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Solid logic, can't even argue it. Anyway it'll most likely be an OT or a trade down since he basically signed what Okudah can do in Bradberry. Either way what I'm most excited about is our 4 7th round picks he amassed.
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Are you guys listening to any good draft podcasts? I want to consume even more content this week.
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Ehud posted:Are you guys listening to any good draft podcasts? I want to consume even more content this week. I like The Draft Dudes which has Kyle Crabbs and Joe Marino.
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boooooo https://twitter.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1251541015770562560?s=20
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This would have been the only thing that could potentially make up for losing the ferry entrances and they just snatched it away from us.
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Breaking news https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/test-dont-joe-burrow-pick-004214579.html
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Gettlemen on the phone while a frustrated millennial tries to explain F3 to show all windows. Gettlemen keeps typing F and the number 3 at the same time, filling the word doc that is inexplicably open. The whole world waits while he pauses to smell one of his boots ala A Fish Called Wanda
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Ehud posted:Breaking news Even yahoo knows they won’t use him to his full potential. 
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Those are some ugly rear end shoes.
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fsif posted:Those are some ugly rear end shoes. apparently they don't even actually exist, and are instead a way for some Chinese scammers to steal money: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/pearlfeet.com
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The thing that hits me every year around this point in the pre-draft after pouring over all the analysis, is that in three years I'll recognize like 5% of the players drafted in the first couple rounds
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For me and my house, we will buy shoes based on how easily you can roll them into a ball
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Ehud posted:Are you guys listening to any good draft podcasts? I want to consume even more content this week. Same, I require more goon recommendations. I'm a 2nd grader with those markers that smell like stuff, and the stuff is draft content and I want to give myself (more) permanent brain damage.
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So, Patrick Queen will definitely be gone by 32 right? Probably the best player at a position of need for KC
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Double post but BR is doing a mock draft https://statmilk.bleacherreport.com/NFL/DraftBoard/91618962/4511 Check out the Chargers and complete lack of Herbert in the 1st
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kiimo posted:So, Patrick Queen will definitely be gone by 32 right? My gut says he goes. A lot of mocks have him falling into the 2nd. Most the stuff I hear about GM say they prefer Kenneth Murray, But a ton of folks publicly of also said that all the mock drafts are even wronger than usual this year.
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Patrick Queen might be the kind of guy for a more narrow range of defensive schemes which makes him a little bit more unpredictable, where is Murray is more a traditional modern LB. I don't think you should be spending a lot on Queen unless you're running a defense that is going to cover up the interior gaps and let him flow to the ball.
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Catfish Noodlin posted:Patrick Queen might be the kind of guy for a more narrow range of defensive schemes which makes him a little bit more unpredictable, where is Murray is more a traditional modern LB. Queen's so tiny I can't believe he's being talked up as a top 25 pick but here we are. He has zero blocker shedding ability and relies on his speed so much, even when tackling. It's like watching a free safety blitz. Yeah when he doesn't get picked up he gets there super fast and causes a big disruption, but when he gets picked up he gets blanked. Had a big sack against Georgia that was pretty much entirely due to a wtf spin move after getting shoved into the turf by their LG. A bunch of his highlight sacks are coverage sacks too. Just so much time given to him by that awesome secondary they had the last two years. He's so good in coverage that I don't think he'll drop much, if at all. Ideally you want a LB that can blitz, run stop, and cover, but the NFL has been steadily shrinking their LBs every year. Way more emphasis on gang tackling and having fast guys on defense that can get to and assist on tackles as well. In that way Queen is pretty good. He'll wrap up RBs if there's no one in front of him and he'll beat TEs to points along the route and probably keep up with slot receivers too. He obviously learned something under Devin White because he's amazing at diagnosing and getting to the right spot. It's just that in the NFL I expect a lot of teams to run the gently caress out of the ball when he's on the field. I doubt any of the AFC South would take him just because of the Colts o-line.
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McGinns RBs:Bob McGinn posted:This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-’91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-‘17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-’19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.
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I was gonna post opinions on Dobbins being underrated and hoping Dillon puts on even more weight and becomes Brandon Jacobs reborn but then I got to this:quote:SCOUT TO REMEMBER
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That is the perfect scout/draft expert name. Dobbins is tied for my #1 hope should the Chiefs go in that direction along with Swift (surely one and perhaps both of them will be gone by that pick). I still don't want them to go RB early but on the off chance they do.
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NFL decision-makers are studying the rushers, the stuffers and the studs as they make final adjustments to the defensive line on their draft boards. The class isn’t a good one, nor is it a bad one. For every hit will come a miss. Yet the rewards are so vital at this most critical position that teams come back for more every year. “At some point, you’ve got to take a shot on these guys,” one executive in personnel said. “These dudes don’t grow on trees.” Exactly. “This might be the position most of all that people just kind of invent players,” said another personnel man. ‘Oh, we’ve gotta have big bodies.’ OK, but if they’re not any good, how does it help you?” Auburn’s Derrick Brown is the chairman of the board, and some scouts say South Carolina’s Javon Kinlaw has a chance to be even better when their careers are wrapped up. Brown is one of the five best players in the draft regardless of position, and Kinlaw is the No. 2 defensive lineman on most draft boards. “Brown’s probably the most certain of the top guys in the draft,” said an AFC scout. “It’s a bit of a reach to say he’s the best player in the draft, but I don’t think he’s going to fail. His floor is very high.” Kinlaw, another senior, is almost the exact same imposing size as Brown but has even longer arms and much bigger hands. “Probably not as good an athlete as (Albert) Haynesworth,” another personnel man said. “But he gives a better effort.” When those two come off the board, the sweat marks will expand under the arms of many decision-makers because the fun is just beginning. A cluster of eight big men will be staring teams in the face, and those that get it right here will have taken a giant step toward winning the draft. The rushers, or 3-techniques, would be TCU’s Ross Blacklock, Oklahoma’s Neville Gallimore and Auburn’s Marlon Davidson. Jordan Elliott of Missouri and Justin Madubuike of Texas A&M are viewed as more versatile by teams because they’re comfortable playing 3-technique or nose tackle. Then come the three stuffers: Alabama’s Raekwon Davis, Ohio State’s Davon Hamilton and Utah’s Leki Fotu. My poll of 17 personnel people revealed little agreement beyond Brown and Kinlaw. Brown was a unanimous choice among the scouts, and Kinlaw gathered 16 second-place votes to go with one third. The point totals in the 1-to-5 voting showed Brown with 85 and Kinlaw with 65. Following, in order, were Blacklock (31), Gallimore (21), Davidson (16), Madubuike (11), Davis (10), Elliott (nine), Fotu (three) and Hamilton and Arkansas’ McTelvin Agim, each with two points. What stood out in the balloting was the attractiveness of the rushers over the stuffers. “When seven of the 10 plays are passes in the National Football League, you don’t need those guys anymore,” one executive said in reference to run-stopping base defensive ends. “Everybody will give up size for quickness and rush. It’s happening in high school. If you can’t run, then your chances of playing are slim and none.” That’s where Blacklock, Gallimore, Davidson and possibly Madubuike come in. All are somewhat undersized for regular turns at 1-technique. What they possess are speed and athletic ability. Gallimore (4.82), Madubuike (4.85) and Blacklock (4.91) all can run, and Davidson, despite a 5.04 clocking, had more career sacks (17) than the others. In the past five years, just nine defensive tackles with 3-technique characteristics and sub-4.9 speed were drafted in the first four rounds. You can define the hits and the misses. Quinnen Williams (6-3, 299, 4.82) and Ed Oliver (6-2, 284, 4.73) were first-round choices last year. In 2018, P.J. Hall (6-0 1/2, 308, 4.76) went in the second, and Da’Shawn Hand (6-3 1/2, 298, 4.84) went in the fourth. In 2017, it was Montravius Adams (6-3 1/2, 304, 4.88) in the third round. In 2016, it was Robert Nkemdiche (6-3 1/2, 295, 4.89) in the first, Adam Gotsis (6-4 1/2, 292, 4.89) in the second and Javon Hargrave (6-1 1/2, 305, 4.88) in the third. And, in 2015, it was Xavier Cooper (6-3, 293, 4.85) in the third. An AFC personnel man paused before sizing up the triumvirate of Blacklock, Gallimore and Madubuike. “They all have potential,” the scout said. “They all test out well. I wish they played a little more consistently. They all have some speed, some quickness. They all have plays that are pretty darn impressive, and they all disappear in stretches.” One scout listed Brown and Kinlaw as 1-techniques in a positional grouping that also included Davis, Madubuike, Fotu, Hamilton and LSU’s Rashard Lawrence. An evaluator summed up the never-ending assignment for him and his peers like this: “You’ve just got to get the right one.” “He’s the case study on why a kid comes back for his senior year,” a scout said about Auburn’s Derrick Brown. (Brian Spurlock / USA Today) RANKING THE DEFENSIVE LINE 1. DERRICK BROWN, Auburn (6-4 1/2, 324, 5.17, 1): Returned for his senior season with a purpose, solidifying his status as the best interior player available. “He’s such a big guy,” said one scout. “He’s not explosive and twitchy like a Gerald McCoy coming out. The 3-techs like Warren Sapp are quicker than him, but he’s so big I don’t think it really matters. He’s pretty quick for his size, and he plays hard.” McCoy (6-4, 298, 5.06) and Ndamukong Suh (6-4, 304, 5.08) were compared by scouts to Brown, as was Fletcher Cox (6-4, 299, 4.80). “The difference between him and Ndamukong Suh is Suh had your typical lazy big-man tendencies,” another scout said. “This kid plays hard all the time. I think he’s No. 1 in the draft against the run. He’s the case study on why a kid comes back for his senior year. He probably would have been a late first last year, and now he’s going in the top six or seven. He made himself tens of millions of dollars. Just a really good football player and a really good kid. Going into the year, some teams thought he might be too nice. He certainly didn’t play that way this year. Really disruptive, powerful, quick.” A durable three-year starter, he finished with 170 tackles (33 1/2 for loss) and 13 sacks. “He’s far and away the best,” said a third scout. “He’s the total package. There ain’t nothing he can’t do. Just watch the Alabama game. He’s phenomenal.” According to one scout, Brown displayed stunning speed getting out of his stance and hitting the bag in drills. The only negative would be small hands (9 inches). From Sugar Hill, Ga. 2. JAVON KINLAW, South Carolina (6-5, 324, no 40, 1): Spent his first year of college at a junior college before starting 34 of 37 games from 2017 to 2019. “In two or three years he could pass Brown up,” said one scout. “He’s got more physical tools. He’s longer. He can run. Just figuring things out. Changed his body this year. Lost 20 pounds from the previous season (2018). If he can stay on the trajectory he’s on, you’ve got a perennial Pro Bowl-type player. He has lived out of his car. He’s battled through a lot of adversity in life. He had a child this offseason, and that usually sends a guy one of two ways: into a tailspin or focused. He’s focused.” Finished with 93 tackles (18 for loss), 10 1/2 sacks and 10 passes defensed. “The easy comparison is Chris Jones (6-5 1/2, 311, 5.01),” another scout said. “They both were kind of inconsistent as college players but have a ton of upside. He’d run about 5.0. He’s a really good athlete.” His arms (34 7/8) were the longest of the top 25 D-tackles. Hands were 10 1/2 inches. “He’s got star-or-bust written all over him,” said a third scout. “Not instinctive. He is big and strong but I don’t completely trust him.” His family, which is from Trinidad, eventually settled in Charleston, S.C. “You talk about busts, I think he’ll be,” a fourth scout said. “He doesn’t know how to play. He’s got that big upper body. More of a straight-line, gap-charging, try-to-bull-you guy. Doesn’t have much movement or feel or hand use. He has those (bust) traits where he just tries to outmuscle and outpower everybody. You just don’t see the production. He’s just really a flash player.” 3. ROSS BLACKLOCK, TCU (6-3, 290, 4.91, 1-2): Played RB and TE for some of his high school career. “Dad was a (Harlem) Globetrotter,” said one scout. “Great home life. Best football is ahead of him. He’s got feet, eyes, strength to push the pocket. He can two-gap. Understands how to use his hands. Has a feel for the game. Has quickness and burst. All his is upside. I do see him as a first-rounder.” Redshirted in 2016, started in ’17, blew out his Achilles and sat out ’18, started in ’19 and declared a year early. “Depending on what he weighs, he can do a lot,” another scout said. “He was 310 at one time. He ran 4.9 at 310, same as at 290. It’s hard to find college players on the inside that have legit pass-rush ability. He does. … He’s immature. That shows up in his film, too. When he gets hard coaching from guys that make him grow up and be a man, it’ll show up on the field as well.” Finished with 67 tackles (15 1/2 for loss) and 5 1/2 sacks. “You see some athletic ability,” said a third scout. “Nimble, quick. But a non-explosive guy. He just gets beat up inside. I don’t think he’s very tough or competitive. Just a flash gap-penetrating guy.” From Missouri City, Texas. 4. NEVILLE GALLIMORE, Oklahoma (6-2, 305, 4.82, 1-2): Played mostly NT for the Sooners but projects as a 3-technique. “He and Blacklock are pretty similar,” said one scout. “Gallimore plays a little harder. He flashes a ton when he chases. He can really run sideline to sideline.” Started at least five games in all four seasons after redshirting in 2015. “Not a perfect player, but he’s fun to watch,” said a second scout. “He’s a really good athlete. He’s really explosive, but he’s a linear athlete and gets really (upright).” Finished with 148 tackles (18 for loss) and 8 1/2 sacks. “I’m lukewarm on him,” a third scout said. “I don’t know if he’s got a true feel for it. Gets a little disruption as an interior pass rusher. More of a one-gap player. He’ll get engulfed at times. Does he have steel, or is he just a flash player? Second round.” Born and raised in the Canadian capital of Ottawa by Jamaican parents. “He was almost unblockable at the Senior Bowl,” said a fourth scout. “His competitiveness isn’t an issue. But for his ability level his productivity isn’t very good.” Short arms (32 3/4). 5. MARLON DAVIDSON, Auburn (6-3 1/2, 300, 5.04, 1-2): His main attributes, according to one scout, are his tremendous leadership ability and overwhelming love of the game. “He ran that room,” another scout said of the Tigers’ defensive-line meeting space, which included Derrick Brown. “He’s a badass. I wouldn’t take him in the first, but I would in the second. My problem with him is, I can show you two or three plays where they block him to the ground. First-rounders, in my book, don’t get blocked to the ground. Pancaked.” Possesses first-step quickness, good feet and all-out playing tempo. Played alongside Green Bay’s Montravius Adams in 2016. “I think he’s better than Adams, but he’s different,” said a third scout. “I see him more as a 3-4 5-technique. Kind of a tweener. He’s not fast enough to play (4-3) end. On rush downs, he’d be excellent inside.” Finished with 175 tackles (29 1/2 for loss), 17 sacks and nine passes defensed in 51 games, all starts. “I don’t think he’ll go in the first just because of the injury history and the fact he’s a little bit of a one-year wonder,” a fourth scout said. “They said he was 275 when we were there (last fall). Then he shows up at the Senior Bowl at 300 (actually 297; he was 303 at the combine and 296 at pro day March 6). Now people wonder if he’s an inside guy. I think somebody got into his head and said you need to be around 300, but I don’t think that’s his game. I think his game is 280 and movement.” From Greenville, Ala. 6. JORDAN ELLIOTT, Missouri (6-4, 302, 5.01, 1-2): Began his career playing six games at Texas in 2016. Sat out ’17 as a transfer before backing up in ’18 and starting in ’19. “He’s a 3-technique and he can two-gap,” said one scout. “He flashes burst. He’s a disruptor. Has some issues with size blockers. Kid’s got good film. He’s really good.” Finished with 76 tackles (19 1/2 for loss) and six sacks. “He’s not starter level,” said a second scout. “He doesn’t have that type of twitch or that type of hand use. He’s a decent pass rusher.” Played the season between 300 and 305 after having been 320-plus earlier in his career. “Just more of an effort pass rusher,” said a third scout. “More of just a run stopper. Knows how to play. I thought he’d be a nice utility backup type guy to have.” His score of 30 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test was the highest at the position. His arm length (32 3/8) was the second-shortest among the top 15 defensive linemen. From Missouri City, Texas. 7. JUSTIN MADUBUIKE, Texas A&M (6-2 1/2, 293, 4.85, 2): Fourth-year junior paced the position in the 3-cone at 7.37 seconds. One team that throws all testing numbers into a hopper and comes up with overall rankings had him as the best athlete at the position. “He’s a really good athlete,” said one scout. “He’ll be a third-rounder. He’s got some character concerns. Just personality and small things off the field with his teammates.” Fourth-year junior redshirted in 2016, backed up in ’17 and started and won team MVP honors each of the past two seasons. “He’s got as much talent as any of ’em,” said a second scout. “But he doesn’t love football. He can do everything. He can run, too.” Finished with 105 tackles (24 1/2 for loss) and 11 sacks. “He’s more than athlete enough, but he’s one of those guys who picks his spots,” a third scout said. “He’s got to play inside, and I don’t know if he can. He’s more like a move nose tackle than an anchor. … He was a highly rotated player. He tapped himself out. I don’t think he’s a tough guy.” Arms were 33 1/2, hands were merely 9. From McKinney, Texas. One scout said Alabama’s Raekwon Davis is an ideal prospect to play end or nose tackle in a 3-4 defense. (Joe Robbins / Getty Images) 8. RAEKWON DAVIS, Alabama (6-6, 311, 5.13, 2-3): According to one scout, he’s an ideal prospect to play end or nose tackle in a 3-4 defense because he’s a better run stopper than any other DT in the draft. “He’s a two-gap, huge, long, strong, physical (player),” said another scout. “He’s impressive. I think he brings more value for a 3-4 team. You could put him at 5-technique and he’d shut stuff down now.” Part-time starter in 2017 yet still came up with 8 1/2 sacks. Finished with 11 1/2 in 48 games (32 starts) to go with 175 tackles (19 1/2 for loss). “When he walks in the room you say, ‘Oh, my gosh, this guy’s incredible,’” said a third scout. “The truth of it is he looks the part but he doesn’t really play the part. Yeah, he had seven sacks (8 1/2) one year, but that was more the benefit of what was around him. Not much pass rush. Boom or bust. He can bend, but I don’t see any twitch in him. He’s just a big 3-4 D-end. There’s value in that maybe on one down per series. After that, it’s throw the ball here, there and everywhere.” Arms were 33 7/8, hands tied for the position lead at 11. “He’s sort of slipped a little bit,” said a fourth scout. “I don’t know what happened to him. I liked him earlier in his career. He might be one of those guys that plays much better than he did this year. He did dominate at times as a (sophomore).” From Meridian, Miss. 9. DAVON HAMILTON, Ohio State (6-3 1/2, 320, 5.17, 2-3): Fifth-year starter. Had to wait until 2019 to crack the lineup. “Starting nose tackle,” said one scout. “More motor and power to push the pocket than he is explosive on the edge. His first- and second-down value is better than his pass rush, but he’s got enough.” Played better and better as the season went on. “A lot of guys were putting fifth-round grades on him, thinking they were sticking their necks out on a one-year starter,” said another scout. “Now they regret it. I think he’ll go second round, and he should. He’s super talented. Really powerful. Will have value on third down because he can collapse the pocket. He’ll be a really good starter.” Finished with 66 tackles (21 for loss) and seven sacks. “Like the way he plays,” a third scout said. “Square body. Wide body. Plays hard. He’s a two-down nose type. Not much range. Just a box-area banger. He worked out really well. Probably third round.” Led the position on the bench press with 33 reps. From Pickerington, Ohio. 10. LEKI FOTU, Utah (6-5 1/2, 330, 5.17, 2-3): If a team needs someone to two-gap ala Vince Wilfork, this is the player. “He’s a 1-tech that totally controls the point of attack,” said one scout. “Jeffery Simmons was a little bit like him, but he was quicker than Fotu. He can push the guard to the quarterback. He’s so big that I question his arm length. His torso is so thick that his arms don’t fall.” Big all over. Arms measured 34 1/4, hands were 10 5/8. “He’s gigantic,” another scout said. “Tough guy. Strong. A one-down nowadays nose tackle. Not even two downs anymore. He’s a box-area, run-support player.” Finished with 85 tackles (18 for loss) and 4 1/2 sacks. “There’s no way this guy can play for us,” a third scout said. “If a team really wants a 3-4 nose, he’s probably the best one. That’s what this guy is made for.” From Oakland, Calif. 11. McTELVIN AGIM, Arkansas (6-2 1/2, 308, 4.94, 3-4): Played as a base DE for three seasons before shifting inside as a senior. “He did some good things in some all-star games,” one scout said. “Probably more consistent in those games than he was on college tape. Late rounds, but I know there are people that like him.” Started 40 of 49 games, finishing with 145 tackles (31 1/2 for loss) and 16 sacks. “We thought he could play inside or base end in a big scheme,” said a second scout. “He needs some development. He’s kind of like a (early) Day 3 pick. Maybe end of Day 2.” Vertical jump of 30 1/2 led the position. Arms were 33 1/2, hands were 10 1/8. “He has really good initial quickness so he’ll flash,” said a third scout. “They (the flashes) are few and far between. He disappears for long stretches. He did have a good week at the Senior Bowl. He has some pass rush to him, and a lot of these inside guys don’t. He has the ability to get on an edge and win. I just see a big underachiever on tape, but I don’t think he gets out of the fourth round.” From Texarkana, Texas. 12. LARRELL MURCHISON, North Carolina State (6-2 1/2, 297, 5.06, 3): Played two years in junior college, redshirted in 2017 and started all 25 games in 2018-19. “He’s a very good football player,” said one scout. “He doesn’t look like anything on the hoof. You see him and go, ‘That’s Murchison?’ But he’s kind of sneaky athletic. He makes a ton of plays for a guy inside. He chases, plays hard, always knows where the ball’s going. I don’t know if he’s a Pro Bowl-type player but a guy you want on your team. When he’s not on the field, you’re going to know it.” Lined up inside and outside in a 3-3-5 defense. Finished with 82 tackles (20 for loss) and 11 sacks. “Man, if you go off the Senior Bowl, he’s like a Pro Bowler,” another scout said. “They couldn’t block him at the Senior Bowl. He is a talented guy. He has to win off the snap. The longer the play goes, the less effective he is. He’s a movement guy. He’ll be disqualified from other schemes. He’s a backup. Maybe a fourth-rounder as a 3-technique.” His vertical jump of 30 1/2 led the position. From Elizabethtown, N.C. 13. JAMES LYNCH, Baylor (6-3 1/2, 289, 4.96, 3-4): Declared for the draft a year early after coach Matt Rhule departed for Carolina. “Very hard-playing,” said one scout. “Productive. He’s a tweener, between end and defensive tackle. High-level second-wave guy, probably. He’ll come in mainly on passing downs.” Broke the Bears’ record for sacks in a season (13 1/2 in 2019) and sacks in a career (22). Also made 101 tackles (33 1/2 for loss). His problem is 31 7/8 arms. “I feel 32 is the bare minimum,” a second scout said. “He’s going to have problems. He’s undersized to go inside, and he’s not fast enough to be an edge guy at 4.97. He’s a backup guy that will create some havoc for the offensive line. He does compete. He can play the run. He’s a good football player, but he’s not special.” Wonderlic of 26 was second-best among DTs. “Doesn’t have long speed but does a nice job getting skinny and has good feel for the game,” a third scout said. “Plays hard. Don’t see the athleticism.” From Round Rock, Texas. 14. RASHARD LAWRENCE, LSU (6-2, 308, 5.16, 4-5): Three-year starter. “More of an overachiever, grunt type of player,” said one scout. “Like the way he plays. One-down run support. Combative player. Not much pass rush. Guy you’d like on your team. Academic All-SEC twice. Was captain (for three years).” Production declined sharply as a senior. Finished with 120 tackles (21 for loss) and nine sacks. Has a history of knee (patellar tendon) and ankle injuries. Hands (11) tied for the largest at the position. “He’s a Steady Eddie,” a second scout said. “He’s had a ton of lower-body injuries. He’s a third-day guy, at best.” From Monroe, La. 15. ROBERT WINDSOR, Penn State (6-4 1/2, 290, 4.90, 5-6): Two-year starter as a 3-technique. “He is strong and is 100 percent,” said one scout. “You’re going to want the guy in camp, but I don’t think he’ll make it. He’s not that big. Basically, what you see is what you get.” His outstanding workout at the combine included a position-best short shuttle of 4.44. Other than a superb performance against Iowa, scouts say he seldom played to his testing numbers. “He’s got a quick first step and high motor,” said one scout. “Keeps his feet moving. He’s better in the pass than the run. Lacks strength and is often exposed. Gets overpowered by the bigger blockers. Needs to see the field better to make plays. … Marches to the beat of his own drum. He’s perceived as a selfish guy. Hasn’t bought into the program. He’s got that privileged-kid kind of thing.” Stunned the PSU staff in the offseason by working out off-campus on his own rather than at the university with teammates. ”He’s a make-it guy,” said a third scout. “A 5-technique who can probably play any position across the D-line.” Finished with 121 tackles (20 for loss) and 14 sacks. From Fond du Lac, Wis. OTHERS, in order: John Penisini, Utah; Josiah Coatney, Mississippi; Raequan Williams, Michigan State; Carlos Davis, Nebraska; Tyler Clark, Georgia; Khalil Davis, Nebraska; Benito Jones, Mississippi; Jashon Cornell, Ohio State; Darrion Daniels, Nebraska; Malcolm Roach, Texas; Calvin Taylor, Kentucky; Bravvion Roy, Baylor; Robert Landers, Ohio State. THE SKINNY UNSUNG HERO John Penisini, NT, Utah: A rugby player who didn’t play football until his senior year of high school in West Jordan, Utah. Spent two years at a junior college, backed up in 2017 and started at 3-technique alongside Leki Fotu for two years. Penisini (6-1 1/2, 318) offers next to nothing as a pass rusher, but there are teams that like his ruggedness and shock-absorbing capabilities. SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE Raequan Williams, NT, Michigan State: Played well at 315-plus as a junior but wasn’t as effective at 300 as a senior. He was down to 287 at the Senior Bowl, but a month later was 308 at the combine. Durable, conscientious big man (6-4, 308) who gives great effort. If Williams gets his weight squared away, he might earn a run-down rotational role. SCOUT TO REMEMBER Bucko Kilroy: He spent 64 years in the NFL, first as a six-time All-Pro lineman in Philadelphia and then as a successful GM, personnel director and scout for the Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys and Patriots. He helped found the National Football Scouting combine in 1981. Intelligent, innovative and barrel-chested. A larger-than-life character. Dick Steinberg, one of the many outstanding scouts whom Kilroy hired, said in 1992: “He knows as much about pro football as anyone in history.” He died in 2007 at age 86. QUOTE TO NOTE AFC executive in personnel: “The stationary guy in today’s football, I don’t know how he survives. At any position.”
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Bucko Kilroy and Dick Mansperger are what I call my fists
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Someone is gonna snag Dobbins in the late 2nd and look like a genius for it
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Lots of tread on those tires for a 5'10 RB who can't pass protect.
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kiimo posted:Lots of tread on those tires for a 5'10 RB who can't pass protect. I suppose my argument on pass protection is it can be taught as long as you're willing to stick your nose in there, which he certainly is. The tread thing with college backs is something I go back and forth on. I mean this was a knock on Ron Dayne and Ron Dayne sucked! But it was also a knock on LdT and he was awesome. So I don't know. Feel like guys are just either going to work out or bust on their own for the most part whether or not they averaged 300 carries a season in college. I mean that's a wishy washy as gently caress position to take I admit.
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We also have a 6'2 220 SB ring wearin running back already so I feel like the guy we could use the most is Swift.
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what's funniest about the running backs is how they get smaller every single year. this there's only two guys over 5'11 in the top 10, and they're only six feet tall. Most of the top guys are 5'9 or under. It makes sense, but it's still interestingtarbrush posted:NFL decision-makers are studying the rushers, the stuffers and the studs as they make final adjustments to the defensive line on their draft boards. I like what he said about Davon Hamilton, that guy is gonna be good for a player you can find in the third or fourth round (maybe). Underrated probably because he only started one year but be the end of it he looked really good, and performed well at the combine. Seems like a reasonably weak year for D tackles overall, wouldn't be surprised if more end up going earlier than we think
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Here’s Joe Thomas thread breaking down the top 4 OTs https://twitter.com/joethomas73/status/1252059622040535040 https://twitter.com/joethomas73/status/1252059624544653314
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I disagree Mr. HoF lock OT, and furthermore
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Diva Cupcake posted:Here’s Joe Thomas thread breaking down the top 4 OTs That's a mighty strong endorsement of Becton. But if you're not gonna believe Joe Thomas who are you gonna believe?
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Honestly think Joe is prepping the Brown's faithful for Becton. He's still a company man
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Doltos posted:Queen's so tiny I can't believe he's being talked up as a top 25 pick but here we are. He has zero blocker shedding ability and relies on his speed so much, even when tackling. It's like watching a free safety blitz. Yeah when he doesn't get picked up he gets there super fast and causes a big disruption, but when he gets picked up he gets blanked. Had a big sack against Georgia that was pretty much entirely due to a wtf spin move after getting shoved into the turf by their LG. A bunch of his highlight sacks are coverage sacks too. Just so much time given to him by that awesome secondary they had the last two years. Pretty sure Jon Beason was about the same size coming out and he didn't hold up at all beyond year 4 or so and he had a solid group around him. I like Queen in the right team but yeah dude is going to get bashed and broken if he doesn't go to the right place. Beason had insanely good read and react and flowed through traffic really well though. BlindSite fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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What's up Ehud.
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