Milo and POTUS posted:Where was pre LL Britain getting their food? Or even post LL. Canada? India? I know a lot of Canadians served (wiki says 1 million which seems a staggering percentage), but I imagine their materiel contributions were more food based than industrial? Yeah Canada provided a fair share about the food, not sure about India though. I think a lot of raw materiel came from India way?
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Kylaer posted:What exactly would happen if the locks on the Panama Canal got destroyed? Having an uninterrupted fluid path between the Atlantic and Pacific would do...something, right, when the tides shifted? Would the water flow erode the surrounding channel until it was much wider or something? Given USN planning staff heartburn.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Where was pre LL Britain getting their food? Or even post LL. Canada? India? I know a lot of Canadians served (wiki says 1 million which seems a staggering percentage), but I imagine their materiel contributions were more food based than industrial? Most British beef imports came from South America, especially Argentina. Lamb was imported from Australia and New Zealand. India provided most of Britain's rice imports, and with Sri Lanka, the vast majority of tea imports. In the pre-war period, Canada only provided about a third of Britain's wheat, with Australia providing about a quarter. South America provided a further 15%.
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Randomcheese3 posted:Most British beef imports came from South America, especially Argentina. Lamb was imported from Australia and New Zealand. India provided most of Britain's rice imports, and with Sri Lanka, the vast majority of tea imports. In the pre-war period, Canada only provided about a third of Britain's wheat, with Australia providing about a quarter. South America provided a further 15%. What was GB using rice for in this period? Any particulary interesting recipe(s)?
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Xiahou Dun posted:Uh am I being blond? There's literally nothing in there Chinese sword fighting. Hey you’re good with languages right? This came up in TFR. Know what writing this is? infrared35 posted:A buddy of mine inherited an FN 1900 and noticed some markings on the back. I'm not a foreign language expert and Google Translate had nothing, so I figured I'd post it here and see if anyone knows what language it is and what it says.
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Armenian or Georgian, maybe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_eternity_sign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borjgali I can't match up the glyphs with any script/numerals on Wikipedia but then typed and written/inscribed forms can be wildly different, eg lower-case Cyrillic T looks like a Latin m Edit: Or Thai? '1694'? Edit 2: Thailand apparently used the M1900: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thailand_military_equipment_of_World_War_II#Pistols_(manual_and_semi-automatic) GotLag fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Apr 18, 2020 |
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aphid_licker posted:What was GB using rice for in this period? Any particulary interesting recipe(s)? I don't really know much about food history - I'm more interested in naval history. Looking at the 1936 Manual of Naval Cookery, though, it seems like they were using rice in much the same way as we would today. The recipes either specify it as a side for curries, or as an additive to soups. Rice pudding and kedgeree are about the only dishes where rice is a main ingredient. There's also a 'rice cream soup' recipe, which calls for simmering rice and veal in milk for three hours before passing the mixture through a wire sieve. Randomcheese3 fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Randomcheese3 posted:There's also a 'rice cream soup' recipe, which calls for simmering rice and veal in milk for three hours before the mixture through a wire sieve. 
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Apr 18, 2020 22:04
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aphid_licker posted:What was GB using rice for in this period? Any particulary interesting recipe(s)? Maybe good old fashioned side item? It's the easiest way to add some cheap, easy calories to a meal. Wanna stretch a stew? Serve it on some rice.
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Apr 18, 2020 22:13
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Milo and POTUS posted:Where was pre LL Britain getting their food? Or even post LL. Canada? India? I know a lot of Canadians served (wiki says 1 million which seems a staggering percentage), but I imagine their materiel contributions were more food based than industrial? Canada had the highest percentage of population serving of any western nation (possibly with the asterisk "does not count pop. of Quebec") and for historical reasons concentrated on the buildup of an escort navy. That said, I think the official history of the UK credits Canada's single biggest contribution to the war effort as truck manufacture.
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Apr 18, 2020 22:24
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Randomcheese3 posted:I don't really know much about food history - I'm more interested in naval history. Looking at the 1936 Manual of Naval Cookery, though, it seems like they were using rice in much the same way as we would today. The recipes either specify it as a side for curries, or as an additive to soups. Rice pudding and kedgeree are about the only dishes where rice is a main ingredient. There's also a 'rice cream soup' recipe, which calls for simmering rice and veal in milk for three hours before the mixture through a wire sieve. Man now I want to look up a 1930s British curry recipe.
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Apr 18, 2020 23:19
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aphid_licker posted:Man now I want to look up a 1930s British curry recipe. Fun fact - "curry" as a term is a purely british invention. They basically called any sauce they encountered in South Asia a "curry." If you've ever wondered why curries are so insanely diverse that's why. Imagine if someone rolled through the US tomorrow and applied the same word to everything from BBQ sauce to ketchup to gravy.
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Apr 18, 2020 23:22
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you've never had italian american gravy it's pasta sauce
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Cyrano4747 posted:Fun fact - "curry" as a term is a purely british invention. They basically called any sauce they encountered in South Asia a "curry." If you've ever wondered why curries are so insanely diverse that's why. Imagine if someone rolled through the US tomorrow and applied the same word to everything from BBQ sauce to ketchup to gravy. 'Corn Syrup varients'
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Not really sure where to ask this, but I've got a Soviet era officers cap that I bought from a Russian bookstore when I was a kid obsessed with James Bond. This elderly Russian guy saw how excited I was over the hat for sale and sold it to me for a discount, my understanding it was his hat from his time in the military. It's got someone's name marked on the inside along with a leather patch with what looks like manufacturer details. Of course it's all in Russian but perhaps someone here could help translate and tell me what branch of service it comes from?     Maybe manufacturer details?  Someones name  Popete fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Apr 19, 2020 00:06
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aphid_licker posted:Man now I want to look up a 1930s British curry recipe. The first is a fish curry. The recipe doesn't specify the type of fish, but one of the recipes for the ratings uses tinned salmon. Naval Cookery Manual posted:Proportions.—1/2 lb. cooked fish, dessertspoonful of curry, 1 dessertspoonful of flour, 1 onion, 1/2 pint of fish stock, 1 oz. fat, lemon juice, 4 ozs. rice, and 1 apple. Then there's a 'curry of cold meat'. This seems to be a way of reusing leftovers from a roast, as again, the type of meat is not specified. Naval Cookery Manual posted:Proportions.—2 lbs. cold meat, 1 large onion, 1 apple or tablespoonful of chutney, 1 teaspoonful of salt, 1 oz. dripping, 1 1/4 pints of stock, 1 oz. curry powder, 1/2/ oz. flour, 1 tablespoonful lemon juice, a little garlic may be added.
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That is very cool, thanks! Apparently the first reference to curry powder in Britain is from 1784.  e: can't find any Kriegsmarine recipes on Google books, bummer. aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Popete posted:Not really sure where to ask this, but I've got a Soviet era officers cap that I bought from a Russian bookstore when I was a kid obsessed with James Bond. This elderly Russian guy saw how excited I was over the hat for sale and sold it to me for a discount, my understanding it was his hat from his time in the military. My officer cap came with a poorly scrawled note that said"Please help me"
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Cyrano4747 posted:Fun fact - "curry" as a term is a purely british invention. They basically called any sauce they encountered in South Asia a "curry." If you've ever wondered why curries are so insanely diverse that's why. Imagine if someone rolled through the US tomorrow and applied the same word to everything from BBQ sauce to ketchup to gravy. Originally ketchup was the brine of pickled fish. Once brought to Britain, it was made of mushrooms. Popete posted:Maybe manufacturer details? The most I can make out is that it's made in Odessa in 1985. Other than that, I think it's a headwear?? Might also be a very curious shoe. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Popete posted:Not really sure where to ask this, but I've got a Soviet era officers cap that I bought from a Russian bookstore when I was a kid obsessed with James Bond. This elderly Russian guy saw how excited I was over the hat for sale and sold it to me for a discount, my understanding it was his hat from his time in the military. Well it was made in Odessa in 1989, the service branch is army artillery if I'm not mistaken.
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Xerxes17 posted:Well it was made in Odessa in 1989 Heyyy... four years here or there  (I need to sleep)
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Cool, thanks for the info. I did a little digging of my own, it seems like a pretty common hat you can buy originals of still to this day. I wish the name written inside was more legible but it's pretty faded at this point.
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Cyrano4747 posted:M1 Abrams vs T-72 Ural There's also some errors on the very first pages. Zaloga claims that Poland started manufacture of the "T-72 model 1975" in 1981, but that's wrong: they started production of the Obyekt 172M-1-E2 in 1981. The export model 1975 Zaloga is thinking about is the Obyekt 172M-E, which saw very little service and no license production. He also gets some of the export subvariants wrong: Zaloga posted:The second export version, the T-72M (Obiekt 172M-E2), began development in 1978, with production for export clients beginning at Nizhni-Tagil around 1980 and in Poland and Czechoslovakia by 1985. The T-72M was a hybrid of the Soviet T-72 and T-72A in terms of features. For example, it used the TPD-K1 laser rangefinder as found on the T-72A, but was still fitted with the monolithic steel turret. The initial production version, the Obiekt 172M-E2, had the original 2A46 125mm gun without the thermal shield and still carried the basic ammunition load of 39 rounds for the main gun. As mentioned the 172M-1-E2 began production in Poland and Czechoslovakia in 1981-1982. Production of the 172M-1-E3 is what commences in 1985. This is a very confusing and muddled issue driven in part by a confusing naming scheme: the 172M-1-E2 has both been called "T-72" and "T-72M" depending on exactly who produced them: Polish-built ones were "T-72M" and Czechoslovakian ones were "T-72". He also mentions on page 30 that after using the laser rangefinder range has to be entered manually into the ballistic computer. This is not the case, the TPD-K1 automatically enters the ranging data into the ballistic computer, according to former T-72M1 commander Stefan Kotsch. Like it's a fairly decent introduction and it has a lot of pretty good details but there are some flaws.
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I've been learning a lot from Kaigun by Evans and Peattie, and am eager to find any books that are similarly comprehensive for the US and Royal Navies.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Where was pre LL Britain getting their food? Or even post LL. Canada? India? I know a lot of Canadians served (wiki says 1 million which seems a staggering percentage), but I imagine their materiel contributions were more food based than industrial? New Zealand was a massive food exporter to Britain, to the point where the war actually resulted in some problems because they had built their economy around it. They produced way more than they actually needed, so the sudden danger of U-boat attacks resulted in them desperately trying to preserve meat and fruit or find someone to sell it to because otherwise it was all going to pile up and rot (a lot of fruit trees got uprooted because you can't just turn them off). New Zealand in turn began shipping a lot to the US and Canada.
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My mind is blown about that curry fact. Also, I came across a RN ship name that I assumed was a misprint for 'Axe' until I looked it up: HMS Exe.
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Heard she was a fat bottom always crawling with seamen coming on her. Exes are the worse.
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aphid_licker posted:Man now I want to look up a 1930s British curry recipe. Japanese curry is basically a Victorian British curry, which was adopted by the Japanese Navy from the British Navy. Also a funny thing about curry is that in the early 19th century the British India, for obvious reasons, ate Indian food made by native chefs. As the century wore on British women increasingly joined their husbands and took charge of the kitchens, while faster ships and canning technology made European groceries more accessible. This means that by the late 19th century among British in India eating curry regularly was a stereotypical old person thing. There are comments about how if you throw a dinner party and there are going to be old people there, you should make sure there is a dish of curry. This is all from The Raj at Table by David Burton. Also if you are into old British curry recipes, look up this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Robert_Kenney-Herbert. He is very into putting coconut in everything.
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Invading things must have improved our food considerably.
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Mr Enderby posted:Japanese curry is basically a Victorian British curry, which was adopted by the Japanese Navy from the British Navy. Sultanas in everything curry-ish is a very British old person thing over here as well Seems that old Brits just loved sweet curries (or at least curry with sweet stuff in it) even though generally stuff from a Indian takeaway isn't like that
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I suppose the generation had shifted but were there any consequential number of Englishmen in India who opted to become Indian citizens rather than leave after national independence?
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there seems to have been enough of what were called Anglo-Indians that two seats in the Lok Sabha were reserved for them until just this year. you can see some of them linked in the article about that; for example one of the last ones was a Greek member of the BJP and apparently also an actor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Indian_reserved_seats_in_the_Lok_Sabha I'm not sure if mixed white-Indian people were considered Anglo-Indian or if this is people from a white immigrant community; I think it's mostly the latter oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Hey you’re good with languages right? This came up in TFR. Know what writing this is? I don't know anything about guns and that would be the most obvious way to narrow things down, but if you're asking me to identify a language I don't read just by shapes, that looks like Burmese to me as a best guess. But my whole experience with any languages of Burma is I helped out some with the on-going effort to add S'Gaw Kuren to Unicode so I'm all but totally ignorant and just going by tummy-feels. I don't even know which way is up on that writing and just giving a best guess. I'm pretty dece with languages, but so are you ; I know lots of random poo poo about languages, but if you actually want me to do something with it it's gotta be one I speak.
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Nessus posted:You should share the attack even if it turned out to have no target, this is the thread for discussing useless weapons after all! So like I actually read-read the quoted bit in that article and it's not about swords at all. It never references weapons or blades or anything and strictly talking fighting about with fists. I don't know why it is in that article. I could translate it but it's pretty orthogonal to the points made in the article so I don't know why it's there. It's listing some basic approaches of a "7 star palm" school/technique. This article is absolute garbage and the person clearly doesn't read any Chinese. Even someone who just knows putonghua would recognize that it doesn't use words like "sword" and "blade" that are still the same. It's garbage and I don't know how it got by review except they just assumed some Mysterious East bullshit.
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When a gun is referred to as an X-pounder, is that calculated using an iron or lead sphere?
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Xiahou Dun posted:So like I actually read-read the quoted bit in that article and it's not about swords at all. It never references weapons or blades or anything and strictly talking fighting about with fists. I don't know why it is in that article. I don't see any claims to comparing German and Chinese swordfighting in the article, you shouldn't be savaging the integrity of peer review just because a goon mislabeled a link.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:I don't see any claims to comparing German and Chinese swordfighting in the article, you shouldn't be savaging the integrity of peer review just because a goon mislabeled a link. Fair but the article still only gives a paragraph to Chinese martial arts and the one time they translate something they do it wrong. ( Quanjing Jieyao Pian 拳经捷要 篇(Chapter on the Fist Canon and the Essentials of Nimbleness). No it doesn't loving mean that. What are you smoking.) It's a garbage article that should not have cited anything Chinese cause they clearly don't understand it.
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The Lone Badger posted:When a gun is referred to as an X-pounder, is that calculated using an iron or lead sphere? The modern weapons using that scheme (WWII British) had all projectiles fixed to the specified weight. I don't think lead was used much for artillery roundshot - they went from stone to iron, at least for those larger than a swivel-gun.
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