Colostomy Bag posted:

So in other words, escaping Shawshank involves dealing with less poo poo than SC.

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I have a question,the numerous (NUMEROUS) bugs and glitches that we see,if there were better communication between the (4,5?) studios and they were better managed (ie. not adding more and more problems every hour because no one knows what they’re doing) would we still be seeing all these exact same problems?
Would they even be slightly less worse?

Dementropy posted:

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CountDrac posted:

When I think of spacegames the first thing that comes to mind is prison gameplay. Who would want to explore different star systems with your purchased space jpgs? That stuff is for weirdos and losers!

Dr. Honked posted:

I've been on projects like this. The kind of bugs that we're seeing in SC - mainly random jank - are caused by lack of technical leadership, lack of architectural direction, lack of ownership, and lack of vision by the developers who are doing the work. Poor communication is a big factor but it's a by product of the things that I already mentioned. No one is in charge on the floor where the sausage is made. You can bet that each studio has communication problems internally, let alone communication between studios. Teams don't talk to each other, and I'll also put money on the fact that the production staff are completely useless too, being completely hamstrung by Crobbler's bullshit.

It's not going to get better, either. It's just going to get worse, as systems are developed and slammed together in a half assed way. I can tell you with 100% certainty that a lot of these bugs are caused by multiple people implementing the same features as each other, unaware that someone else is doing the same work - and it's all done badly.

There's clearly no attempt whatsoever to make maintainable, sustainable, scalable systems. There's jank in there right now that will never get scrubbed out - it CAN'T be fixed, because the whole project is a big wobbly pile of jank built on top of jank by people who lack experience, lack leadership, and are working in a toxic environment that trickles all the way down via Crobbler's diseased secretions.

I can say this with authority because I have been here. I have felt all this pain before, and I can see the signs very very clearly.

trucutru posted:

commando in tophat posted:
And we all know it will end in all NPCs constantly reloading in a loop, while standing on a chair, facing a wall, then T-posing and falling through floor. Can't wait for that gif

Educate yourself

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How many clips do they carry? The same limits that players have for various armor sizes. So, reloading, knowing how much ammo is left over, will impact NPC behavior.

An NPC with full back up clips and 3 rounds facing off with a full team vs. 3 PCs will reload and keep up the fire fight.

An NPC with 1 backup clip, 4 rounds and is down to two buddies, vs. 5 PCs, isn't going to reload, immediately, he/she might fire a few rounds to suppress and then withdraw, reloading and firing as he/she withdraws to a safer place where they can turn tail and run, maybe for reinforcements, maybe for a bigger gun and or reload magazines or for a way to escape where ever they are defending.

Another NPC with 4 backup clips, down to their last round might toss their weapon aside and grab the same gun that was dropped next to them by their immediately killed comrade, because this NPC knows that "NPC Frank" didn't fire off a round. So, no reloading is needed and this NPC now has a fully loaded weapon, again.

Heck, the second NPC might immediately toss the weapon down, stick its hands up and surrender at that point.

ALL of that matters.

trucutru posted:

Jonny Shiloh posted:

One more thing that just baffles me about this project is "exploration". In the mind of the Citizen, it now seems to mean "planetary exploration" but hellfire, apart from a handful of hidden sites on a couple of moons where you can read a comedy post-it note or two, what is there to explore? There is literally gently caress all on 99.99% of all the land masses in Store Citizer. There isn't even a pay off for jittering across a desert, or through a snow storm, or through a mountain of slag heaps, because you know drat well before you set off that there is sod all on the other side of that hill. Or crater, or mountain range, or continent, or moon.

When I used to play this pile of crap, I tried to console myself with the thought that, you know, I might run into something interesting just once, something a wily dev had handcrafted and tucked away in a canyon wall, or round the back of a big rock, or something. But I never ever did. Was I unlucky? I don't think so.

Quavers posted:

What a Crimestat3 looks like at Klescher: 5 - 6 hours realtime (~15 min of mining). Crimestat5: ~18 hours (~40 min mining). Your time's up, pad rammers and griefers.



Time's up for regular pirates too, I had no crime stat and tried the Caterpillar prisonners mission, get insta kill by desync npc guards, respawn in prison : 12 hours before release.

Agony Aunt posted:

When it became clear there wasn't going to be 100 systems full of interesting things to find they had to memory hole it ever was going to be like that and now focus on the one thing they can possibly explore in some way, largely empty planets with a few POIs that everyone knows about because as soon as anything is added its posted about all over spectrum/reddit. So there is actually nothing to find and explore, and there never will be, as only those who find stuff first and post about it on the forums will be those who actually are exploring. Everyone afterwards is sightseeing. These people will say this is good, while perhaps at the same time bad mouthing ED for its empty planets.

Quavers posted:

What a Crimestat3 looks like at Klescher: 5 - 6 hours realtime (~15 min of mining). Crimestat5: ~18 hours (~40 min mining). Your time's up, pad rammers and griefers.



Time's up for regular pirates too, I had no crime stat and tried the Caterpillar prisonners mission, get insta kill by desync npc guards, respawn in prison : 12 hours before release.

Sandweed posted:

do you have to be ingame for it to count down?

Inacio posted:

yes it's actually in the game.

hot ham water posted:

I'm starting to think Star Citizen might actually be bad

Lou Takki posted:

Yeah but the PIPELINES mannnnn

Agony Aunt posted:

Ah, but are you a CTO or artist?

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I have a question,the numerous (NUMEROUS) bugs and glitches that we see,if there were better communication between the (4,5?) studios and they were better managed (ie. not adding more and more problems every hour because no one knows what they’re doing) would we still be seeing all these exact same problems?
Would they even be slightly less worse?

peter gabriel posted:

When you get a 6 hour prison sentence in the game (lol) you have to be in game for the timer to countdown, and also you have to have the CI¬G Faceware webcam pointed at you, and you HAVE to have a sad remorseful expression for the full 6 hours, any smiling will reset the timer

Quavers posted:

Unmanned turrets do not fire at the player if they have a crimestat.

Colostomy Bag posted:

Do they have bail bondsman and probation officer roles yet?

Quavers posted:

What a Crimestat3 looks like at Klescher: 5 - 6 hours realtime (~15 min of mining). Crimestat5: ~18 hours (~40 min mining). Your time's up, pad rammers and griefers.



Time's up for regular pirates too, I had no crime stat and tried the Caterpillar prisonners mission, get insta kill by desync npc guards, respawn in prison : 12 hours before release.

Colostomy Bag posted:

Do they have bail bondsman and probation officer roles yet?

Agony Aunt posted:

When it became clear there wasn't going to be 100 systems full of interesting things to find they had to memory hole it ever was going to be like that and now focus on the one thing they can possibly explore in some way, largely empty planets with a few POIs that everyone knows about because as soon as anything is added its posted about all over spectrum/reddit. So there is actually nothing to find and explore, and there never will be, as only those who find stuff first and post about it on the forums will be those who actually are exploring. Everyone afterwards is sightseeing. These people will say this is good, while perhaps at the same time bad mouthing ED for its empty planets.

Quavers posted:

What a Crimestat3 looks like at Klescher: 5 - 6 hours realtime (~15 min of mining). Crimestat5: ~18 hours (~40 min mining). Your time's up, pad rammers and griefers.



Time's up for regular pirates too, I had no crime stat and tried the Caterpillar prisonners mission, get insta kill by desync npc guards, respawn in prison : 12 hours before release.

Inacio posted:

this blows, bugs can make you get crimestats. it's absurd that they think this is a good idea

Dr. Honked posted:

I've been on projects like this. The kind of bugs that we're seeing in SC - mainly random jank - are caused by lack of technical leadership, lack of architectural direction, lack of ownership, and lack of vision by the developers who are doing the work. Poor communication is a big factor but it's a by product of the things that I already mentioned. No one is in charge on the floor where the sausage is made. You can bet that each studio has communication problems internally, let alone communication between studios. Teams don't talk to each other, and I'll also put money on the fact that the production staff are completely useless too, being completely hamstrung by Crobbler's bullshit.

It's not going to get better, either. It's just going to get worse, as systems are developed and slammed together in a half assed way. I can tell you with 100% certainty that a lot of these bugs are caused by multiple people implementing the same features as each other, unaware that someone else is doing the same work - and it's all done badly.

There's clearly no attempt whatsoever to make maintainable, sustainable, scalable systems. There's jank in there right now that will never get scrubbed out - it CAN'T be fixed, because the whole project is a big wobbly pile of jank built on top of jank by people who lack experience, lack leadership, and are working in a toxic environment that trickles all the way down via Crobbler's diseased secretions.

I can say this with authority because I have been here. I have felt all this pain before, and I can see the signs very very clearly.



[quote="Dr. Honked" post="504300815"]
I've been on projects like this. The kind of bugs that we're seeing in SC - mainly random jank - are caused by lack of technical leadership, lack of architectural direction, lack of ownership, and lack of vision by the developers who are doing the work. Poor communication is a big factor but it's a by product of the things that I already mentioned. No one is in charge on the floor where the sausage is made. You can bet that each studio has communication problems internally, let alone communication between studios. Teams don't talk to each other, and I'll also put money on the fact that the production staff are completely useless too, being completely hamstrung by Crobbler's bullshit.

It's not going to get better, either. It's just going to get worse, as systems are developed and slammed together in a half assed way. I can tell you with 100% certainty that a lot of these bugs are caused by multiple people implementing the same features as each other, unaware that someone else is doing the same work - and it's all done badly.

There's clearly no attempt whatsoever to make maintainable, sustainable, scalable systems. There's jank in there right now that will never get scrubbed out - it CAN'T be fixed, because the whole project is a big wobbly pile of jank built on top of jank by people who lack experience, lack leadership, and are working in a toxic environment that trickles all the way down via Crobbler's diseased secretions.

I can say this with authority because I have been here. I have felt all this pain before, and I can see the signs very very clearly.

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Am I the only one finding this a concerning evolution?

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Quavers posted:

What a Crimestat3 looks like at Klescher: 5 - 6 hours realtime (~15 min of mining). Crimestat5: ~18 hours (~40 min mining). Your time's up, pad rammers and griefers.



Time's up for regular pirates too, I had no crime stat and tried the Caterpillar prisonners mission, get insta kill by desync npc guards, respawn in prison : 12 hours before release.

Beet Wagon posted:

Holy poo poo lmao. When they first started talking about mandatory prison sentences I remember people speculating on 20 minute sentences and laughing because even that would kill the game. loving 18 hours are you kidding me? Forty minutes of hand-mining rocks in a cave? Honestly I don't even have words for how funny this is, it's loving wild.

Inacio posted:

this blows, bugs can make you get crimestats. it's absurd that they think this is a good idea

peter gabriel posted:

You get crime stats for literally no reason all the time in game, it's going to be a real high quality car crash this, I used to get crime stats for gently caress all all the time.
Then, go on a ramming spree and get nothing, it's classic CI¬G but now 6 hours of your time is at stake ha ha