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mllaneza posted:It's a good thing I missed that KS, because I'd have gone on for a physical copy just because of the train wreck of the rules. Actually it's a good thing you missed it because it's about two years overdue at this point, so the odds of you actually seeing a physical copy are looking less likely by the day.
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Kai Tave posted:I think it's pretty weird that a game based on a movie about fighting moon Nazis has an intro adventure that has you investigating on behalf of someone concerned about "dangerous alt-left and pro-socialist circles" is the thing. Man, that's not weird, that's 100% standard "let's pretend there's a significant difference between my alt-right views and white nationalism." I can't be a bad person, I hate the *real* Nazis!
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Thanlis posted:Man, that's not weird, that's 100% standard "let's pretend there's a significant difference between my alt-right views and white nationalism." I can't be a bad person, I hate the *real* Nazis! National Socialism  Looking forward to the FATAL & Friends let's read in a few years when it's finally out.
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Is there a good explanation of all the lovely things Zak S did that aren't being a rapist/abuser/pants shitter? Like he was a lovely person before the abuser parts came out, right?
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The Stockbrokers Of Magic: The Gathering Play for Keeps - The market for the popular strategy game’s cards has started to resemble Wall Street, complete with speculation, arbitrage, and yes, insider trading.
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Elendil004 posted:Is there a good explanation of all the lovely things Zak S did that aren't being a rapist/abuser/pants shitter? Like he was a lovely person before the abuser parts came out, right? To start off with a few: https://tabletopsmissingstairs.blogspot.com/2019/02/zak-s-and-other-horrible-tabletop-people.html https://wouldyouagreethat.tumblr.com/ https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/this-post-is-insufferably-long-and-im-sorry-for-that-longtw/ https://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2019/02/you-should-read-this.html
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Libertad! posted:To start off with a few: Perfect, thank you.
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Mind you that's just some of it. It's like a fecal lasagna. Every layer you peel back is more revolting than the last.
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Haunted West actually looks really good. A pity it still seems to be in the backer-exclusive fulfilment phase. I remember when this came up in the past, there was a variant fan backplot for Deadlands in which the CSA is basically eaten from within by all the supernatural horrors unleashed in the setting. A highlight was the burning vengeful ghost of Sherman walking out of Atlanta with an army of Union spectres. It satisfyingly drowned the traitors in nightmares and did not let them be cool in any way, shape, or form. Somehow I doubt that's what Hensley has done. I see he still has them take Washington, because they should have won reeeeeeeeally. But I will definitely be picking up HW when and if (hopefully when) it goes on general sale.
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Kerberos Club had the Confederacy surviving into the 1880s by making horrendous deals with lovecraftian monstrosities specifically to serve as am evil empire. There was even a sidebar that flat-out said "this game is too early chronologically for Nazis but we wanted bad guys you could kill by the score without feeling guilty, so here are the Confederate States of America." It also explicitly added that the Confederacy was an unsustainable racist pipe dream that only survived past its historical end point because of literal demonic intervention, and even then it was destined to fall in the largest slave uprising in human history in about 15 years. That always struck me as about the only halfway decent way to do "the Confederacy survived" as a plot device.
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Loxbourne posted:I remember when this came up in the past, there was a variant fan backplot for Deadlands in which the CSA is basically eaten from within by all the supernatural horrors unleashed in the setting. A highlight was the burning vengeful ghost of Sherman walking out of Atlanta with an army of Union spectres. It satisfyingly drowned the traitors in nightmares and did not let them be cool in any way, shape, or form. I've seen a couple of similar things on RPG.net. The problem was that they were all so invested in destroying the CSA - and usually it was some big supernatural horror show because it's Deadlands - was they didn't actually consider that everything they talked about would also happen to the black people living there. The black folks I know who could be potentially into the setting don't want 'the CSA but <whatever>' they just want it gone and you could have it and it would change nothing in the setting aside from Jefferson Davis being a Reckoner gribbly. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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The best way to get me into a roughly Civil War era game is to finally give John Brown a battlemech.
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Night10194 posted:Why would anyone ever use a d1000? HackMaster uses it for their critical hit charts RoleMaster uses it in an alternate rule for stat generation
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gradenko_2000 posted:HackMaster uses it for their critical hit charts There's that ludicrous D1000 chart in FATAL where like half the entries are Roll Again.
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Libertad! posted:To start off with a few: This is kind of a hyper-niche thing but does anyone know the context on this? https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/569671687400230913 (from links in the first link). I follow Bernhardt and have never once seen him post anything tabletop-related so I'm really curious what the six degrees of separation here is. I think his tweet is deleted?
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Mike Danger posted:This is kind of a hyper-niche thing but does anyone know the context on this? https://twitter.com/FreyjaErlings/status/569671687400230913 (from links in the first link). I follow Bernhardt and have never once seen him post anything tabletop-related so I'm really curious what the six degrees of separation here is. I think his tweet is deleted? The context is that Zak is perilously addicted to clout and obsessed with what people, particularly high follower count people, say about him, and so when someone has a boatload of followers he has two responses, either try to ingratiate himself to them or go on the attack. In this case it was the latter. This is in large part why Zak is so very cautious/desperate to avoid associating with things like gamergate even though pretty much anyone who comes out to bat for him anymore is some sort of "anti-SJW" culture warrior dipshit from the Quartering or something, because he really, really wants to be the TRPG Hobby Golden Boy and he's conscientious enough to know that he can't do that if he openly affiliates himself with a hate mob, even though his attitude and behavior is indistinguishable from that poo poo.
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His recent trick is to stalk those people who he's disagreed with, and then claim when they get some prominence or trend or whatever that they are 'part of a right wing hate group'. He's done it a couple of times before, and again yesterday on the D&D orcs are hella racist twitter trend over the last two days. And, ironically of course, it's the gaters, incels and alt-right who have swarmed and harassed those people pointing out D&D's historic problems. PST fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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Going through orc discourse and it really does make me wonder how some people view the world in terms of being unable to accept that some stuff they like may have bad elements that needs working on.
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Josef bugman posted:Going through orc discourse and it really does make me wonder how some people view the world in terms of being unable to accept that some stuff they like may have bad elements that needs working on. Some people have never learned it's okay to like problematic things, and have taken it so far in the other direction they need everything they like to be 'good' in a holistic sense otherwise it also says something about them. Normally the way they go to bat for these things also says something about them.
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Josef bugman posted:Going through orc discourse and it really does make me wonder how some people view the world in terms of being unable to accept that some stuff they like may have bad elements that needs working on. The ones who aren't straight up trolls or racists-who-don't-care are people who conflate "criticizing a thing" with a personal attack on everyone who engages with the thing, and who assume if you criticize a thing, you must hate it and want everyone else to stop engaging with it. There are also a lot of people who buy into the lie that fiction is somehow not political unless you make it so, and who don't stop to consider how your unconscious biases might lead you to using certain elements from our world to code certain traits in fictional worlds. Coding here being a politically neutral concept and something that happens fairly naturally in storytelling and often without much thought, but which can have a lot of issues depending on what you're coding and to whom. I want to be generous and assume a lot of this group of people are dumb teenagers sitting too close to 4chan, but really a lot of adults who should know better don't engage with media critically enough to accept that something can have problems you recognize and still enjoy and you're primarily being critical because you know it can do better, like Dawgstar said.
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Dawgstar posted:Some people have never learned it's okay to like problematic things, and have taken it so far in the other direction they need everything they like to be 'good' in a holistic sense otherwise it also says something about them. Normally the way they go to bat for these things also says something about them. There was one guy who was all 'orcs have an INT penalty, that's just the way it is and there's no official publication that says otherwise' --hey, the new Explorer's Guide to Wildemount removes that 'I don't consider SJW books to be official' err...
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PST posted:There was one guy who was all 'orcs have an INT penalty, that's just the way it is and there's no official publication that says otherwise' did you tell them are orcs aren't real and the intelligence stat is also made up
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There was definitely value in using something like orcs or klingons as a metaphor for mankind's "bad" aspects. As a literary device, it rhetorically asks "What if everyone acted this way?" and then holds that hypothetical culture as a mirror to our own. But that value hinges on the depiction being a single, carefully constructed vision by an author. Derivative works built from cobbled together tropes invariably discard the intended message while embracing only the surface reading. So something like Tolkien's orcs (a criticism of the industrialized brutality of the Central Powers) gets hacked into Gygax's reprehensible defense of colonialism that steals literary legitimacy from Tolkien. In summary, using orcs as symbolic antagonists is only as good as what they symbolize. Unless they deliberately symbolize something, generations of colonialism, bigotry, and racism will fill that void. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
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Dawgstar posted:Some people have never learned it's okay to like problematic things, and have taken it so far in the other direction they need everything they like to be 'good' in a holistic sense otherwise it also says something about them. Normally the way they go to bat for these things also says something about them. It just makes me sad. What does it cost you to go "this might not be the best thing. Let's improve things". Nuns with Guns posted:I want to be generous and assume a lot of this group of people are dumb teenagers sitting too close to 4chan, but really a lot of adults who should know better don't engage with media critically enough to accept that something can have problems you recognize and still enjoy and you're primarily being critical because you know it can do better, like Dawgstar said. I suppose. I just wish that it was easier to think about without folks blowing up at you for going "perhaps thing bad".
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moths posted:So something like Tolkien's orcs (a criticism of the industrialized brutality of the Central Powers) gets hacked into Gygax's reprehensible defense of colonialism that steals literary legitimacy from Tolkien. Gygax was hella racist and bigoted and a pretty reprehensible person who physically (not sexually) abused his kids. His hosed up views on alignment continue to poison the game quote:The non-combatants in a humanoid group might be judged as worthy of death by a LG opponent force and executed or taken as prisoners to be converted to the correct way of thinking and behaving. A NG opponent would likely admonish them to change their ways before freeing them. A CG force might enslave them so as to correct their ways or else do as the NG party did. CN and LN opponents would likely slaughter the lot. Evil opponents would enlist, enslave, or execute them according to the nature of the Evil victors and that of the survivors. Enlistment would be for those of like alignment, slaughter for those opposite the victors’ predisposition to order or disorder. Enslavement is an option for any sort of Evil desiring workers.
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quote:The non-combatants in a humanoid group might be judged as worthy of death by a LG opponent force and executed or taken as prisoners to be converted to the correct way of thinking and behaving. A NG opponent would likely admonish them to change their ways before freeing them. A CG force might enslave them so as to correct their ways or else do as the NG party did. CN and LN opponents would likely slaughter the lot. Evil opponents would enlist, enslave, or execute them according to the nature of the Evil victors and that of the survivors. Enlistment would be for those of like alignment, slaughter for those opposite the victors’ predisposition to order or disorder. Enslavement is an option for any sort of Evil desiring workers. Enslaving people is a Chaotic Good act? Makes you think...
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bold of gygax to declare gulags as lawful good, i'll give him that
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Josef bugman posted:It just makes me sad. What does it cost you to go "this might not be the best thing. Let's improve things". Everything when you've attached your ego to it, apparently.
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Josef bugman posted:It just makes me sad. What does it cost you to go "this might not be the best thing. Let's improve things". For me, I've been struggling with the line between "This is bad, don't use this" and "This is bad, let's make it less bad".
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PST posted:There was one guy who was all 'orcs have an INT penalty, that's just the way it is and there's no official publication that says otherwise' If there's one thing I've noticed about people on the internet, it's that when they express one terrible opinion you only have to scratch the surface to find that they in fact have every terrible opinion. Like, find one of the self-righteous racists in the orc discourse and check their timeline, and you'll find Trump supporters, misogynists, transphobes, gun nuts, etc. etc. etc. This poo poo clusters.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:More of this fun stuff here "lots of people use the phrase 'nits make lice' and not just the genocidal shithead you accused me of quoting" lol
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Dawgstar posted:Everything when you've attached your ego to it, apparently. I mean I can understand it's hard to improve but it's still something folks should aim for, right? CitizenKeen posted:For me, I've been struggling with the line between "This is bad, don't use this" and "This is bad, let's make it less bad". That's fair. From a purely personal perspective I think changing "race" to "species" might be a good idea, and maybe just having stuff done via a points system? I dunno. boba fetacheese posted:"lots of people use the phrase 'nits make lice' and not just the genocidal shithead you accused me of quoting" It's seriously the dumbest defence of anything I think I have ever heard. It is almost mind blowing.
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boba fetacheese posted:"lots of people use the phrase 'nits make lice' and not just the genocidal shithead you accused me of quoting" Not even ‘accused’ - Gygax cited the genocidal shithead by name!
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You can handle the Fantasy Race Problem by 1) removing orcs, goblins, etc. entirely, replacing them with humans, dwarves, elves etc. who happen fo be evil. it means you can't see them and instantly know they're evil, but in my view that's a good thing 2) replacing racial modifiers with cultural modifiers, so a human raised in a traditional dwarf culture gets the dwarf bonuses, a dwarf raised in an elven wood gets elf bonuses, etc.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Not even ‘accused’ - Gygax cited the genocidal shithead by name! With an extra soupçon of "b-b-b-but your side did it too!" no less. Also gotta love the old "in those days a woman could walk the length and breadth of England unmolested" chestnut, because horrific punishments are absolutely a deterrent and totally stop people from doing crimes.
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