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Ah that makes sense. I am waiting till payday at the end of the month so might hold on a little to see if the pro is mentioned. I was mainly concerened air wouldn’t be powerful enough to edit some video game captures but it seems like it should be fine for this? Mainly just stitching clips together. Does more cpu not mean more processing. Forgive me I am insanely dumb. I’m not hugely concerened about the 2-300 cashola involved but ofc don’t wanna waste it. The upgrade cpu is 80e
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EmmyOk posted:Ah that makes sense. I am waiting till payday at the end of the month so might hold on a little to see if the pro is mentioned. I don't like to treat benchmarks (check the multi-core) as gospel but in this case they tell a pretty straightforward story. The 100 to go from the dual core i3 to the quad core i5 gets you a very nice ~30% jump compared to the base model. The 150 to go from that to the i7 gets you another jump to about 40% of the base model. That's not nothing, but that's quite the diminishing return. The CPU itself probably is, in a vacuum, enough of an upgrade to justify the price, but in the MBA with its ultracompact cooling, when you try and do anything very CPUish with it it can't maintain that performance for very long before it starts throttling. In practice, you'll only see that performance increase in full in very short bursts. What this means in context for something like video editing is that when scrubbing around a timeline the i7 might be a bit better at keeping your preview current than the i5 but when time comes to encode you won't see much of a drop in runtime.
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Apr 20, 2020 21:55
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Shaocaholica posted:4K Netflix to a 13" screen? What a waste of bandwidth tho. Actually, that's part of the benefit. Streaming in 4K bumps you up to a much higher bitrate, and you can definitely tell the difference at smaller sizes. Even if you render out 1/4 of the pixels, they're going to be better pixels. And on top of that the high PPI display means that at least you can render out to 'retina' resolution from a 4K source, whereas you'd be upscaling a 1080p source. 4K on a phone is a waste, but at 13" I think it makes a huge difference especially when you consider the bitrate. I can definitely tell the difference.
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I had to disable auto rendering, audio and video scrubbing to make Final Cut Pro work. Also, rendering using compressor or FCP on my 2020 MBA makes it unusable. I have until tomorrow to figure out if I’m going to return the MBA 2020 and wait for the MBP. I guess I consider myself a “creator” more than a “consumer.” Logic Pro X has been fine, but with lots of pops and clicks in the audio. I tried Reaper today and it was much smoother. FCP was made workable..... but it’s not your mobile video editing platform, especially since the new 2019 MacBook pros weigh almost the exact same as the airs.
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Fedule posted:I don't like to treat benchmarks (check the multi-core) as gospel but in this case they tell a pretty straightforward story. The 100 to go from the dual core i3 to the quad core i5 gets you a very nice ~30% jump compared to the base model. The 150 to go from that to the i7 gets you another jump to about 40% of the base model. That's not nothing, but that's quite the diminishing return. The CPU itself probably is, in a vacuum, enough of an upgrade to justify the price, but in the MBA with its ultracompact cooling, when you try and do anything very CPUish with it it can't maintain that performance for very long before it starts throttling. In practice, you'll only see that performance increase in full in very short bursts. This helps a lot, thanks very much. Is Final Cut Pro much better on macs than other pcs or video software on macs do you know?
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The upgraded i5 in the MBA also gets you a slightly faster version of the Iris Plus GPU. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Iris-Plus-Graphics-G4-Ice-Lake-48-EU-vs-Iris-Plus-Graphics-G7-Ice-Lake-64-EU_9869_9866.247598.0.html
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EmmyOk posted:This helps a lot, thanks very much. Bob Morales posted:Do they have Final Cut Pro for non macs? No, it’s Mac only. And it definitely runs better on Mac than Adobe Premiere which is the other big commonly used NLE
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Always hated Premiere and the fact it became so industry standard is definitely a contributing factor to why I never wanted to work in video.
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Ok Comboomer posted:No, it’s Mac only. And it definitely runs better on Mac than Adobe Premiere which is the other big commonly used NLE Ah cool! Sounds like MBA is the way to go folks with the i5. Very appreciative of how knowledgeable and helpful you’ve all been
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EmmyOk posted:Hello pals I’m trying to decide between the highest spec Air 2020 and the starter Pro 13in from 2019. Mainly what others have said, but also don't forget the 2019 pro still has the butterfly keyboard, vs the scissor keys on the Air. The butterfly keyboard is notoriously unreliable and prone to needing repairs.
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Pivo posted:Actually, that's part of the benefit. Streaming in 4K bumps you up to a much higher bitrate, and you can definitely tell the difference at smaller sizes. Even if you render out 1/4 of the pixels, they're going to be better pixels. And on top of that the high PPI display means that at least you can render out to 'retina' resolution from a 4K source, whereas you'd be upscaling a 1080p source. Sure you can tell the difference but that doesn't mean its worth while. I mean if the bandwidth is there sure. If its in contention, probably not.
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Hi I hate the final cut experience on the MacBook Air. I had to disable auto rendering. Disable video scrubbing. Disable audio scrubbing to make it even passable to edit a 1h30 minute zoom recording. If you will be doing FCP more than 3 hours a month I would avoid avoid avoid on MBA 2020.
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Apr 21, 2020 06:38
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The 13 inch MacBook Pro refresh has been rumoured for about 6 months now.
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There's a twitter account that claims that Apple will launch a "new computer" in May. The codename is close to the new 13" MBA, so I have high hopes that the 13/14" MBP refresh is coming next month. He got a lot of information regarding the iPhone 9 and iPad refresh right before they were released.
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Ok Comboomer posted:No, it’s Mac only. And it definitely runs better on Mac than Adobe Premiere which is the other big commonly used NLE avid
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Captain Apollo posted:Hi I hate the final cut experience on the MacBook Air. uhhhh if you're trying to edit a super high res 90 minute long video on a macbook air, of course it's going to have hiccups. all that stuff has to sit in ram. and you probably don't have a lot of that.
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I used to regularly edit 1080p videos on my 2010 4gb 11-inch air, so unless you’re doing a bunch of it all the time, eh. Just requires a little patience. :v
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Speaking of video editing, when did Quicktime Player become useful again and re-implement trimming features?
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landgrabber posted:avid Resolve. Is this a weird game we’re playing?
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landgrabber posted:avid Isn’t Avid kinda price/gear-prohibitive? I remember them aggressively going after FCP users and slashing their prices when FCPX came out and everybody hated it.
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landgrabber posted:uhhhh if you're trying to edit a super high res 90 minute long video on a macbook air, of course it's going to have hiccups. all that stuff has to sit in ram. and you probably don't have a lot of that. Trying to edit a zoom video from my lecture in the i5 with 16gb ram. Was awful without modifications.
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I went back quite a few pages but can't find it: can someone repost the link to the util that toggles turbo on an MBP? Thanks
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Captain Apollo posted:Trying to edit a zoom video from my lecture in the i5 with 16gb ram. Was awful without modifications. beefnoodle posted:I went back quite a few pages but can't find it: can someone repost the link to the util that toggles turbo on an MBP? Thanks
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japtor posted:I'll be amused if it's cause some other Zoom fuckup more than anything else. What are the specs of the video? Does this actually work? On the face of it it looks great but I'm not sure?
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I'm not sure it would improve battery life. (Race to idle theory.) But it would make your Mac run cooler.
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Thanks!
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MarcusSA posted:Does this actually work? On the face of it it looks great but I'm not sure? Disabling boost definitely works, at least on my new i5 MBA. Intel Power Gadget shows it capped at 1.1ghz or whatever. Running cooler and longer is harder to quantify since I haven't done any empirical tests or anything. Zoom is the closest thing I've tested it with and it does seem to help with temps...although at a certain point even when capped the heat builds up* and fans start going. I forget context exactly but that might've been the night we had like 8 people playing Jackbox, I probably had a virtual background, and had my iPad connected w/Sidecar. And maybe a USB webcam cause the built in one was too crappy for the lighting. *manual fan control might help with this, but iStat Menus doesn't have working fan rules yet for the 2020 MBA. ~Coxy posted:I'm not sure it would improve battery life. (Race to idle theory.) But it would make your Mac run cooler. Overcast guy Marco did some tests before. On the 2015 MBP15 the battery and test he did was basically a wash (+42% battery, but 44% longer compile), but 2018 MBP13 it was +61% vs 43% longer. I'm curious how the new MBA would do.
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there’s an article making the rounds right now that describes how charging 15“ MBPs via the left side ports may cause high CPU load from (software-)throttling.quote:Ergo, high CPU usage by kernel_task is caused by high Thunderbolt Left Proximity temperature, which is caused by charging and having normal peripherals plugged in at the same time. One possible explanation I’ve read is that the T2 chip/SSD controller is on the right hand side and the throttling may be there to keep its temperatures in check. Charging from the other side lets the right sensor exceed 100 Celsius.
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Imagine paying $150+tax for a CF reader back in whatever before time this came from. You'd think $150 would get packaging better than a blister pack.
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Shaocaholica posted:Imagine paying $150+tax for a CF reader back in whatever before time this came from. You'd think $150 would get packaging better than a blister pack. Its firewire!
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That reader is probably still faster than half the lovely SD card readers out there that are connected over USB (even internal ones) and keep failing to negotiate UASP transfer modes.eames posted:there’s an article making the rounds right now that describes how charging 15“ MBPs via the left side ports may cause high CPU load from (software-)throttling. The article is a bit unscientific. CPU temps as logged are not particularly high... Would have been nice to log CPU power and multi. It's possible it's actually the VRM temps, and they happen to be close to whatever charging circuitry. But then that doesn't really align with the right hand side ports workaround.
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~Coxy posted:The article is a bit unscientific. CPU temps as logged are not particularly high... Did we read the same article? The hypothesis is that kernel_task forces idleness as a precaution when the Thunderbolt Left Proximity temperature sensor exceeds a certain threshold. CPU temperatures, -power or -multiplicator have nothing to do with this.
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Shaocaholica posted:Imagine paying $150+tax for a CF reader back in whatever before time this came from. You'd think $150 would get packaging better than a blister pack. If I remember right, FireWire stuff was so expensive because it required a fair amount of controller hardware in the device itself. It’s also why transfer rates were so high (for the time) and load on the host machine was less than USB. As someone who did a ton of video work 10+ years ago, I really grew to like FireWire, and sort of miss it!
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frogbs posted:If I remember right, FireWire stuff was so expensive because it required a fair amount of controller hardware in the device itself. It’s also why transfer rates were so high (for the time) and load on the host machine was less than USB. As someone who did a ton of video work 10+ years ago, I really grew to like FireWire, and sort of miss it! If only you could still get a high-speed, relatively high-cost interface that provided direct memory access to the host system through a complex controller, which was adopted enthusiastically by Apple but halfheartedly by most other major PC manufacturers.
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Space Gopher posted:If only you could still get a high-speed, relatively high-cost interface that provided direct memory access to the host system through a complex controller, which was adopted enthusiastically by Apple but halfheartedly by most other major PC manufacturers. Well when you put it that way! I was hoping Light Peak would become a real thing but they switched away from optical and that’s how we got Thunderbolt! Boring!
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At least it's not HDI-30.
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Anyone remember Apple Display Connector passing mains AC and low voltage DVI signal. Those were rad when they sparked on insertion.
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frogbs posted:Well when you put it that way! There's still optical thunderbolt. You don't want optical, it's expensive. The fact they made it work on copper (for most things) is a good thing.
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