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sassassin posted:It's not "essentially" indentured servitude either. It's lacking the essential factors that would make it indentured servitude.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I don't mind people making pasties with whatever they want (my personal recipe - I offer up a prayer of repentance to the memory of my dear old Cornish mum whenever I make it - uses a dash of tomato puree, garlic, and even some diced peppers), it's just calling it a *Cornish* pasty when the filling looks like a cottage pie lost a fight with a bottle of Dolmio that annoys the poo poo out of me. Fair enough, that's a particular style and I would look askance at a pasty shop that sold me a "traditional" with carrots and peas in it. Tomato in pasty sounds unusual but I'm willing to try it.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Sorry, but “you won’t do x? Fired!” is just not how conversations go currently in the tech industry. They already can’t hire enough good people, despite massive efforts to get everyone coding to flood the market. You can absolutely say things like “I can’t join the meeting at 6 - I leave at 5”, “please can you subsidise the purchase of an office chair during WFH?” and “I have security concerns about linking x to company tech. I need to be excluded from this policy.” and probably get what you want. Okay it's good that you can see the potential need for worker resistance in the future but then why not do the organising now? Building a union isn't going to get done overnight and even just sounding people out now will make any steps you have to do to respond to a rapid change much easier. You might even get to a point where you don't have to build programs that you can see as blatently unethical.
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big scary monsters posted:Fair enough, that's a particular style and I would look askance at a pasty shop that sold me a "traditional" with carrots and peas in it. Tomato in pasty sounds unusual but I'm willing to try it. We're talking a little toothpaste-squeeze, mixed in when you brown the meat (and I'm reliably informed browning the meat before baking is *also* not legit, but bollocks to that) - just enough to add a little flavour. Which reminds me, I need to replenish my stocks of frozen cottage pies. I use those little foil takeaway containers so they can go straight from the freezer into the oven, and it's got to have the best time/effort/reward ratio of batch cooking - 45 minutes or so of cooking with a tenner's worth of ingredients gets you half a dozen meals.
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sassassin posted:It's not "essentially" indentured servitude either. It's lacking the essential factors that would make it indentured servitude. fine, you win, I apologise profusely
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Barry Foster posted:fine, you win, I apologise profusely fwiw I think sassassin is being a deliberately obtuse pedant pretending to not understand hyperbole. idk if he normally posts that bad, could be just lockdown brain
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My mum just texted me to say my dad's mother died this morning, and they're going to put my Auntie and Uncle up at theirs the night before the funeral. My auntie and uncle live in Manchester, the other side of the country. My Auntie is an NHS nurse currently working on a Coronavirus ward. My parents are loving idiots.
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Failed Imagineer posted:fwiw I think sassassin is being a deliberately obtuse pedant pretending to not understand hyperbole. idk if he normally posts that bad, could be just lockdown brain Ever since the dictionary changed the definition of 'literally' people have decided that they can say (literally) anything and even if it's blatantly and objectively false they're still right, they were just exaggerating for effect and we should naturally intuit that they were saying something very smart. To correct someone is an attack (see Trump). Unfortunately the author is dead and we can only judge someone by what they actually say/write.
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Dell_Zincht posted:My mum just texted me to say my dad's mother died this morning, and they're going to put my Auntie and Uncle up at theirs the night before the funeral. Surely they can't all attend the funeral anyway? I though numbers were limited to like 4 including the vicar
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sebzilla posted:Surely they can't all attend the funeral anyway? I though numbers were limited to like 4 including the vicar The police don't enforce it strictly for the most part. Not that it's not stupid as gently caress.
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sassassin posted:Ever since the dictionary changed the definition of 'literally' people have decided that they can say (literally) anything and even if it's blatantly and objectively false they're still right, they were just exaggerating for effect and we should naturally intuit that they were saying something very smart. To correct someone is an attack (see Trump). ok boomer
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sassassin posted:Ever since the dictionary changed the definition of 'literally' people have decided that they can say (literally) anything and even if it's blatantly and objectively false they're still right, they were just exaggerating for effect and we should naturally intuit that they were saying something very smart. To correct someone is an attack (see Trump). go outside, ffs
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Sorry, but “you won’t do x? Fired!” is just not how conversations go currently in the tech industry. They already can’t hire enough good people, despite massive efforts to get everyone coding to flood the market... namesake posted:Okay it's good that you can see the potential need for worker resistance in the future but then why not do the organising now? Building a union isn't going to get done overnight and even just sounding people out now will make any steps you have to do to respond to a rapid change much easier. You might even get to a point where you don't have to build programs that you can see as blatently unethical. Engineering design is similar to Prism Mirror Lens' situation. We have job vacancies open for months at a time. If you did an Alan Sugar you'd empty the office. If sustaining WFH gives any kind of recruitment edge then people will jump to the first company that offers it. Everyone else will have to match that or go extinct. I can see that there will be offices as a focal point and for those who choose or need to work that way, but the cult of "presenteeism" is going to die. Another evolution that's happened is the paperless office. We've been going on about it for about a decade. We've achieved it in a week.
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HJB posted:
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sassassin posted:Ever since the dictionary changed the definition of 'literally' people have decided that they can say (literally) anything and even if it's blatantly and objectively false they're still right, they were just exaggerating for effect and we should naturally intuit that they were saying something very smart. To correct someone is an attack (see Trump). shut the gently caress up
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sassassin posted:Ever since the dictionary changed the definition of 'literally' people have decided that they can say (literally) anything and even if it's blatantly and objectively false they're still right, they were just exaggerating for effect and we should naturally intuit that they were saying something very smart. To correct someone is an attack (see Trump). quote:literally (adv.) So, "literally" was used in its original "literal" sense for several centuries (though not exclusively, because it was also used to mean "relating to letters"). Then since the late 1600s it has been used as a figurative intensifier with an easily understood hyperbolic meaning. It's cool to be dumb and all, but if you're doing a bit I don't get how this is fun for you. And if you're posting sincerely then lol e: you also appear to have a completely backwards understanding of "The Death Of The Author" but thats besides the point Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Apr 18, 2020 |
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sassassin posted:Ever since the dictionary changed the definition of 'literally' people have decided that they can say (literally) anything and even if it's blatantly and objectively false they're still right, they were just exaggerating for effect and we should naturally intuit that they were saying something very smart. To correct someone is an attack (see Trump). Get help
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sassassin posted:Unfortunately the author is dead and we can only judge someone by what they actually say/write.
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HJB posted:
I really hate how the BBC writes headlines. Why aren't those two separate sentences? It suggests those people died because councils have got extra funding 
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big scary monsters posted:This is blatantly and objectively false - Barry Foster has replied since and this would not be possible if they were dead. Please do not use unnecessary metaphor like this. Eh he could have been raised by one of the thread necromancers.
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Ms Adequate posted:Eh he could have been raised by one of the thread necromancers. That's not what Necrothatcher means!
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crispix posted:I really hate how the BBC writes headlines. Why aren't those two separate sentences? It suggests those people died because councils have got extra funding The Tories are both supplying the funding and responsible for the deaths, so what's the inaccuracy?
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Endjinneer posted:Engineering design is similar to Prism Mirror Lens' situation. We have job vacancies open for months at a time. If you did an Alan Sugar you'd empty the office. And this is still 'why do I need to put a roof on my house? The sun is shining brightly.' level of thinking. By definition working remotely allows for recruitment across a wider geography, perhaps even globally. Are the labour shortages a global problem? No people in the USA, China or India willing to take on a role for a foreign company? It's not like a physical interview would be possible during a lock down anyway so what's the harm in trialling people from across the planet after a remote interview? Oh and now that your project lead and many coworkers are 8 hours behind you you're going to have to do lots of evening working so you can all call in together, sorry that's just how it is now. Capital and labour are constant antagonists and you can't just expect to keep coasting into comfortable roles because of currently favourable market conditions because those conditions are under constant change and it's the more powerful and active actor which gets to set the terms.
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crispix posted:I really hate how the BBC writes headlines. Why aren't those two separate sentences? It suggests those people died because councils have got extra funding Same with the frontpage of the guardian right now  Does the US have a duty to Spain? perhaps so
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crispix posted:I really hate how the BBC writes headlines. Why aren't those two separate sentences? It suggests those people died because councils have got extra funding I just finished re-reading the Truth yet again, which pokes fun at headline-speak. Got to love a special way of communicating worse!
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Failed Imagineer posted:So, "literally" was used in its original "literal" sense for several centuries (though not exclusively, because it was also used to mean "relating to letters"). Then since the late 1600s it has been used as a figurative intensifier with an easily understood hyperbolic meaning.
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Dell_Zincht posted:My mum just texted me to say my dad's mother died this morning, and they're going to put my Auntie and Uncle up at theirs the night before the funeral. Sorry to hear about your grandparent, hope you can convince them to stay elsewhere.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Same with the frontpage of the guardian right now I mean you can just list any two contemporaneous things and you're good. "Billionaire masturbates as infant dies" is almost certainly a factually correct headline.
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sebzilla posted:I mean you can just list any two contemporaneous things and you're good. "Billionaire literally masturbates as infant dies"
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namesake posted:And this is still 'why do I need to put a roof on my house? The sun is shining brightly.' level of thinking. By definition working remotely allows for recruitment across a wider geography, perhaps even globally. Are the labour shortages a global problem? No people in the USA, China or India willing to take on a role for a foreign company? It's not like a physical interview would be possible during a lock down anyway so what's the harm in trialling people from across the planet after a remote interview? Oh and now that your project lead and many coworkers are 8 hours behind you you're going to have to do lots of evening working so you can all call in together, sorry that's just how it is now. I mean it's not like this wasn't a thing before the 'rona yet programmers remain well paid. There are fewer people worldwide that can do this well than there are open roles. Language barriers and timezones remain a thing. If the bosses could screw us down to minimum wage they would have done long since, theyve certainly tried, but they can't. Luv 2 be the aristocracy of labour 
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https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1251445035742134272 Many times in this thread I've advocated for the complete destruction of the British media but it's increasingly apparent that we also need to ban anybody who has ever worked in the British media from getting any kind of job in the government.
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namesake posted:And this is still 'why do I need to put a roof on my house? The sun is shining brightly.' level of thinking. By definition working remotely allows for recruitment across a wider geography, perhaps even globally. Are the labour shortages a global problem? No people in the USA, China or India willing to take on a role for a foreign company? It's not like a physical interview would be possible during a lock down anyway so what's the harm in trialling people from across the planet after a remote interview? Oh and now that your project lead and many coworkers are 8 hours behind you you're going to have to do lots of evening working so you can all call in together, sorry that's just how it is now. Yes and no, respectively. The work isn't something that takes a lot of verbal back-and-forth either, so working with a colleague on the opposite side of the globe takes fairly little extra effort. My point was that in my knowledge based industry where the balance of power already lies with the employee, the experience of a lockdown is going to open opportunities for a change in the relationship between employer and employee which further goes in favour of many employees. Having been a union member during market conditions that were dire enough for that relationship to briefly invert, the scale of the crisis was so great that the union's collective bargaining power was moot. I'm not down t' pit wi' t' lads, so a traditional marxist reading of the situation doesn't yield useful conclusions. Postcapitalism is an interesting book which tries to explore how it can, incidentally. To torture that metaphor of yours, it's not a house without a roof so much as a hotel without a roof. You keep your bags packed, you nick the towels, you make sure you have an umbrella and a good idea how to build at least a shack of your own. In the event of a downpour that makes all that preparation useless, even buildings with roofs are hosed.
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big scary monsters posted:This is blatantly and objectively false - Barry Foster has replied since and this would not be possible if they were dead. Please do not use unnecessary metaphor like this. lol no im dead
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