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I'd give it a watch tonight but none of the Ghoulies movies seem to be streaming anywhere. I would have thought they'd be locks for Tubitv.
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STAC Goat posted:I'd give it a watch tonight but none of the Ghoulies movies seem to be streaming anywhere. I would have thought they'd be locks for Tubitv. Sometimes it is, just not right now. I think Tubi has a rotating deal with Full Moon titles. It's probably on the Full Moon streaming service at the moment.
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STAC Goat posted:You know, I'm not sure if I've ever seen Ghoulies 2 now that I think of it. I liked the first one well enough but I think that's all I saw. I thought I hadn't seen Survival, but then I came across a Facebook memories post a few weeks ago which suggests that I enjoyed it. I have zero recollection of actually watching it, but I kind of trust past me. Then again I also thought Diary was okay, so 
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Apr 17, 2020 04:23
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I should give Diary a rewatch. I watched it right around the time found footage films were at their excess and I was being really pedantic about which movies followed "the rules" and which just did whatever they wanted to get in on the fad. Plus I was probably still annoyed by the last act of 28 Days Later and the military stuff. Maybe it wasn't as bad as I remember.
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STAC Goat posted:You know, I'm not sure if I've ever seen Ghoulies 2 now that I think of it. I liked the first one well enough but I think that's all I saw. I'm okay with how we don't get the little terrors earlier in Ghoulies. I really liked the house they were in. It's in the top three dream houses I would like to live in. As far as the NOTLD run goes, Romero should've ended it with Land. Diary and Survival felt like he was only cranking them out since the expectation is Romero = Zombies.
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Apr 17, 2020 07:01
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STAC Goat posted:I'd give it a watch tonight but none of the Ghoulies movies seem to be streaming anywhere. I would have thought they'd be locks for Tubitv. Do your part in defeating the zombie plague! Ghoulies III: Ghoulies Go To College (lol what?) https://tubitv.com/movies/369850 Ghoulies IV https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CNJK8KC?camp=1789&creativeASIN=B07CNJK8KC&ie=UTF8&linkCode=xm2&tag=justwatch09-20
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Apr 17, 2020 14:58
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Ghoulies IV is No True Goulie imo.
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No Ghoulies but I did watch Final Destination 5, and it turns out I really liked it. And I really liked 1. And 2 was ok. 3 and 4 were poo poo. But 2.5 good or 2 good and 1 meh ain't a bad hitting percentage. Does that beat Return? I'm torn. If I go simple numbers Return has... 1 good film. Maybe 2. Maybe 2.5. I'd probably say 1 good film and 2 half good films. But that 1 good film is better than either of FD's 2 good films. But is it better than both of them? Do I value one over two? And even though the Return bad 2 are bad I DO enjoy them more than the FD bad 2. Should that factor in and push the scales a bit? I'm really, really conflicted but I'm out of time. I think I'm still giving it to Return, but its really, really close and I did NOT think I'd be sitting here thinking of voting for Final Destination. My hat is off.
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Pittsburgh Results!   As expected, Night of the Living Dead just barely squeaked out a win vs the Ghoulies. And, despite a vigorous campaign on my behalf, Yuzna's unofficial continuation Return of the Living Dead has beaten the final apotheosis of the slasher in the Final Destination series.  I assumed Alien would take out Re-Animator with a NotLD-like trouncing, but Re-Animator really held its own here. I was not expecting a 2-seed to have so much trouble this early, but here we are. Personally, I don't like the Exorcist, and I think the sequels are middling at best, but here we are: Aliens vs Demons. And with that, your Western Bracket Sweet Six-Scream are set! Voting on Haddonfield bracket starts in a half hour or so when I get everything uploaded.
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Apr 18, 2020 17:41
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 Haddonfield Voting! This is where the rubber meets the road, as all of the entries here (except Pumpkinhead, arguably) possess both a deep catalog, an all-timer entrant and not too many dire sequels. Let's see how the voting shakes out.  VOTE NOW! VOTE HERE! Voting Ends 4/23!  Michael Myers vs the Blair Witch. Shagadelic, baby, yeah! Wait... what's that? It's a different Michael Myers? Oh. Oh no.  Leatherface is not very appealing to look at, but he at least isn't an ugly motherfucker.  Tremors is my sweetheart pick for this tournament, I think the fact that it is all about the inherent goodness of small-town folk and hillbilly ingenuity makes it a fun movie about giant killer sandworms. That said, Christopher Lee tho.   Pumpkinhead drew a very easy road here, but I can't imagine the Stan Winston creation has anything on Lecter. VOTE NOW! VOTE HERE! Voting Ends 4/23! e: Here's what our brackets look like now: 
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Apr 18, 2020 17:52
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I'm gonna have to really think about that Dracula vs. Tremors vote because I just have so much nostalgia for Tremors(and even Tremors 2). But I love Hammer so much.
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Apr 18, 2020 18:22
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Gonna have to watch Pumpkinhead 2 and Hannibal and/or Red Dragon before I vote. Which of the Blair Witch sequels were good/worth watching? edit: Return of the Living Dead had a great chance of winning against any other in its bracket, but is doomed to fail to Romero's. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Apr 18, 2020 |
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Apr 18, 2020 18:47
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^Remember Hannibal the show counts.^ I think it's important to remember: Tremors is a really good movie. Like it's a silly B-movie. But it has fun characters, cool monsters, but also a really good sense of geography. You always have a good sense of the town, where things are. It's this really important thing that you don't think about, but the film really hinges on it. It's a toss-up, but I went with Tremors with a "what would I want to throw on TV right now?" test. Gonna flip a poo poo if the Universal Monsters get bested by Chucky or Jason though. Also, campaigning hard that Evil Dead or Scream should beat Nightmare.
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Apr 18, 2020 18:54
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People don't talk enough about how good Predator 2 is. Predator 2 is a perfect example of how to do a sequel. It takes what worked in the original but moves it to a different location, with different characters. It's bigger than the first and expands on the lore in a way that feels natural. It codifies stuff implied in the first without limiting itself. And it has a fantastic performance from Danny Glover, which all sequels should have.
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Apr 18, 2020 18:58
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Tremors also has great editing and camera work, which no one ever brings up. An iconic shot is the pole vaulting on the rocks in rhythm. It’s not just because it’s pretty. It is three people, two rednecks and a learned scientist, working together through problem solving and outsmarting the monster, by being clever and using what they have on hand. They move together in sync because they are equals trying to overcome something bigger than them. It’s a great moment that shows what Tremors is all about, in about 5 seconds. Bookending this shot is Val and Earl jokingly competing over who’s the better pole vaulter and the three jumping into the truck at the same time, Val and Earl punching tentacles and Rhonda driving a truck with her hands, legs through a window. Perfect monster movie.
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Apr 18, 2020 19:01
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Tremors may well be the best movie in the matchup overall but I love Horror of Dracula, Prince of Darkness, Dracula Has Risen From The Grave, Taste the Blood of Dracula, and A.D 1972 so it's a tough decision.
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Apr 18, 2020 19:09
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Gripweed posted:People don't talk enough about how good Predator 2 is. Predator 2 is a perfect example of how to do a sequel. It takes what worked in the original but moves it to a different location, with different characters. It's bigger than the first and expands on the lore in a way that feels natural. It codifies stuff implied in the first without limiting itself. And it has a fantastic performance from Danny Glover, which all sequels should have. Predator 2 IS a good sequel. And it's a sequel to a movie that absolutely doesn't need a sequel; it does something different while trying to be a little similar (even though it changes the drama, too); and it has a great cast. However, it's competing against Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 which is one of the greatest horror sequels of all time. It has Dennis Hopper in a cowboy outfit duel wielding chainsaws,  Bill Mosely as a music-obsessed Vietnam vet with a metal plate in his head,  and sees the family from the original a commercial success with their cannibalistic barbecue.  It leans heavily into the phallic imagery of a giant chainsaw.  It's also the only other good interpretation of Leatherface.  Basebf555 posted:Tremors may well be the best movie in the matchup overall but I love Horror of Dracula, Prince of Darkness, Dracula Has Risen From The Grave, Taste the Blood of Dracula, and A.D 1972 so it's a tough decision. Oh yeah, the problem is Tremors is the best movie of the bunch, but Dracula's are consistently good whereas even Tremors 2 is a step down from the original. You easily named 5 Dracula movies, and I don't even think about watching Tremors 3, despite thinking it's fine.
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Seeing that Michael Mann's Manhunter is included with the Lecterverse I feel compelled to share my favorite Hannibal Lecter via Brian Cox, though I enjoy all the adaptations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN244X4OiLQ
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Apr 18, 2020 19:18
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Predator 2 isn't just a great sequel, it's a great movie by itself. The depiction of a crime-ridden, global warmingified future Los Angeles oozes character in practically every shot. It's great social satire and great sci-fi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dtMPVLDB2s Dialogue from Predator 2 was sampled in a Sister Souljah song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcWgPEUT_x0
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Apr 18, 2020 19:35
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Hammer Dracula movies might be the most overhyped thing in horror to me. Like, the performance anchoring the movies are good but the films overall are mostly trash. These votes were all super easy for me.
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Sarx posted:Hammer Dracula movies might be the most overhyped thing in horror to me. Like, the performance anchoring the movies are good but the films overall are mostly trash. These votes were all super easy for me. I agree with most of this. They're pretty movies with great sets but they're rather dull.
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Apr 18, 2020 20:13
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Including Manhunter made that vote easy for me.
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Apr 18, 2020 22:29
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You like Pumpkinhead enough that the choice was hard before?
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Predator is a perfect movie. Unfortunately it's going up against two perfect films and has a lot of dead weight of its own. Tremors is also a perfect movie and the first sequel is at least fun and the TV series is better than it has any right to be. I love Lee, but there's a reason he didn't talk in much of them and the best one wasn't even made by Hammer
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Shrecknet posted:You like Pumpkinhead enough that the choice was hard before? I dislike the other lecter movies that much!
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I'm going to watch the Tremors sequels over the next few days. Is it worth me trying to hunt down the Pumpkinhead sequels at all? I mean the first one was fine and it's a cool monster design but I can't find a stream anywhere and eeeeeh. Hammer Drac is just so good I'm sad at the prospect of losing it.
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BisonDollah posted:I'm going to watch the Tremors sequels over the next few days. Is it worth me trying to hunt down the Pumpkinhead sequels at all? I mean the first one was fine and it's a cool monster design but I can't find a stream anywhere and eeeeeh. You do not need to track down the Pumpkinhead sequels. One is only 'good' in that is features the obvious idea of summoning a Pumpkinhead to fight another Pumpkinhead
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Despite its presence in the tournament, I don't think I knew Pumpkinhead 3 and 4 existed until now.
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Franchescanado posted:Which of the Blair Witch sequels were good/worth watching? E// actually, I realized my writeup might be biased a bit. Book of Shadows is unconventional and a definite departure from what was expected of a sequel. It does have some aspirations, so it's not a soulless cash in, and the director did give some nods to horror flicks. Here's what he said about the themes: "This goes back to one of my core themes of this movie is that we, as a society, have so blurred the lines between fiction and reality, that we’re so willing to believe that The Blair Witch Project was… a real documentary, because we’re very lazy in our consumption of media" The Woods/ Blair Witch is ok. Think the original with a slightly better budget and some CGI work... which may or may not be your cup of tea. I thought it was competent and had one or two interesting elements but it didn't really stick with me or make me feel like it needed to be made. I do urge everyone to remember the insanely awesome short that ran on the SciFi channel in the lead up to the film, Curse of the Blair Witch. It really gave the film that extra mystique and weird Mysteries of the Unknown vibe thanks to "found" old footage. Arguably one of the best things to come out of the film's marketing. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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FilthyImp posted:The screenwriters were really, really proud of "The Secret of Esrever"  to myself for days.
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FilthyImp posted:Book of Secrets has a weird metaplot going on with poo poo you'll probably need a wikipage to get the whole view of. The screenwriters were really, really proud of "The Secret of Esrever" and making the most Hollywood sequel to a found footage film really alienated whatever fans were around. Curse of the Blair Witch was part of the viral marketing and provides essential backstory for the movie. Specifically, it's where you learn that Rustin Parr's house was destroyed. So all the complaints about "why didn't they follow the river" are meaningless - once the weird poo poo began, they weren't in 1995 any more. Book of Secrets is an odd fish. I walked out of it when it started contradicting the original. But then I wondered if that was the point, so I gave it a second try and it turned out that it was. (Before you ask, I pay a subscription for unlimited viewings.)
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Blair Witch 2 taught me that if you just throw some random nonsensical mysterious things into the print as the makings of a scavenger hunt that goes nowhere there will people who will get excited about your movie no matter how not great your movie is. Also the director was a documentarian who had a grudge against The Blair Witch Project because he felt the found footage and viral marketing besmirched the dignity of documentaries or something weird. I re-watched it in March to see if I was missing something. I'm sure I missed a backwards word or line of ialogue somewhere or something but I also feel content saying its a bad, mess of a movie. But then again maybe "that was the point"? In which case I still don't like it and now I don't like the filmmaker either.
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Book of Shadows is a weird duck for me. It's better than it's reputation and still not exactly good, maybe barely scraping ok, but for me it's more fun to watch than Blair Witch Project after an initial viewing.
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Book of Shadows owns - despite being a bit of a weird watch, it comes together in the end. Tremors 2 was okay, it was nice to see the original cast in 3 and the cowboy one is pretty loving boring. Jamie loving Kennedy is in the latest sequels? Oh boy. As cool as the first was I find it hard to entertain the thought these films bring more than Christopher DRACULA Lee.
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Jamie Kennedy isn't nearly as annoying in the Tremors sequels. I thought I would really hate them but they're both better than the cowboy one.
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Shrecknet, would you be able to post the original, complete version of the bracket with the full 64 on it?
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Apr 19, 2020 15:30
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I'll do you one better https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/185C0JcbRoBBdgzb6lww_eqGZn7ZRLL2sJ-51VmSizHQ/edit?usp=drivesdk
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TheKingslayer posted:Jamie Kennedy isn't nearly as annoying in the Tremors sequels. I thought I would really hate them but they're both better than the cowboy one. Tremors 5 is a whole different discussion than Tremors 6 for me. I actually liked Tremors 5, and agreed with your comment about Jamie Kennedy, he was fine it it. But Tremors 6 was just annoying, and I'm not even sure how to explain it. All the sudden the characters, even Burt, were just grating assholes and I had a hard time not rooting for them to get eaten.
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Basebf555 posted:Tremors 5 is a whole different discussion than Tremors 6 for me. I actually liked Tremors 5, and agreed with your comment about Jamie Kennedy, he was fine it it. But Tremors 6 was just annoying, and I'm not even sure how to explain it. All the sudden the characters, even Burt, were just grating assholes and I had a hard time not rooting for them to get eaten. Yeah I’ve seen every movie and the one season of the TV show and 6 was the only one I didn’t enjoy. I even liked the stupid cowboy one.
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Isn't Burt always kind of a dick? I mean, not enough for me to want him to get eaten by a giant worm but enough for it to make sense that Reba leaves him because he can't cope with the Cold War being over. I'm finishing up 2 now and reserving my vote until I can see if I can burn through at least enough of these to give it a fair play. 2 ain't half bad. A clear step down on the original but still a fairly fun B monster flick. But I'm also kind of debating weighing into the Predator pool now since TCM is kind of wearing me out with the later entries and I sorta want to give Predator a chance to beat it. Halloween and Hannibal are probably easy votes for me.
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