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Danger - Octopus! posted:Not sure what's supposed to happen with all the high risk folk shielding if everyone else returns to work. Is there a plan for them other than "stay inside until there's a vaccine, sorry"? There isn't, and there can't be really. The only hope we have is that one of the ongoing drug trials finds that a drug is effective enough at treating it in vulnerable patients that the death toll from them getting infected drops to a low enough level we can tolerate, and we take measures to prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. Otherwise, there is no way to prevent them from catching a disease this fast spreading beyond developing herd immunity in the healthy population, or a vaccine.
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Jedit posted:Because if you add up the stimulus cheques issued, the total comes to about 20% of the money requested for the bill. The rest was going straight to rich Republicans. happyhippy posted:The big one is there is within it a 500 billion slush fund for the Republicans that specifically doesn't have a paper trial for the first six months. Ah, so there is a good reason to block it. Not a bad pr move as presumably a fair few low information voters who only watch fox news or whatever won't get that part. I assume you mean 500 million though as according to the video the whole fund is only $350b.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:With the death of a sikh A&E consultant, Manjeet Singh Riyat, yesterday, I'd like to know why so many BAME health workers have died compared to non-BAME. I hope 'they' are going to look into this at some point. Certain BAME groups are more susceptible to the kind of existing conditions that makes people vulnerable to the virus such as diabetes and high blood pressure, and tend to develop them at an earlier age. Also, the NHS has a higher proportion of BAME staff than the general population, especially in clinical roles.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If we start seeing a solid day-on-day downturn this week that'll be 2-3 weeks quicker than any other country, and I'm definitely not buying that.
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Soylent Yellow posted:Certain BAME groups are more susceptible to the kind of existing conditions that makes people vulnerable to the virus such as diabetes and high blood pressure, and tend to develop them at an earlier age. Also, the NHS has a higher proportion of BAME staff than the general population, especially in clinical roles. Interesting.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Not sure what's supposed to happen with all the high risk folk shielding if everyone else returns to work. Is there a plan for them other than "stay inside until there's a vaccine, sorry"? woah woah woah are you asking about an exit plan? Is that you Kier?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Interesting. Another pet theory being posited repeatedly by this guy is that BAME populations may be more prone to vitamin D deficiency - which has apparently been demonstrated in various studies to make people more susceptible to complications from respiratory illness - as darker skin makes vitamin D less efficiently in sunlight.  E: but you'd think medical professionals of all people would know to take vitamin D supplements, so...
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Interesting. Also, it's possible that it's down to bad luck. There luckily haven't been enough NHS staff deaths yet for any meaningful statistical pattern to emerge.
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Maugrim posted:E: but you'd think medical professionals of all people would know to take vitamin D supplements, so... lol medical professionals are the fuckin' worst when it comes to looking after themselves.
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Bobstar posted:I saw this on the live blog earlier, but it's the first and only time I've seen the "ministers promise [big number] coming [soon]" numbers put into any kind of context: thanks, I thought it didn't sound like much once you start multiplying by X thousands of clinicians and Y changes per day. it does make you wonder why that figure isn't in their articles about it, although I have just seen two BBC articles with it in there it's a hugely important piece of context though, it's a huge difference between "the government is struggling to procure enough ppe to last the entire crisis" and "the government is struggling to procure enough ppe to last the next three days". without that context, it's all just a worthless big number cf this article apparently specifically addressing the question of whether there's enough PPE, but which is mostly just a list of numbers apart from that single fact about the rate of gown consumption. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52254745 Literally the only information in there that comes close to answering that question are a couple of surveys of clinicians (which say no). one thing I've been wondering about is the potential for litigation against the NHS. On the one hand, I'm sure it's the last thing on most healthcare workers mind to sue the NHS (particularly right now), but also they are an employer asking employees to do dangerous work without adequate PPE, even if that work is saving lives
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Maugrim posted:Another pet theory being posited repeatedly by this guy is that BAME populations may be more prone to vitamin D deficiency - which has apparently been demonstrated in various studies to make people more susceptible to complications from respiratory illness - as darker skin makes vitamin D less efficiently in sunlight. Weirdly enough at my last GP appointment at the tail end of last year we were talking about exactly this, apparently the NHS had a push to get BAME people to take vitamin D supplements because of a rise in deficiency diseases.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:With the death of a sikh A&E consultant, Manjeet Singh Riyat, yesterday, I'd like to know why so many BAME health workers have died compared to non-BAME. I hope 'they' are going to look into this at some point. You're hilarious. It's the Tories silly.
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Private Speech posted:You're hilarious. Which bit? The 'looking into it' bit?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Which bit? The 'looking into it' bit? It was just a stupid joke, but yeah. Especially after the Labour inquiry went down like a lead balloon. If they ever do I'd expect it to be as a cudgel to privatise the 'failing' NHS.
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zhar posted:I'm not up to speed on US politics at all, can someone explain why this bill was blocked? Is it just to prevent good things happening to US citizens by Trumps government in the runup to the election or are there real issues with it? Did they give a reason? https://twitter.com/AdyBarkan/status/1252406993546952707?s=20
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WhatEvil posted:Oh yeah haha, so I discovered that recipe and then like a week later Andy made it on BA (which I watch religiously). As you say his version is more like a pasta soup and it's also slightly fussier/more expensive with a tin of tomatoes. It comes out great using just tomato paste. I'll try the paste one sometime then! I never really use it except to add a bit more flavour to something (or in sandwichy things so long as you don't overdo it) so it'll be interesting to see how it changes it
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EmptyVessel posted:Yeah, Manx is part of the same family so their lhune will be related. *Unless you believe in the conspiracy that it was wholly created by Benedictine monks in order to suppress the glorious unity of the Basque tongue, in much the same way as they're trying to reduce the proud Scots language to unintelligible shouting with their traffik in tonic wines. Here's another map where the British public (and the Spanish this time) are wrong about everything.  Soylent Yellow posted:Certain BAME groups are more susceptible to the kind of existing conditions that makes people vulnerable to the virus such as diabetes and high blood pressure, and tend to develop them at an earlier age. Also, the NHS has a higher proportion of BAME staff than the general population, especially in clinical roles.
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What went wrong in Spain, anyway? They seem like one of the biggest clusterfucks in the world.
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listening to the Trueanon ep about the labour leaks making me real angry and making me want to stay in the party and wreck the gently caress out of the adversary if they continue on in this fashion not sure what there is to do shame we've got almost the worst possible leader for the moment lol
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peanut- posted:
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Jedit posted:Nobody here has ever heard of tea ladies being called char ladies? See I thought that too, but no. Those are cleaners.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:There isn't, and there can't be really. The only hope we have is that one of the ongoing drug trials finds that a drug is effective enough at treating it in vulnerable patients that the death toll from them getting infected drops to a low enough level we can tolerate, and we take measures to prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. Otherwise, there is no way to prevent them from catching a disease this fast spreading beyond developing herd immunity in the healthy population, or a vaccine. Oh for sure, I think it was just that the guidance is "shield until the end of June", but as the weeks go on, there's not really anything to say what will happen then (because no one has a clue what'll be happening by June) so my friends are either just fretting they'll be told to just get back to normal life and hope they don't get sick, sorry... or not go outside again til some time in autumn, or even next year and the waiting is just hurting for them.
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They're not wrong, the economic disaster might well outperform crona in terms of deaths (see: austerity) Funny how it doesn't count as a "human tragedy" when it's only poor people that die though  Is anyone else finding the weird atmosphere of fear & uncomfortable avoidance in the outside world weirdly reflective of how social anxiety makes you think things are in ordinary times? Kinda scared atm that those of us who've spent our entire lives convincing ourselves that things aren't actually the way we feel like they are are gonna really struggle to adapt back again after an extended period of "no, things are actually exactly like that, CROSS THE ROAD DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT"
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Borrovan posted:They're not wrong, the economic disaster might well outperform crona in terms of deaths (see: austerity) It's not like this mystery isn't present in normal times, but the question is laid out a little more barely just now I think.
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Back to baking, does anyone know a good place for ordering flour? Looks like they charge £30 for delivery on Amazon
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In fairness "the economy" isn't just a particular configuration or anything, it's all the production and exchange that goes on - food isn't going to get to people without a workforce producing it, transporting it, selling or delivering it etc. And if any of those systems collapse, it takes time and resources to set something up in its place You can't just have the majority of people hide for a year, even in a country like ours where so much production is outsourced and put on other people in other countries. That's why I don't think questioning the government's exit strategy is a bad thing, because people need to know there's a plan going forward and we're not just hiding under a pile of coats. It's just that Keir Starmer always comes across like he's asking when it'll all be over which lets the tories look strong by saying "don't be silly we need to keep people safe"
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big scary monsters posted:houses still exist They will evaporate if the landlords stop getting paid.
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https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/1252616890167562246 "Lying", Keir. The word you're looking for is "lying".
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/1252616890167562246 It's laughable that when Starmer took over all the Corbyn bashers started in with "now we will have some proper opposition". Everywhere I look I see people calling the Tories liars over the multitude of COVID-19 scandals, especially among the FBPE set that Starmer thinks he can win back, and he does nothing.
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Barry Foster posted:lot of people on my newsfeed crowing about the vaccine entering human trials, according to the bbc tell them there's 7 (according to wikipedia anyway) and most of them started in March, this is like the early stages of trying to come up with a vaccine. Any eventual successful trial will still be ongoing til the end of the year at least. This ain't just gonna go away and get back to normal in the near future, we're in it for the long haul
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Barry Foster posted:lot of people on my newsfeed crowing about the vaccine entering human trials, according to the bbc The point of human trials is to check for long-term side-effects, which means trials last a long time - six months minimum. Don't want the next thalidomide.
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Just came across this interesting article: https://novaramedia.com/2020/01/27/why-we-need-a-queer-history-of-the-holocaust/ quote:Why We Need a Queer History of the Holocaust
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baka kaba posted:tell them there's 7 (according to wikipedia anyway) and most of them started in March, this is like the early stages of trying to come up with a vaccine. Any eventual successful trial will still be ongoing til the end of the year at least. This ain't just gonna go away and get back to normal in the near future, we're in it for the long haul My ex works on one of the most promising vaccine candidates z she's personally very troubled by the concept of Enhanced Disease, that would be a v bad thing for the world...
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