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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I guess I don't understand the logic of loving 99% of something and then hating the last 1% of it so much it makes you retroactively think the 99% was worthless Game of thrones
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Qrr posted:The most annoying case of railroading for me was the first time you go to the church, there's a materia you see but it's blocked off by whispers. Then after you leave the church (and Shinra also explicitly leaves the chuch), it doesn't let you go back and grab it - you need to go all the way to unlocking sidequests or something before you can go there. In retrospect that's fair. There's also a sort of... I hesitate to use the word "meta" example but for people -- ugh this is gonna sound, like, self-aggrandizing. Please nobody read it this way. But for people who were able to clear the game quickly and queue up straight into a second playthrough, there was a lot of missing information (edit: like, online, I mean) at the time, and some of that information was about pretty critical stuff. I assumed that if I played through Chapter 9 again I could get another copy of Magnify, and in the early chapters on Hard you actually do get duplicates of stuff like Deadly Dodge and HP Up in Chapter 2's city streets for example. Not Magnify, though. That poo poo is just completely missing. There is nothing in its place. Getting to that point only to find out that wahey, NOPE was kinda annoying. The only other time I felt that way? The exact thing you said. I finally was able to run back into the church to check out what I assumed could be a completely new Command materia - maybe it's Deathblow! Maybe it's Double Cut! Maybe it's Morph!... aw poo poo it's just Chakra again, huh. Harrow posted:My #2 wish for part 2 (after super alien Jenova) is more Rufus than was in the original game. He's just so cold and charismatic and I want more scenes of him and Cloud together. guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Game of thrones Not applicable. The writing was on the wall for Game of Thrones well before it ended. Harrow posted:My #2 wish for part 2 (after super alien Jenova) is more Rufus than was in the original game. He's just so cold and charismatic and I want more scenes of him and Cloud kissing. ftfy
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Game of thrones loving 30% of it, at best
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Arrrthritis posted:Not applicable. The writing was on the wall for Game of Thrones well before it ended. I have to concur here. Adding in rape where there was none previously is not a winner in my book.
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Man I am really trying to get into this series with Tim Rogers and I just... hate his voice. He sounds like someone doing an impression of the archetypal movie trailers voice. I have no justifiable reason for disliking this guy but I just do. I didn't like his interview with Suda51, I hated his video review of DMC5 - I just really wanna get through this series because it's interesting. e: Like he sounds like a lovely version of Robin Atkin Downes doing Travis Touchdown.
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guts and bolts posted:Man I am really trying to get into this series with Tim Rogers and I just... hate his voice. He sounds like someone doing an impression of the archetypal movie trailers voice. I have no justifiable reason for disliking this guy but I just do. I didn't like his interview with Suda51, I hated his video review of DMC5 - I just really wanna get through this series because it's interesting. Don't force yourself if you're having a visceral reaction. Some people just have voices that'll set your nerves on edge and it's not worth torturing yourself over it. Plenty of other let's plays to choose form.
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Gonna say that I'm glad they cut the part out where Hojo wanted to interbreed Red XIII and Aerith
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Harrow posted:My #2 wish for part 2 (after super alien Jenova) is more Rufus than was in the original game. He's just so cold and charismatic and I want more scenes of him and Cloud together. I wonder if the fact that he could see the Whispers too is supposed to mean anything. CharlieFoxtrot posted:Gonna say that I'm glad they cut the part out where Hojo wanted to interbreed Red XIII and Aerith I did like the part where Hojo brought up the idea of breeding Aerith and all the other Shira execs(who are all complete monsters) just kind of looked around uncomfortably. I feel like this isn't the first time Hojo brought up this idea.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Gonna say that I'm glad they cut the part out where Hojo wanted to interbreed Red XIII and Aerith I mean he's still... like he's arguably more upfront about just straight up breeding Aerith like livestock than in the original. It serves to make Hojo immediately somehow more loathsome, which is no small feat. The fact that he isn't explicitly trying to get Aerith to gently caress a labratdog is like... I mean I'm glad that isn't there? But get hosed Hojo. Flopsy posted:Don't force yourself if you're having a visceral reaction. Some people just have voices that'll set your nerves on edge and it's not worth torturing yourself over it. Plenty of other let's plays to choose form. Yeeeeeah... yeah.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Gonna say that I'm glad they cut the part out where Hojo wanted to interbreed Red XIII and Aerith Never thought I'd be so relieved they toned down Hojo's disgustingness from besitality to merely suggesting she be systematically raped by SOLDIERS so they'd have back ups in the case they accidentally kill her. edit: In case the sarcasm isn't coming across I'd just like to add he's the most revolting character to ever grace a video game. Easily. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Rhonne posted:I wonder if the fact that he could see the Whispers too is supposed to mean anything. I imagine so. It's kind of interesting who can and can't see the Whispers, especially because Cloud couldn't see them until he made physical contact with Aerith, but the others didn't have that prerequisite, and then there's Rufus.
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Flopsy posted:Never thought I'd be so relieved they toned down Hojo's disgustingness from besitality to merely suggesting she be systematically raped by SOLDIERS so they'd have back ups in the case they accidentally kill her. Yeah to clarify, I'm glad they rewrote it from "cartoonish nonsense" to "something that Mengele probably did"
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Rhonne posted:I wonder if the fact that he could see the Whispers too is supposed to mean anything. pretty sure that was just because he was about to gently caress up the canon by spilling the beans early about cloud's origins, so they manifested to him directly and carted him out of there they definitely nailed hojo's design, stubbly motherfucker's got a mouth like a fleshy toad Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Oxxidation posted:pretty sure that was just because he was about to gently caress up the canon by spilling the beans early about cloud's origins, so they manifested to him directly and carted him out of their You can literally smell him the minute he appears on screen and at least 85% of it is some kind of oil
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Oxxidation posted:pretty sure that was just because he was about to gently caress up the canon by spilling the beans early about cloud's origins, so they manifested to him directly and carted him out of their I was talking about Rufus. Also I can't wait to see Hojo chilling on the beach.
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Rhonne posted:I was talking about Rufus. I'm dead serious the man looks like he has some sort of major hygiene issues so I got no clue how they're going to pull off women willingly hanging out with him. "Oh yeah baby I love how you smell like human misery and piss!"
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah to clarify, I'm glad they rewrote it from "cartoonish nonsense" to "something that Mengele probably did" God drat. That's exactly what he is. Shinra's Mengele: doing "science" of extremely dubious nature to indulge in his sadism. And hats off to the writers and voice actor. As others have said, he is, by leaps and bounds, the most loathsome, purely evil character I've ever encountered in a game.
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Flopsy posted:You can literally smell him the minute he appears on screen and at least 85% of it is some kind of oil there's nothing more attractive than a man who smells like formaldehyde and ball sweat and leaves a faint trail of grease wherever he walks -lucrecia, probably
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Flopsy posted:I'm dead serious the man looks like he has some sort of major hygiene issues so I got no clue how they're going to pull off women willingly hanging out with him. "Oh yeah baby I love how you smell like human misery and piss!" 100% Hojo looks like he smells like piss and vinegar
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cock hero flux posted:there's nothing more attractive than a man who smells like formaldehyde and ball sweat and leaves a faint trail of grease wherever he walks LMAOOOOOO OH my God I'm cry laughing right now because it's so loving true. gently caress man she is the worst.
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"Showers just get in the way of science!" -Hojo, probably.
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To be fair to Sephiroth realizing that dude is in fact your father would probably send anybody over the edge. The unspeakable truth the world just isn't ready for: Hojo fucks.
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I honestly hope that for the sake of tonal consistency that they omit Hojo from the beach. I get it, ha ha, and the meme potential is off the charts, but the OG FF7's second-largest sin in my view is trying to get you to sympathize with (or find comedy in) its villains even when that is wildly, grotesquely inappropriate. Hojo is kill on sight. He is, as Flopsy put it, one of "... the most revolting character[s] to ever grace a video game." He tries to murder your party multiple times, considered/attempted to rape-breed Aerith, has committed God-only-knows how many crimes against humanity that we don't even see, and we eventually discover that he is basically directly responsible for all of the most odious tragedies in the FF7 narrative. He impregnates Lucretia then experiments on their unborn baby, who eventually becomes Sephiroth, and then when Vincent objects to this goddamn travesty Hojo guns him down and conducts crazy-rear end science on his corpse. When Hojo's colleague Gast grows a conscience and tries to flee Shinra with Ifalna and Aerith, the last surviving Cetra on the Planet, Hojo murders Gast and kidnaps Ifalna and Aerith. Ifalna eventually loving dies as a result of trying to escape him. Like, he is the worst possible human. People in the thread were annoyed with how the Turks got let off the hook, and at least Hojo loving dies, but that scene in Costa del Sol with him sucks.
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Flopsy posted:To be fair to Sephiroth realizing that dude is in fact your father would probably send anybody over the edge. The unspeakable truth the world just isn't ready for: Hojo fucks. I don't there's any doubt whether Hojo mixed his DNA with Jenova in a test tube or went with a more holistic approach when trying to create Sephiroth before doping a fetus with Jenova DNA.
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guts and bolts posted:I honestly hope that for the sake of tonal consistency that they omit Hojo from the beach. I get it, ha ha, and the meme potential is off the charts, but the OG FF7's second-largest sin in my view is trying to get you to sympathize with (or find comedy in) its villains even when that is wildly, grotesquely inappropriate. Hojo is kill on sight. He is, as Flopsy put it, one of "... the most revolting character[s] to ever grace a video game." He tries to murder your party multiple times, considered/attempted to rape-breed Aerith, has committed God-only-knows how many crimes against humanity that we don't even see, and we eventually discover that he is basically directly responsible for all of the most odious tragedies in the FF7 narrative. He impregnates Lucretia then experiments on their unborn baby, who eventually becomes Sephiroth, and then when Vincent objects to this goddamn travesty Hojo guns him down and conducts crazy-rear end science on his corpse. When Hojo's colleague Gast grows a conscience and tries to flee Shinra with Ifalna and Aerith, the last surviving Cetra on the Planet, Hojo murders Gast and kidnaps Ifalna and Aerith. Ifalna eventually loving dies as a result of trying to escape him. I don't think they're going to cut it, it's too iconic. I could see them reworking it to make him look even more pathetic and creepy though.
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speaking of hojo adjacent characters I am also in love with what they did with Red XIII and his presence was enough to excuse the entire Drum for me he shows instant synergy with the entire team, barret wants to be his bestie but has to work off the “lab rat-dog” wisecrack first, and for all his stoic shamanistic posturing his brief “you okay?” when he bailed out cloud was genuinely tender god bless my endangered magic edgy teen catdog son
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guts and bolts posted:I honestly hope that for the sake of tonal consistency that they omit Hojo from the beach. I get it, ha ha, and the meme potential is off the charts, but the OG FF7's second-largest sin in my view is trying to get you to sympathize with (or find comedy in) its villains even when that is wildly, grotesquely inappropriate. Hojo is kill on sight. He is, as Flopsy put it, one of "... the most revolting character[s] to ever grace a video game." He tries to murder your party multiple times, considered/attempted to rape-breed Aerith, has committed God-only-knows how many crimes against humanity that we don't even see, and we eventually discover that he is basically directly responsible for all of the most odious tragedies in the FF7 narrative. He impregnates Lucretia then experiments on their unborn baby, who eventually becomes Sephiroth, and then when Vincent objects to this goddamn travesty Hojo guns him down and conducts crazy-rear end science on his corpse. When Hojo's colleague Gast grows a conscience and tries to flee Shinra with Ifalna and Aerith, the last surviving Cetra on the Planet, Hojo murders Gast and kidnaps Ifalna and Aerith. Ifalna eventually loving dies as a result of trying to escape him. Yeah, that's why him relaxing on a beach like it's no big deal is so funny.
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guts and bolts posted:I honestly hope that for the sake of tonal consistency that they omit Hojo from the beach. I get it, ha ha, and the meme potential is off the charts, but the OG FF7's second-largest sin in my view is trying to get you to sympathize with (or find comedy in) its villains even when that is wildly, grotesquely inappropriate. Hojo is kill on sight. He is, as Flopsy put it, one of "... the most revolting character[s] to ever grace a video game." He tries to murder your party multiple times, considered/attempted to rape-breed Aerith, has committed God-only-knows how many crimes against humanity that we don't even see, and we eventually discover that he is basically directly responsible for all of the most odious tragedies in the FF7 narrative. He impregnates Lucretia then experiments on their unborn baby, who eventually becomes Sephiroth, and then when Vincent objects to this goddamn travesty Hojo guns him down and conducts crazy-rear end science on his corpse. When Hojo's colleague Gast grows a conscience and tries to flee Shinra with Ifalna and Aerith, the last surviving Cetra on the Planet, Hojo murders Gast and kidnaps Ifalna and Aerith. Ifalna eventually loving dies as a result of trying to escape him. What if they retconned the beach scene to be his corpse washing up on a beach after the party kills him? I mean you can call that a reference at least.
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Here's a timeline change for you: make Lucretia an unwilling participant in Hojo's awful bullshit so that she isn't infuriatingly stupid, remain alive, then have her be the one to give him the coup de grace and shoot him eleventy million times like the scene where Hitler gets perforated in Inglorious BasterdsFlopsy posted:What if they retconned the beach scene to be his corpse washing up on a beach after the party kills him? I mean you can call that a reference at least. Yeah sure or that. Either way. Necrothatcher posted:Yeah, that's why him relaxing on a beach like it's no big deal is so funny. Yeah the joke is "see, Josef Mengele fucks" and I guess we just disagree as to whether there's comedic value in that guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Oxxidation posted:god bless my endangered magic edgy teen catdog son His animation for pulling the levers is hilarious, as is the scene where Barret tells him to smile
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guts and bolts posted:Here's a timeline change for you: make Lucretia an unwilling participant in Hojo's awful bullshit so that she isn't infuriatingly stupid, remain alive, then have her be the one to give him the coup de grace and shoot him eleventy million times like the scene where Hitler gets perforated in Inglorious Basterds I agree this would be the only way to salvage her character. Make her unwilling. Otherwise any attempts at making her look sympathetic fall flat and look downright ridiculous. Especially since Vincent loving died for her. It makes him look like fool just for loving someone like that.
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As I recall the group was *going* to kill him on that beach, until he basically went "Oh what, you're just going to chop up an unarmed man on a public beach? That will go well for you"
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DeathChicken posted:As I recall the group was *going* to kill him on that beach, until he basically went "Oh what, you're just going to chop up an unarmed man on a public beach? That will go well for you" To quote FFVII Machineabridged: Bitch you know we terrorist right
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What if they retcon it to Vincent being Sephiroth's dad and Hojo just lies about it to gently caress with Vincent/blackmails Lucretia into going along with it?
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Rhonne posted:No matter how far off the rails the story goes, Palmer better still get hit by a truck. I believe I stated my preference earlier he be hit by several trucks in succession. Maybe have Jud from Pet Semetery show up scratch his cheek then mutter: Sometimes dead is better. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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