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Lord_Hambrose posted:Counterpoint: Necromunda is incredible and well supported. Agreeeeeeeeeeeed
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I’m only in it to paint little men really, but I play with laid back people and the ten or so NM games I’ve played have all been great fun. As noted, the state of the rulebooks at the moment means a rules lawyer will kill your interest within ten minutes of your first game. I don’t keep up or care about the rules at all, and just trust my buddies not to take the piss.
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Apr 19, 2020 14:08
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The best concept ever to come out of GW rules was Andy Chambers' "if you have a conflict, roll 1d6 and one person gets their interpretation on 1-3 and the other 4-6." It's streamlined so many games but it drives people who are there to win up the wall because they have their lists all figured out and the rules that benefit them memorized.
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Apr 19, 2020 14:49
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:The best concept ever to come out of GW rules was Andy Chambers
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Apr 19, 2020 15:48
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:The best concept ever to come out of GW rules was Andy Chambers' "if you have a conflict, roll 1d6 and one person gets their interpretation on 1-3 and the other 4-6." It's streamlined so many games but it drives people who are there to win up the wall because they have their lists all figured out and the rules that benefit them memorized. I dunno, I'm just partial to rules that are clear and don't have that much wiggle room.
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Apr 19, 2020 17:02
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Where are rules for BB teams kept? Did snotling rules already exist but they didn’t have models? Or are team rules packaged with the kit of models?
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Apr 20, 2020 01:49
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Do the Necromunda gang boxes have sufficient options for alternate equipment load outs? Like the Cawdor box set; the sprues kind of seems like there aren’t options for weapons, the dudes just are what the are.
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Apr 20, 2020 05:34
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TURGID TOMFOOLERY posted:Do the Necromunda gang boxes have sufficient options for alternate equipment load outs? You get some but not all options. Like the Escher box doesn't come with a heavy stubber, chainsword or a plasma gun, even though you can buy them when you start a gang. For that you need to buy forgeworld resin weapon sets or convert from otther 40K bits. But you still get lots more weapons than you need for ten minis, so you can customize your starting gang.
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Apr 20, 2020 06:24
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Yeah, the recommended Escher starting gang needs 7 lasguns or something, I don’t think the starting box and a blister pack could even get you so many. If you’re going down the rabbit hole, Forge World have three different weapon packs for Eschers at least, and packs of different heads too. Standard modelling glue will not work on resin, either. Thoroughly wash and dry the resin, and use superglue (or whatever your local equivalent is).
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Apr 20, 2020 08:55
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Torquemada posted:Yeah, the recommended Escher starting gang needs 7 lasguns or something
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Apr 20, 2020 10:09
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Safety Factor posted:May as well wear a shirt that says COWARD across the front. You can still cram in six lasguns from one box, and then you don't need to model on the lasgun if they carry other stuff as well. So you get plenty enough IMHO, the lack of heavy guns is more of a bummer but that's more from a rule of cool perspective than for making an optimal load-out.
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Apr 20, 2020 10:32
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The cawdor box doesn't come with a long rifle which is a bit of a bummer since it's such a useful weapon for your BS 3+ Champions.
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Apr 20, 2020 11:10
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Gorefiend posted:I dunno, I'm just partial to rules that are clear and don't have that much wiggle room. Same. As I had to run campaigns at my FLGS, I also ran into various balance issues, like "does the dominion discount to poison weapons applies to combi needlers," "do cards that just remove two troopers at the start of the battle seem op" and "how much fun are we having with all those psychic familiars" and "how about overwatch heavy stubbers." You folks are acting like it's the typos and terrible balance that make Necro fun - and not the fact that you have rules for friendly fire, falling off ledges and grenades going on their little adventures. gently caress, Infinity is tightly written and still loads of fun dumb poo poo happen - no need for sloppy rules with OP abilities (Overseer), skill trees that have 5 useless skills and one good one (Brawn or Ferocity, I forget) useless stats (Leadership) and supplement treadmill that produces even more broken gear combos when the previous ones hadn't been addressed yet. I already paid money and painted the miniatures, I shouldn't have to be fighting the rulebook! Looking at you too, Chain of Command! And yes, we had a mix of competitive players, ranging from relative benign "no Helot will ever see a doctor as it's cheaper to buy new ones" to "quit the campaign because I had to houserule things."
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Apr 20, 2020 12:15
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JcDent posted:Same. It's been my experience that GW games in general require a fair amount of trust between players, which means "fun" campaigns like Kill Team campaigns and Necromunda were not fun with randos, IME. Campaigns with old friends who see dumb OP stuff like to call it out, we discuss counter plays, and work with each other for a better experience among ourselves. No gaming is better than bad gaming, and you should play what and with who you want. 
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Apr 20, 2020 15:08
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The Cawdor and Delaque boxes are two of the worst for variety, but just building the coolest looking models is a smart move. Playing to win hard is a Fools errand. I had to buy both Delaware weapon packs to get the starting gang, but Escher and Goliath both had a pretty good variety in them.
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Apr 20, 2020 15:49
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I'd much rather have book creep that is actually adding really good content even if the balance is rough to the alternative of no support. Look at poor kill team beyond some early release cycle hype it's hardly gotten any support and some factions are more or less broken even in the annual.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:12
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Just wanted to check here since I read the Titanicus Errata on Acastus Knight and I don't fully understand it  . I have a few I can no longer fit in my big Titan list due to the points increase, so wanted to check how I could put together a Knights only list with them along with a few extra baby knight purchases.Can I run this at 1500pts - Lance A Banner 1 - Acastus Porph Banner 2 - Acastus Porph Banner 3 - Questoris with guns Lance B 3 banners of 2 Cerastus Lancers Lance C 3 x 3 Questoris with guns and melee.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:19
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Harkano posted:Just wanted to check here since I read the Titanicus Errata on Acastus Knight and I don't fully understand it Acastus Knights, having the Auxiliary Knight Banner special rule can't be a part of the Lance and the text reads "No Knight Banner within a Lance may be an Auxiliary Knight Banner."
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Apr 20, 2020 16:32
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Harkano posted:Just wanted to check here since I read the Titanicus Errata on Acastus Knight and I don't fully understand it In short, no. Acastus can't be part of a Lance any longer, so you'd need to fill out the Lance with Cerastus and Questoris knights. Then, for each complete Lance you have, you can have 1 supporting banner of Acastus knights. Each Acastus banner is now limited to 2 Acastus (rather than 4) and they increased the points cost of each one. So the most you can reasonably fit at 1500 would be two Acastus. Two Lances, each with three banners of three Questoris with a melee weapon and a gun each, and then two support Acastus in separate banners. You could maybe squeeze a third Acastus into one of those banners by going double melee or melee/avenger on some of the Questoris, but I think you're much better off not doing that and instead adding more knights to the list instead and running some Lancers over all Questoris.
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Apr 20, 2020 17:03
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ThoraxTheImpaler posted:Acastus Knights, having the Auxiliary Knight Banner special rule can't be a part of the Lance and the text reads "No Knight Banner within a Lance may be an Auxiliary Knight Banner." The Gate posted:In short, no. Acastus can't be part of a Lance any longer, so you'd need to fill out the Lance with Cerastus and Questoris knights. Then, for each complete Lance you have, you can have 1 supporting banner of Acastus knights. Each Acastus banner is now limited to 2 Acastus (rather than 4) and they increased the points cost of each one. Thanks I definitely was getting that nerf vibe, I guess people were taking too many! So theoretically I could have - Lance A - 3x 2 Cerastus Lance B - 3x 3 Questoris And either - Aux Banner - 2 Acastus or 2 Aux Banners of 1 Acastus each (more expensive because 2 Scions) And then I could bump up the points by adding 4th Knights to any of the Questoris banners, or a Freeblade support Banner of Questoris if I go for the single Acastus Banner (since it's one Aux Banner per Lance?). Sorry for the stupid questions but Battlescribe doesn't seem to support Knight armies.
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JcDent posted:Same. I completely get where you're coming from. I don't by any means think the awful balance, trap choices etc should be kept, I think a halfway competent revision and balance pass of that sort of thing, while keeping the core rules, would be very good. Ultimately I guess it just didn't stop my group enjoying it. COVID did though! To some extent I feel I enjoy it more after I just stopped worrying about that sort of thing. Yeah, Van Saar and Corpse Grinders can both be built to crush 90% of gangs in the game, or X option is always better than Y or what have you. But actually that mostly existed in theory as potential problems, they've not often come up in our games and it's easily discussed and resolved at the time. Sounds like your group is not really the right one for Necromunda. I'm not saying that as a defense of the shoddy rules, I agree they should be better written and then maybe your group wouldn't develop those issues. Necromunda is a very fun game but it's not fit for rigorous competition.
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Apr 20, 2020 20:04
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I don't even play Blood Bowl and I'm tempted to buy those snotlings; I've been hoarding a handful of them from the old snotling mobs to use as flair on Ork projects.
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Apr 21, 2020 04:08
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I love blood bowl because its the only game i know where if someone asks if the game is balanced you can say ," NO! These guys suck really bad, its great!
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Apr 21, 2020 04:20
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Hihohe posted:I love blood bowl because its the only game i know where if someone asks if the game is balanced you can say ," NO! These guys suck really bad, its great! 
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Hihohe posted:I love blood bowl because its the only game i know where if someone asks if the game is balanced you can say ," NO! These guys suck really bad, its great! While also being one of the few GW games that is completely free of ambiguity or grey area. Team balance aside (which as you note is deliberate), it’s a very balanced game, to everyone’s benefit.
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ineptmule posted:While also being one of the few GW games that is completely free of ambiguity or grey area. Team balance aside (which as you note is deliberate), it’s a very balanced game, to everyone’s benefit. Also bad teams get to do stuff even if they're bad at the formal "winning games" bit. Fouling, secret weapons, using big guys to throw your own dudes around going for a hail mary score, all stuff you can do that's a great fun part of the game even if your team is poo poo. It's also much cheaper in both time/money to own a side team that you roll out for funny shenanigans and put away again if it gets tiresome. It's not the same as like 40k where if you turn up with a bad army against a good one you've a) probably spent hundreds of dollars and spent 10s or 100s of hours' worth of time building and painting it and then b) spend most of the game sitting around rolling armour saves while removing your guys and not getting to do anything cool. Living Image fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Apr 21, 2020 11:07
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Bloodbowl looks like a random mess from the outside, but player skill is a huge part of it. Back when I played FUMBBL I really got to experience it in a way you don't get with the tabletop game. Even a moderately active boardgamer might still just play a dozen games per year, while you got that easily in a week on FUMBBL. And that's when you start to see the patterns that differentiates skill (mostly in knowing when to take what chances) from just "crazy things happens and I guess I rolled badly".
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Apr 21, 2020 11:10
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Agreed to both previous posts. And it’s not like it’s impossible to win with the crap teams. It takes a bit of luck and a lot of skill but when a player does well with them it’s something the whole community celebrates. One of my friends won a pretty competitive London tournament this year with Halflings. Absolutely smashed it. Nuffle was with him, sure, but skill played a huge part of it.
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Apr 21, 2020 11:22
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X-posting from the painting thread. Painted up some mini-knights   Some AI Thunderbolts from last year    And a Hasslefree pilot for the planes  
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Apr 21, 2020 12:38
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Harkano posted:Thanks I definitely was getting that nerf vibe, I guess people were taking too many! So theoretically I could have - It's not just that people were taking too many, it's that they were completely broken. Honestly, the best guess anyone has as to what happened with them is that they gave the job to someone who really didn't understand the rules of the game. For ~100 points you got a unit that had firepower at least on par with a Reaver. It's armor value is high enough that it's immune to crits (which insta kill a Knight) except from a handful of the strongest weapons. It's got more range than most Titan weapons on its guns, and can move in any direction while having 360° line of sight. You could take any number of them, in units of one, so you could cram in a staggering number of activations and end up always moving your largest units last. The thing reads like a bad Reddit homebrew unit, frankly, and almost every player looked at them and went 'wtf?' And after nearly doubling the points and sharply limiting their numbers, they're still incredibly strong. I think saving some points at 1500 by putting both in one banner is the way to go and then filling out some of the other banners with extra bodies. More knights means you keep the improved shield saves longer and are more threatening after losses. Also it's not made super clear, but Knight Households can take single support Titans. No Maniples (and so no Princeps Seniores traits) are allowed, but you can take a bunch of Titans, with Legio traits as normal, alobgside a bunch of knights. At 1500 you might have a hard time getting them in with Acastus, but as you go higher I'd definitely look at taking a Titan or two.
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The Gate posted:It's not just that people were taking too many, it's that they were completely broken. Honestly, the best guess anyone has as to what happened with them is that they gave the job to someone who really didn't understand the rules of the game. For ~100 points you got a unit that had firepower at least on par with a Reaver. It's armor value is high enough that it's immune to crits (which insta kill a Knight) except from a handful of the strongest weapons. It's got more range than most Titan weapons on its guns, and can move in any direction while having 360° line of sight. You could take any number of them, in units of one, so you could cram in a staggering number of activations and end up always moving your largest units last. The thing reads like a bad Reddit homebrew unit, frankly, and almost every player looked at them and went 'wtf?' Thanks. I had a great time painting these guys, so figured I'd just paint all the other Knights I had from the GM starter/Knight box etc.  Just wanted to make sure a I had a theoretical legal loadout before arms went on all the wee guys. My 'proper' list is an Axiom Maniple w/ Warlord, Reaver, Warhound, Warhound. Then originally I had a few Acastus as backup, but now they're way too pricey I swapped in some Lancers.
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Yeah, I think Lancers are a good add, they really demand a quick answer or they can wreck anything on the charge.
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Is the Blackstone Fortress game a good game-qua-game? Or is it more-or-less just a way of adding cost to the box you're buying for the (admittedly very nice) minis?
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Apr 21, 2020 17:32
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Also I should post my WIP Titan with printed little Death Guard base and other bits. I'm thinking of adding a secondary colour to the hull with the Wraithbane and the orange, probably painting around the chipping, any suggestions for something that goes with the scheme (and goes nice with the nice loyal Death Guard green Knight house!)? It might just be Death Guard green....
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Apr 21, 2020 17:59
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drat all those nice titan pics almost makes me want to pick up a third specialist game. :O
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Apr 21, 2020 18:41
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Z the IVth posted:X-posting from the painting thread. Holy poo poo dude. These are sick. That jacket detailing :O
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Apr 21, 2020 23:17
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Getting caught up on some Titanicus!         
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That all looks excellent! I love the assault marines on the base, they really sell the magnitude of the thing.
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Apr 23, 2020 01:05
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Ungn why can’t I get SoH Green to go that bright.
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Where are the Epic models from? I am so desperate to play some Epic again preferably in the Horus Heresy setting!!
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