days Later, now it's basically totally ignored and the police aren't doing anything. I see them drive around a lot but they don't enforce poo poo.

It's not coming up in general conversation yet - but people are ignoring the lockdown en masse, and it's going to explode a few weeks from now.

Darth Walrus posted:

Are they keeping up distancing, though? That's the important bit.

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

Nope. People walk past each other on the pavement same as they always do, without moving away from each other. Cyclists don't bother to keep their distance either. Dog walkers are stopping to chat to each other without thinking about social distancing etc. I'm not trying to be Scrooge here, I just think it's remarkable that people have basically stopped caring altogether. If you weren't told about the lockdown because you were living in a cave for example, you would not notice any difference.

This is in a fairly affluent town in the midlands for example

goddamnedtwisto posted:

You're missing the inevitable "Somehow manage to slip and fall through the window getting out of the shower and impale your arse on a garden gnome" option.

Darth Walrus posted:

Seems like someone in Cabinet is either lying, out of the loop, or much less sold on Number 10's plans.

Darth Walrus posted:

Buzzfeed has the goods on Number Ten's gradually emerging plans for its coronavirus exit strategy In a very interesting long read, which sits intriguingly with this section from the Daily Telegraph:

https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1251417319731052546?s=21

Seems like someone in Cabinet is either lying, out of the loop, or much less sold on Number 10's plans.

Prince John posted:

What the gently caress is it with the "we went with the science" bullshit. Are our scientific advisors really saying that it wasn't necessary to lockdown in order to stop the NHS being overwhelmed?

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Prince John posted:

What the gently caress is it with the "we went with the science" bullshit. Are our scientific advisors really saying that it wasn't necessary to lockdown in order to stop the NHS being overwhelmed?

OwlFancier posted:

All the more reason to say you're happy to keep it going forever, don't work, get paid, spend all day at the park.

Prism Mirror Lens posted:

I can believe the public wants lockdown, because who the hell wants to go to the office? Surely something weird is going to happen when they formally end it but all the office workers refuse to start commuting again.

OwlFancier posted:

All the more reason to say you're happy to keep it going forever, don't work, get paid, spend all day at the park.

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

You wouldn't think the lockdown was still in place. There are people everywhere - even more than normal.

Families expected to provide palliative care during coronavirus crisis – NHS posted:

Families will be expected to provide end-of-life care to relatives dying at home during the crisis, according to NHS England guidelines that have raised safeguarding concerns among experts.

According to the new standard operating procedure for community health services, families will be asked if they can provide care that until now has been provided by GPs, community services and specialist palliative care teams.

“During the coronavirus pandemic, there will be more people dying of coronavirus at home who will also require care and support at the end of their lives,” says the guidelines.

“The anticipated increase in demand and stretch in workforce availability means that there will have to be a greater reliance on family members, unpaid carers and those who are with these patients, to help provide the care,” it adds. “They may have to administer medication more than they are used to.”

To help manage the health needs of people at the end of life, specialist palliative care advice usually available only to GPs will be made accessible to those caring for loved ones dying at home

Additional information to support family carers is being developed, the guidance says. In the meantime, it provide links to two documents, including a toolkit, which give step-by-step instructions to help those caring for someone dying at home.

The documents instruct family members how to insert and use cannulas to inject medication under the skin if the dying person is experiencing pain and other symptoms not controlled by their regular medication.

Strong pain medications such as opioids, often used to manage pain, will be issued to families. But concern has also been raised about relatives of vulnerable people having to administer high doses of drugs such as morphine without sufficient oversight.

There is also concern that enough checks will be made to ensure the opiates are not used by those other than the patient.

“The guidance talks about delivering palliative care remotely, but how is that possible?” said Caroline Abrahams of Age UK. “In a valiant and right attempt to protect NHS staff from contracting the virus, people are being left on their own when they need support.

“Where are the safeguarding measures to stop people being bumped off?” she asked. “Helping someone die well is a specialist skill set. Unfortunately, it feels is thought people have been left to get on with it when a reasonable expectation of our society is that we get skilled palliative care.”

“Covid-19 is more than an NHS issue – it will take a nationwide effort to get through this crisis and so far, we’ve seen a tremendous effort from our patient’s families and friends. Where families are not comfortable taking on elements of their loved one’s care, this will be respected.”

An NHS spokesperson said: “It is already common practice for people who are willing and able to help care for family members receiving end-of-life care, supported by expert clinicians and with the right training, and just as is already the case no one will be asked to do things they cannot, or do not wish to, do.”

XMNN posted:

bleak

in a just world this would be Boris' only legacy

goddamnedtwisto posted:

This is why Starmer's "Where's the exit plan?" whinging is actually not a bad political move, by the way - I think everyone thinks that in a couple of weeks the magic wand will be waved and we'll all go back to what we were doing in March, but even the most suicidal attempt at reversing the lockdown is going to take weeks, with massive disruption all around. It's also a pretty good shout for business owners who kinda need to know what the rampup is going to look like - this is as close to a cold start of the economy as we've ever had to do before, and there has to be an absolute shitload of planning done to make sure that as businesses reopen they don't immediately have to close again because all their suppliers are still screaming at their suppliers who are screaming etc etc etc.

Prince John posted:

Huh. As a counterpoint in my not-affluent town a bit further south, everyone crosses the street to avoid being close, or at least steps into the road. Social distancing is observed in shops and the streets are pretty empty. Hopefully your town is not representative!