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For years as a nerdy analogy I pointed out that the Tea Party was just an astroturf campaign but it ended up having a life of its own and led to a political movement that at times ran counter to the machinations of those powerful people who secretly concocted its ideology for their own benefit . . . making the Koch brothers et al agents of Missionaria Protectiva and the Tea Partiers the Fremen. But now I realize that there is another analogy, the system of power breaking down contrary to these machinations because of an unexpected mercurial agent who swoops in and takes the reins of the Fremen religion--my god, Trump is the Kwisatz Haderach!
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Big whoop, all that means is he'll win a knife fight against Sting and make it rain. ..And invent sonic tanks. 
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Apr 18, 2020 10:05
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TK-42-1 posted:So I looked up the coward harkkonnen and the wiki has a loving eve online portrait for a picture. lmao Is that an EVE character portrait cause it sure looks like it.
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Apr 18, 2020 10:11
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eSports Chaebol posted:my god, Trump is the Kwisatz Haderach! By the way, how BAD were the Sardukar this year, did you see them? "And the winner is:... a tribe from Sietch Tabr!" What the hell was that all about? We've got enough problems with the Guild with trade. On top of it they give the Fremen control of all known spice production? Are they weirding? I don't know. I'm looking for like, let's get, "The Beast" Rabban. Can we Get "The Beast" Rabban back please? "Lovely Feyd"? So many great Harkonnens. "The Winner is... from Sietch Tabr". I Thought it was supposed to be Best Dukedom, no? Best Dukedom! No! Did this ever happen before? And then you have Shaddam IV, I was never a big fan of his. He got up, said some little wise guy statement. Little wise guy. He's a little wise guy.
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Apr 18, 2020 10:21
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euphronius posted:This will be the best movie ever and I will construct elaborate defensive constructs to justify it Same but the Lynch version.
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Apr 18, 2020 12:31
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Johnny Aztec posted:and the daughter from THAT Union would have been the true KH, according to the BG. The in-universe reason for why Bene Gesserit failed is that they failed to recognize the power of love - which is what causes Jessica to rebel against all of her teachings and arguably her entire way of life up until that point. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 18, 2020 |
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Apr 18, 2020 14:35
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Potential BFF posted:Is that an EVE character portrait cause it sure looks like it.
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Apr 18, 2020 15:10
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Pretty good posted:Didn't read your post but lol the thing you quoted looks like a character portrait from EVE, Online Posts within posts!
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Apr 18, 2020 15:27
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:By the way, how BAD were the Sardukar this year, did you see them? "And the winner is:... a tribe from Sietch Tabr!" What the hell was that all about? We've got enough problems with the Guild with trade. On top of it they give the Fremen control of all known spice production? Are they weirding? I don't know. I'm looking for like, let's get, "The Beast" Rabban. Can we Get "The Beast" Rabban back please? "Lovely Feyd"? So many great Harkonnens. "The Winner is... from Sietch Tabr". I Thought it was supposed to be Best Dukedom, no? Best Dukedom! No! Did this ever happen before? And then you have Shaddam IV, I was never a big fan of his. He got up, said some little wise guy statement. Little wise guy. He's a little wise guy. The Spacing Guild gave us a very bad deal, very unfair. More and more people are saying this. I was telling Irulan -- very pretty girl, by the way. Very young. Loves kissing. She always had a crush on me. I said Irulan -- and by the way, have you seen these Fremen chiefs? So handsome. So handsome! Like film book stars! You send these guys into battle, the Sardaukar are running. Nobody will tell you this. The Golden Path? Nobody knew how difficult that would turn out to be. "Atreides will destroy all Spice production on Arrakis," they said. Well, look at it now. Big numbers. Better than ever, say some. I don't know.
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Apr 18, 2020 15:34
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Pretty good posted:Didn't read your post but lol the thing you quoted looks like a character portrait from EVE, Online I lol'd at THIS post
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D. Ebdrup posted:The union between Feyd-Rautha and Jessica's supposed daughter would have given rise to the The Kwisatz Hadarach who was always referred to as male, as apparently Frank thought real long and hard about feminism and concluded that what a whole universe of otherwise-powerful women needed was a real man all along - despite the fact that Beverly went and got a job so she could support them while Frank wrote his books. Well yeah, the kwisatz haderach is a male reverend mother. Before that, any man to attempt the agony died outright. After the bg breeding program was prematurely successful, the atriedies genetic line had males which could access past lives. See: leto II and miles teg (his mother in the hall of mirrors). He just so happened to take over the universe, because the bg had been investing the myth of the kwieatz haderach with a lot of energy, even within their own ranks, in hopes of controlling the final product which would assume the 'godhead'. I've always thought herbert low key believed women were superior
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Apr 18, 2020 16:07
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'prescience' was a random mutation. Evolution, not selective breeding
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TK-42-1 posted:So I looked up the coward harkkonnen and the wiki has a loving eve online portrait for a picture. lmao Ten millenia. And people tell Kansas/Missouri to let the Civil War go. FBS posted:what was the BG gonna do with the KH anyway They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Apr 18, 2020 20:19
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lol imagine hating a family for longer than human civilization has lasted because one dude bitched out during a fight
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Apr 18, 2020 20:58
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Inverted Icon posted:Well yeah, the kwisatz haderach is a male reverend mother. Before that, any man to attempt the agony died outright. After the bg breeding program was prematurely successful, the atriedies genetic line had males which could access past lives. See: leto II and miles teg (his mother in the hall of mirrors). He just so happened to take over the universe, because the bg had been investing the myth of the kwieatz haderach with a lot of energy, even within their own ranks, in hopes of controlling the final product which would assume the 'godhead'.
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Apr 18, 2020 21:35
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Started reading Heretics finally, happy to see how fast the chair-dogs show up.
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Apr 18, 2020 22:27
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euphronius posted:This will be the best movie ever and I will construct elaborate defensive constructs to justify it
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Apr 18, 2020 22:46
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Gonna bust a nut watching Jason Momoa climb a cliff in 2030.
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Twitch posted:Gonna bust a nut watching Jason Momoa climb a cliff in 2030. 
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Inverted Icon posted:I've always thought herbert low key believed women were superior There are several men in the books that just completely outclass all the women in term of power (Paul, Idaho at certain points, Teg) but they're also always out of control (both their own and the BG's) and unexpected. Frank seems to have obviously thought men were stronger in some ways, but for a guy who made very plain how dangerous and catastrophic a superhero could be, it seems to me like he didn't really regard this strength as 'superior' necessarily.
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Just popped in here to say seeing Josh Brolin in armor with full opsec beard made me all  hard.This movie is going to bomb so hard that the next reboot will be shot in the actual Corrino reign.
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D. Ebdrup posted:That's a very good point, Bene Gesserit basicaly invented their godhead, they just weren't ready to handle it. (Un)ironically this is the plot of his book the Godmakers, which is interesting and very trippy.
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Frank seems to have obviously thought men were stronger in some ways, but for a guy who made very plain how dangerous and catastrophic a superhero could be, it seems to me like he didn't really regard this strength as 'superior' necessarily. "Space Hitler could only be a man." -Frank Herbert, neckbeard misogynist This is where people confuse is/ought arguments. Being Space Hitler "is" necessary to save humanity from annihilation, but no one thinks the universe "ought" to be that way. Except the Baron, maybe. But he's a fat meanie. Maybe that's a dumb and/or outdated way to see things. But it's not exactly difficult to see the same point in the exact opposite light, where Herbert thinks women are - possibly quite rightly and sanely - not willing to become Space Hitler no matter what.
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revwinnebago posted:"Space Hitler could only be a man." -Frank Herbert, neckbeard misogynist I just want to murder all the infidels and prevent the extinction of the human race through the typhoon struggle but, hey, that's your opinion and I'm fine with it. Looks like you've got some spice-essence fueled consciousness expanding to do.
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TK-42-1 posted:lol imagine hating a family for longer than human civilization has lasted because one dude bitched out during a fight I think they sorta constantly perpetuated. Also Atreides being the cooler and more popular ones and Harkonnen envy of "look at them fancy Atreides who didn't turn their planet into total hellhole".
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Sekenr posted:I think they sorta constantly perpetuated. Also Atreides being the cooler and more popular ones and Harkonnen envy of "look at them fancy Atreides who didn't turn their planet into total hellhole". Couldn't the KH have also given all the male Other Memories to the other Reverend Mothers? And were Other Memories only up to the point of bearing the child in question? Like Paul had Leto and Ghanima so anyone with his Other Memories in the future wouldn't know his perspective during Children of Dune, just during the first two books.
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Apr 19, 2020 06:14
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D. Ebdrup posted:The union between Feyd-Rautha and Jessica's supposed daughter would have given rise to the The Kwisatz Hadarach who was always referred to as male, as apparently Frank thought real long and hard about feminism and concluded that what a whole universe of otherwise-powerful women needed was a real man all along - despite the fact that Beverly went and got a job so she could support them while Frank wrote his books. Was this Steven Universe all along? Again?
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threelemmings posted:(Un)ironically this is the plot of his book the Godmakers, which is interesting and very trippy. The secret to Frank Herberts bibliography is that Dune is just every other book he's written up until that point, but deathstilled. Ghost Leviathan posted:Was this Steven Universe all along? Again?
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D. Ebdrup posted:Yup. A shitload of authors do this, really. The whole creative process is often about playing around with the same ideas until you figure out a permutation that works for you.
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Apr 19, 2020 10:17
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A shitload of authors do this, really. The whole creative process is often about playing around with the same ideas until you figure out a permutation that works for you.
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Apr 19, 2020 10:23
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Ugh, literally dreamed I watched the new Dune movie last night. Can this thing just come out already? I can only get so hyped
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Apr 19, 2020 14:18
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Just got out of a secret test preview screening for hot people with big brains. Pretty good on the whole, the weirding modules and heart plugs look way cooler than the ones in the original
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Apr 19, 2020 16:49
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If I still worked at WB I would have seen the editor's assembly by now and frankly I don't think I could keep it to myself so I'm glad I'm not tempted. It would be my own professional gom jabbar situation
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Apr 19, 2020 19:12
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Would you have been human or goon?
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Apr 19, 2020 19:32
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I can't tell you, the test is crisis.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:45
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The Voice is now accomplished by beat boxing to accompany the weirding way breakdance competitions
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Apr 19, 2020 19:54
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Just left the secret screening for guys with big dicks, it was really weird how every few minutes they had another scene of Gurney Halleck cheeting on his wife.
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The Bloop posted:The Voice is now accomplished by beat boxing to accompany the weirding way breakdance competitions My name... My name is a serving word 
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"... And then, over about 3500 years, the guy turns himself into a giant worm!!! It was the funniest poo poo I'd ever seen."
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