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So...Can someone give me the long and short of what's gonna happen and how hosed the UK/Britain is?
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Feb 1, 2020 01:37
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Pretty much almost nothing has changed for the average Brit since 6 months ago, because most of the effects of Brexit have been delayed yet again until Jan 1, 2021. As of today, the main difference is that the UK is no longer a part of the decision-making process of the EU. How and what will change depends on the deal that is agreed upon between now and then, if any. Hard Brexit is still possible, and now the EU has little reason to negotiate fairly other than out of an interest to avoid causing a humanitarian crisis. In the meantime the US is doing their best to swoop in and negotiate a trade deal that will allow them to become the UK's most influential trading partner, though presumably they have competition from the EU and China and other major powers. How that unfolds will be interesting, so stay tuned! twoday has issued a correction as of 01:46 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 01:41
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doomrider7 posted:So...Can someone give me the long and short of what's gonna happen and how hosed the UK/Britain is? When they leave the EU they are gonna be hosed. Most likely gonna lose Northern Ireland, and all their trade partners. Scotland might leave them too
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Feb 1, 2020 01:44
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Well, post what I was gonna post before: How likely is the EU to give Britain more than Jan 2021 to negotiate trade deals before it truly becomes the garbage fire it desperately wants to be? Mostly want to start thread watching once things pop off and avoid the Tory gloating until then.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:45
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From the first page of last thread, "oh how we laughed"quote:The New York Times posted: & Twoday, I replied to you, but thread got blapped before I managed to hit enter : Yeah, mother has limited voting here, despite living here for almost 50 years. staberind has issued a correction as of 01:52 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 01:46
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Someone marry me so I can flee I'll punish your posting enemies
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Feb 1, 2020 01:48
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Isizzlehorn posted:Well, post what I was gonna post before: How likely is the EU to give Britain more than Jan 2021 to negotiate trade deals before it truly becomes the garbage fire it desperately wants to be? I don't think there were many, if any, tories in the last thread I think by now the EU is sick of endless negotiating, and having a whole extra year seems more than enough to negotiate a deal. IIRC they have already figured out a solution to the Northern Ireland problem, which was to make the trade border effectively be between NI and Britain, enforced by the UK entirely (which allows of course for a tremendous loophole of smuggling opportunities, and various other problems). I think most of the extension is to grant even further time for companies and governments to adjust to the reality of things, and work out some small kinks
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Feb 1, 2020 01:50
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Jose posted:Someone marry me so I can flee I'll punish your posting enemies unusual meter but the couplet works
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Feb 1, 2020 01:50
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Not someone in the us I want to move somewhere good
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Feb 1, 2020 01:52
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Squizzle posted:unusual meter but the couplet works 
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Feb 1, 2020 01:52
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Jose posted:Someone marry me so I can flee I'll punish your posting enemies what's the dowry here, do you have claim to any titles?
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Feb 1, 2020 01:53
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Happy Independence Day to you!
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Feb 1, 2020 01:53
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Over Easy posted:Happy Independence Day to you! british people don't undersand Independence they have have a queen
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Feb 1, 2020 01:55
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twoday posted:what's the dowry here, do you have claim to any titles? I'll make sure you get to be ik in the new fast food forum that might be made
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Feb 1, 2020 01:56
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Over Easy posted:Happy Independence Day to you! We have not declared Marshall Law, quite yet. this will probably get p. hairy though.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:56
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Jose posted:I'll make sure you get to be ik in the new fast food forum that might be made hop on the ferry at newcastle before they shut down the port due to coronavirus, you have yourself a husband
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Feb 1, 2020 01:58
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bring mushroom ketchup and cider
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Feb 1, 2020 01:59
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twoday posted:bring mushroom ketchup and cider
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Feb 1, 2020 02:00
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twoday posted:Pretty much almost nothing has changed for the average Brit since 6 months ago, because most of the effects of Brexit have been delayed yet again until Jan 1, 2021. As of today, the main difference is that the UK is no longer a part of the decision-making process of the EU. How and what will change depends on the deal that is agreed upon between now and then, if any. Hard Brexit is still possible, and now the EU has little reason to negotiate fairly other than out of an interest to avoid causing a humanitarian crisis. What would this mean for the country who gets the nod?
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Feb 1, 2020 02:34
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doomrider7 posted:What would this mean for the country who gets the nod? well, the UK's previous trade agreements were all within the context of the EU, which functioned as a single economic block. Now the UK economy is up for grabs, and they are starting from a nearly blank slate. So now the US, for instance, can arrange entirely new trade deals. One thing the US is keen to do recently is trade food. This is because the regulations for food production in the US are much less stringent than in the EU. So for instance, GMO vegetables are banned in the EU, as well as various techniques for processing meat, such as the famous "chlorinated chicken." If the US can secure a trade deal with with the UK that allows them to sell these products there, there are substantial profits to be made. Because the US rules are laxer, it makes production of these products cheaper. So if the US secures a trade deal with the UK that allows these products to be imported (which would have been a violation of EU law), then the US sellers can undercut the European and British chicken farmers, and sell much cheaper products, and thus sell a lot of chicken, and thus make more money. Now that the UK is free from EU regulations, they can arrange such deals. Also, the tories are pushing to defund the NHS and privatize healthcare. America is also heavily involved in the private healthcare industry, and it would stand to gain a lot if similar things happened in the British healthcare system. Now, apply that logic to China and the EU and the other big global trading powers. Pretty much, the UK is now for sale. Whoever woos them with the best offer can influence their laws in a way that was not previously possible, and secure a lot of potential profit.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:44
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Conversely, this is bad for UK consumers. Because the UK is a much smaller economy than the entire EU, which it was a part of when it made previous deals, that means that they now have much less leverage in negotiations with larger economies and fewer regulatory protections. They're on their own However the UK can not sustain itself and
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Feb 1, 2020 02:51
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twoday posted:Conversely, this is bad for UK consumers. Basically more lovely made foods with more cancer/disease causing ingredients and an allowable % of vermin poo poo and factory waste.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:05
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yeah, but I was also using the food industry as an example. The tories want to privatize everything, and shift control from public towards private interests. The same process will occur with regards to energy resources, healthcare, airlines, and pretty much all sectors of the economy. Brexit under a tory government provides a blank slate which feckless corporate interests can exploit. for instance, one thing the brexiteers used as propaganda was the fishing industry. Under the EU laws, much of the fishing rights in UK waters went to European (largely Dutch and Spanish) ships. British fishers were told that Brexit would "give them back control" of their waters. Not true! The fishing rights will remain in control of the european fishers because the tories don't actually give a poo poo about the british fishers, and want only to make as much profit as possible, which they can do by selling the fishing rights to european megacorps and not to poor british fishers. twoday has issued a correction as of 03:28 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 03:14
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The UK voters are not happy with me--that's okay, I'll still keep eating that herring.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:19
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twoday posted:yeah, but I was also using the food industry as an example. The tories want to privatize everything, and shift control from public towards private interests. The same process will occur with regards to energy resources, healthcare, airlines, and pretty much all sectors of the economy. Brexit under a tory government provides a blank slate which corporations can exploit. this article owns lol https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/business/grimsby-brexit.html
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Feb 1, 2020 03:20
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do we know what brexit means yet?
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Feb 1, 2020 03:24
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GSD posted:do we know what brexit means yet? it means jose is joining the IDF
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Feb 1, 2020 03:27
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GSD posted:do we know what brexit means yet? turn off ur monitor
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Feb 1, 2020 03:28
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Jose posted:Not someone in the us I want to move somewhere good What if Bernie wins?
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Feb 1, 2020 03:47
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the other thing about the fishing industry is that the particular fish which any individual country eats were cemented into nationalist tradition centuries ago, and for various reasons including climate change since the Little Ice Age, British consumers no longer desire the fish which are available in their own waters. Fish and Chips needs whitefish, which are now more commonly found in Nordic and Icelandic waters; and the sprats and langoustines and octopodes which are found in British waters are more commonly consumed in Scandinavia, France, Portugal and elsewhere abroad where there are stronger traditions and commercial demands for them. British waters are filled with herring for instance, and while there is a demand in the UK for kippers it's not strong enough to consume all of the British herring, so much of it must be sold to places like Holland and Sweden for the fishers to turn a decent profit. This great exchange of fish worked much more smoothly under a single market. Now, even if the British had control of their waters (which they won't), it wouldn't do them much good because they would be catching a bunch of fish that Brits don't want to eat. Imagine 4 fish that can't be used to make fish and chips lying on the edge of a British fishing boat. Brexit works the same way.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:52
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roarpower posted:british people don't undersand Independence they have have a queen one queen to share among an entire island of Independent Kings
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Feb 1, 2020 03:57
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Isizzlehorn posted:Well, post what I was gonna post before: How likely is the EU to give Britain more than Jan 2021 to negotiate trade deals before it truly becomes the garbage fire it desperately wants to be? probably not much longer given how the tories nationalist mentality means they can't actually negotiate at all EU's stance on Britain: alright you can leave but uh we're not giving you all those huge concessions we made to get you to join the eu Britain's stance on EU: as a world superpower with the strongest army and the best industry, you would be ruined without us
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Feb 1, 2020 03:58
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Over Easy posted:one queen to share among an entire island of Independent Kings no. you stupid people still have a monarchy in 2020. You are supposed to be a first world country
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Feb 1, 2020 04:10
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Over Easy posted:one queen to share among an entire island of Independent Kings roarpower posted:no. you stupid people still have a monarchy in 2020. You are supposed to be a first world country
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Feb 1, 2020 04:10
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so when's Scotland gonna sack up and leave
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Feb 1, 2020 04:13
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Agean90 posted:so when's Scotland gonna sack up and leave
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Feb 1, 2020 04:14
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i think the mistake people are making is assuming that britain is "a country" or a "nation state" anymore. it isn't. it is a bunch of land that surrounds london, and london itself is not a city, it is a gigantic washing machine for billions of dollars of blood money that flows into it from gulf states and various oligarchs and organized crime groups all around the world. it is a ghost land where ghost acts stand in for real change. brexit, like the gulf war, did not really happen. this is why i am struggling to engage with the labour leadership race - until they recognize these facts about "the united kingdom", there is no hope.
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Feb 1, 2020 04:16
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same but the global economy
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Feb 1, 2020 04:28
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thank GOD there's a new british politics thread because I tried to post in the last one to ask something and it was closed so what I want to know is what does brexit mean
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