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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I'm trying hard mode and I don't think this was tested at all. The loving dog in chapter 3 one shots tifa with throat chomp, goes super sayian and one shots cloud next and it's like wow thanks for playing this is stupid as gently caress. You're supposed to interrupt the dog with magic when it does that move Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Johnny is bad but I can't pretend that he, Wedge, and other Naruto style one dimensional characters haven't been a part of Final Fantasy from the beginning. Did anyone else have issues with Tifa's depiction? I appreciate the angle of conflicted revolutionary who is uncomfortable with violence but I think they went too far with it. She oscillates somewhat between hyper capable and emotionally fragile. Given the events of the remake that kind of makes sense. She went through a lot in a few days. Still, I'll be disappointed if this waffling characterization persists through the sequels.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:06
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Tifa even in the original game was more emotionally fragile than Aerith, before she got Flanderized by the EU.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:15
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Johnny is bad but I can't pretend that he, Wedge, and other Naruto style one dimensional characters haven't been a part of Final Fantasy from the beginning. I think it works pretty well, personally. I imagine that she'll go through some sort of arc- my understanding is at this point in the original FF7 this is basically where she was too, they just got more chance to show it because this game was 4x the length. My big issue is actually Barrett. Tons of great stuff with Marlene, interesting dialogue about the meaning of being a revolutionary and the necessity to commit violence, fantastic poo poo... aaaand a lot of the other time he's still a weird blaxsploitation caricature in a way i really hoped would get some updating. v.v It sucks, because a lot of the time he's great.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:17
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Agree about Barrett. That dude who calmly explains to Tifa not to blame herself for the actions of their enemies is on point. Even the Barrett that gets bombastic talking about his political mission is great, we've all met (or been) that dude at the bar. Over the top zany/angry Barrett just doesn't quite mesh with the rest of his character.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:26
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?? He's one of the better VAs
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The VA absolutely kills it. The writing is the occasional problem with Barrett.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMcOghT2nw
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Apr 19, 2020 20:29
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Barret was 100% awesome through and through in this game. His lines, his characterization, his delivery. Barret is da best.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:31
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I notice that one, too. Squeenix absolutely knew what they were doing with those moves. Hell, the video even missed one: Rude can also do Triple Geyser.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:31
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The thing about Barrett is that he's the most sensitive character in the game. Like the dude is 400 pounds of heart, and literally everything he does is at 120% emotion and earnestness. If they toned him down even slightly it'd be a mistake.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:40
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I can see from where people discuss about how Barret talks but on the flipside I've grown up with people who talk like that so it feels weird to label it automatically as 'bad'.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:40
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I thought Tifa's depiction was great, being conflicted but going along with it because she wants to feel part of a group and be loyal to her friends is extremely human, closing her ears and going "La la la I can't hearrr youuuu" whenever anything relating to Cloud's delusions comes up because she is desperate to cling onto the one piece of her childhood home that has come back into her life is extremely believable, and her immediate and rapidly strengthening friendship with Aeris was wonderful.
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Mulva posted:The thing about Barrett is that he's the most sensitive character in the game. Like the dude is 400 pounds of heart Now now, we have on good authority that he's actually a 300 pound sack of poo poo Ms Adequate posted:and her immediate and rapidly strengthening friendship with Aeris was wonderful. Yeah this was one of my absolute favorite things about the game, they are both so very good so it stands to reason that they are also good together
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Ms Adequate posted:I thought Tifa's depiction was great, being conflicted but going along with it because she wants to feel part of a group and be loyal to her friends is extremely human, closing her ears and going "La la la I can't hearrr youuuu" whenever anything relating to Cloud's delusions comes up because she is desperate to cling onto the one piece of her childhood home that has come back into her life is extremely believable, and her immediate and rapidly strengthening friendship with Aeris was wonderful. I really liked the scene with Tifa and Cloud outside Aerith's house, where they actually share an intimate moment before he starts crushing her in a bearhug because he's got some, uh, issues
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Speaking on Barret, I know why Tifa and Aerith never seriously push the Whats Wrong With Cloud button but Barret absolutely should raise the question of why this dude keep having crippling headaches, spacing way the hell out and in the Hojo labs staggered toward the elevator for 30 seconds muttering to himself before face planting. I think he'll ask Cloud if he's had enough sleep in Aeriths old cell and like nah come on man.
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Apr 19, 2020 20:51
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Caidin posted:Speaking on Barret, I know why Tifa and Aerith never seriously push the Whats Wrong With Cloud button but Barret absolutely should raise the question of why this dude keep having crippling headaches, spacing way the hell out and in the Hojo labs staggered toward the elevator for 30 seconds muttering to himself before face planting. Considering all the crazy poo poo Cloud can do maybe he just thinks it's a SOLDIER thing.
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Barrett forcing the issue would be a great segue into the Kalm flashback.
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How come there’s an Aerith battle in the Shinra simulator if it’s impossible to have her in your party during that chapter? E: Apparently you need to do it from chapter 17. Huh. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I'm trying hard mode and I don't think this was tested at all. The loving dog in chapter 3 one shots tifa with throat chomp, goes super sayian and one shots cloud next and it's like wow thanks for playing this is stupid as gently caress. Status effects make that fight trivial. Hard is about working out the puzzle and then executing. Even more so than normal. Normal lets you get away with more on the execution side, hard forces you to get further into the puzzle side. At least that's how I'm finding it.
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Pollyanna posted:How come there’s an Aerith battle in the Shinra simulator if it’s impossible to have her in your party during that chapter? I think in chapter 17 Hardmode Chadly will get your attention and directly to a Shinra VR room that wasn't there before.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I really liked the scene with Tifa and Cloud outside Aerith's house, where they actually share an intimate moment before he starts crushing her in a bearhug because he's got some, uh, issues Yeah I loved that scene, both for showing how much losing the bar and Sector 7 hurt Tifa ("They took everything from us, again" hurt my heart) and because Cloud not knowing how to comfort her except "Uhhhh hug tighter?" is very on point
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Caidin posted:I think in chapter 17 Hardmode Chadly will get your attention and directly to a Shinra VR room that wasn't there before. poo poo, does it have to be hard mode? Edit: nope! Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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Pollyanna posted:poo poo, does it have to be hard mode? Uh... In retrospect I don't actually know. I guess it could just be on a replay.
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Ms Adequate posted:and her immediate and rapidly strengthening friendship with Aeris was wonderful. See I really liked this part too and it makes it even odder the old FFVII shipping contingent has crawled out the woodwork to write essays on how the two secretly hate each other or how the other one is actually an awful person. It's so loving weird. I seriously don't understand how they can so worked up about this poo poo.
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Apr 19, 2020 21:33
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Tifa and Aerith are straight up Giggly Girls with each other from their first scene
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DeathChicken posted:Tifa and Aerith are straight up Giggly Girls with each other from their first scene I know right!? They don't have an ounce of animosity between them and they're both lovely people. Imagine dedicating half your day to writing a forty page argument on how one or the other was actually the original intended love interest and the other is a fraud and or a ho. The reason I'm being vague here is the same argument crops up on both sides incessantly and I'm just baffled. Of all the things to be upset about in this game.....
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Caidin posted:Uh... In retrospect I don't actually know. I guess it could just be on a replay. I was wrong, it’s hard mode only. Sort of. The advanced missions are difficulty-locked, but the rest is fine.
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Flopsy posted:I know right!? They don't have an ounce of animosity between them and they're both lovely people. Imagine dedicating half your day to writing a forty page argument on how one or the other was actually the original intended love interest and the other is a fraud and or a ho. I mean, let's be honest. A lot of peoples perception of Final Fantasy VII is taken from the lens of other peoples experience. It's why I find it funny whenever I see somebody say that they think the characters are changed from the original or surprised that Aerith is so spunky and Tifa is a ball of insecurity at times. That was always there. But with the presentation turned up to 15 and everything being voiced it's just *more*. Pollyanna posted:I was wrong, it’s hard mode only. Sort of. The advanced missions are difficulty-locked, but the rest is fine. At least only the difficulty you select in the Simulator matters. You can be playing it on easy and still be able to do the mission.
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Also this game really needs a scene select within the chapter select because I don’t wanna have to go through 70% of Wall Market to get Aerith’s L2 limit break 
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Zaa Boogie posted:I mean, let's be honest. A lot of peoples perception of Final Fantasy VII is taken from the lens of other peoples experience. I feel like it's more that they crave a particular kind of conflict and when none is presented they have to stretch the limits of their imaginations to justify it's "presence".
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Flopsy posted:I feel like it's more that they crave a particular kind of conflict and when none is presented they have to stretch the limits of their imaginations to justify it's "presence". That's also part of it!
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Aerith has always been the original manic pixie dream girl. Tifa was always stock anime childhood friend who grows up to be be super hot and thirsty for the main character. They are better fleshed out in FF7R for sure. My problem with Barrett is that he rapidly goes from original FF7 "literally Mr T" to an actual character. Sometimes in the same scene. I can't tell if it's bad writing or they've just never actually interacted with actual African Americans. I don't really see Tifa as emotionally fragile though. Because she breaks down for a bit after seeing her friends killed and home crushed?
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i didnt mind the mr. t stuff with barret as much as maybe i should have because it always came across as him putting on a character to keep up morale for the rest of the group. i thought he was genuine often enough that i didn't feel any ill intent from the writing
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Apr 19, 2020 22:21
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The Puppy Bowl posted:The VA absolutely kills it. The writing is the occasional problem with Barrett. Barret screaming "I'm here to take the load off your shoulders!!!!" at the train station made me love him. He's the heart and soul.
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Apr 19, 2020 22:28
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Spite posted:actual African Americans. He's a cartoon character.
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I can't think of a single one of Barret's lines in the remake where he didn't kill it. That little pause before he says "Up Your rear end" at Shinra HQ had me dying.
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Spite posted:Aerith has always been the original manic pixie dream girl. I feel like Barret would be more offensive if he wasn't so drat earnest and lovable. Yeah he's a blaxploitation character with a gun arm. He's also obviously a loyal friend who cares deeply for everyone around him and an extremely loving doting father. All the characters have what could considered a bit of two dimensional-ness to them but the writing is good enough to pull them off.
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Apr 19, 2020 22:31
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The scene after the plate collapse where he more or less tells Cloud "I'm asking very nicely that you lie to me and say things are okay" was great
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JBP posted:Barret screaming "I'm here to take the load off your shoulders!!!!" at the train station made me love him. He's the heart and soul. things like this and the song he sings when you sidetrack to get the Chocobo summon are why I love him
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