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Communist Thoughts posted:the first vaccine is definitely gonna be poison lol lol I worked with one of them in a biomed company, the "we're really confident" bit is absolutely just bluster Pretty sure they're throwing poo poo at the wall and praying that it works, at least that's how it was. e: OTOH it's probably a good thing to make more of it just in case. It's largely paid for by investors anyway. It costs eye-watering sums to do trials. Private Speech has issued a correction as of 16:21 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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The real issue IMO is going to be the pressure for the trials to pass. If they fail, and was only building one factory in advance that's going to look real bad - even if the vaccine is literal poison that's tomorrow's problem versus saying that vaccinations have started.
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What the gently caress, is this even in English? What's wrong with your idiot country?
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gonadic io posted:The real issue IMO is going to be the pressure for the trials to pass. If they fail, and was only building one factory in advance that's going to look real bad - even if the vaccine is literal poison that's tomorrow's problem versus saying that vaccinations have started. I have no idea how it would be in such a high-profile case, but from what I've seen the later-stage trials are kept pretty separated from the researchers precisely for that reason. It's on an entirely different level than publishing a spurious "vaccines cause autism" research paper which has very little scrutiny in comparison. It would have to be government pressure that I'd be more worried about, if anything. e: I'm not even sure if the later trials are being done in the UK, it's not necessarily the case. Private Speech has issued a correction as of 16:57 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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nikosoft posted:What the gently caress, is this even in English? What's wrong with your idiot country? it's in english, yes. mike gapes speaks plain english. he's a straightforward guy.
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Apr 19, 2020 16:45
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Congrats https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1251915965484404738
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Apr 19, 2020 18:02
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nikosoft posted:What the gently caress, is this even in English? What's wrong with your idiot country? Do you have severe issues with reading comprehension OP? I am asking in good faith.
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Apr 19, 2020 18:11
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i think it's the use of "big shop" as a proper noun that might be causing the confusion
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Apr 19, 2020 18:40
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https://twitter.com/Porter_Anderson/status/1251893204288405504 bro he's been in the hospital
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I'm the implication that Piers Morgan and Boris Johnson have ever not been on the same side.
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Apr 19, 2020 19:28
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Maybe once on the lacrosse pitch back in Bullwinkle's academy for youngsters with societally gifted parents.
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nikosoft posted:What the gently caress, is this even in English? What's wrong with your idiot country? You, see there is milk that comes from cows in the south
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gonadic io posted:Maybe once on the lacrosse pitch back in Bullwinkle's academy for youngsters with societally gifted parents. ruggers. lacrosse is a girls game but lol
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Apr 19, 2020 20:35
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gonadic io posted:I'm the implication that Piers Morgan and Boris Johnson have ever not been on the same side. morgan's minion did chase johnson into a refridgerator
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Communist Thoughts posted:ruggers. lacrosse is a girls game It's just rugger, if you say ruggers it sets off the pleb infiltrator alarm
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Apr 19, 2020 22:07
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let's play soccers
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Man Musk posted:https://twitter.com/Porter_Anderson/status/1251893204288405504 "we didn't think he was ACTUALLY a dumbass" says people supporting pm dumbass
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Apr 19, 2020 22:09
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no one on the human world of earth cares what piers morgan thinks about any topic
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Squizzle posted:no one on the human world of earth cares what piers morgan thinks about any topic My old boss loved him
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i care deeply about how strangely proud he was about that drawing of him huffing trump's farts.
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Gum posted:My old boss loved him What is it like working for someone who has been lobotomised?
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Man Musk posted:https://twitter.com/Porter_Anderson/status/1251893204288405504 Trump: Hmm yes it's about time I dropped the act and started behaving intelligently and responsibly.
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Private Speech posted:I have no idea how it would be in such a high-profile case, but from what I've seen the later-stage trials are kept pretty separated from the researchers precisely for that reason. It's on an entirely different level than publishing a spurious "vaccines cause autism" research paper which has very little scrutiny in comparison. It would have to be government pressure that I'd be more worried about, if anything. Trust me, there are lots of little ways to disappear inconvenient clinical trial data if the sponsor is under pressure to produce a particular result -- and regulators are frustratingly bad at picking up on them. That said, it's still way more common for it to happen by accident or through incompetence than deliberately.
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Pipski posted:Trust me, there are lots of little ways to disappear inconvenient clinical trial data if the sponsor is under pressure to produce a particular result -- and regulators are frustratingly bad at picking up on them. That said, it's still way more common for it to happen by accident or through incompetence than deliberately. Fair enough, just saying it's not as easy as the researchers making up whatever false data they want, unlike with publishing a spurious paper. e: I've only ever seen a few that were done by my former employer, so I'm sure you're more knowledgeable. That said it was by far the least bollocks part of the industry. Private Speech has issued a correction as of 15:41 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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There was a trial recently where the sponsor straight up submitted the wrong data, regulators immediately sent it back and they can't resubmit for a year lol
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MikeCrotch posted:There was a trial recently where the sponsor straight up submitted the wrong data, regulators immediately sent it back and they can't resubmit for a year lol Right, and that was the result. Compared to that the PR information makes every pharmaceutical seem like panacea that will cure half a dozen things at once, just need to get the inconvenient testing out of the way, honest guv. Private Speech has issued a correction as of 15:55 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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This is greatly reassuring to me, thanks.
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What's going on here, lads? https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1252266724449230848?s=19 https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1252296366442905603?s=19
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her name badge says Mia. loving tory scum
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The British press is finding out Boris...is bad?! And dumb?! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/20/boris-johnson-sunday-times-prime-minister-coronavirus
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times
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at least he isn't mean old anti-semite jeremy corbyn
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Private Speech posted:Fair enough, just saying it's not as easy as the researchers making up whatever false data they want, unlike with publishing a spurious paper. It's only ... six or seven years ago iirc that multiple phase 3 trials had to be expensively rerun because it turned out some investigators in Russia and China weren't just making up results, they were making up the existence of the patients entirely. But relative to most of what the industry does, you're right, it's generally fairly well intentioned.
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:The British press is finding out Boris...is bad?! And dumb?! At least he didn't promise to subsidise all businesses in the country "except for the ones owned by the you-know-who, they definitely have enough money already" like a certain former leader of the opposition
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:The British press is finding out Boris...is bad?! And dumb?! Didn't she write a column about how Boris was going to do things with a 'smile' or some other drooling liberal/centrist banality?
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i think perhaps the british elite managed to genuinely con themselves into believing that johnson was anything but an overprivileged, lazy, entitled rear end in a top hat
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Olympic Mathlete posted:What's going on here, lads? https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252342364644929536?s=20 Well I guess that's all sorted then. No further questions.
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Getting some real Scarfolk vibes from some of the government ads recently WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T
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So it's definitely true then. Those accounts all disappeared within 2 minutes of each other and then anyone who shared the initial story got the above reply to their tweets. 
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:at least he isn't mean old anti-semite jeremy corbyn while the coronavirus has killed hundreds of thousands worldwide, just think how much antisemitism in the labour party would have killed
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