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OwlFancier posted:I don't really think the watson thing would have made much difference either way. Also to be honest the whole "he should have done x/y" is a kind of pointless exercise IMO because so much of corbyn's approach to things was driven by his pretty heavy inflexibility re: what he believed in. If you wanted a different outcome you'd need a different person, or to somehow eliminate the entire element of personal leadership from politics. Yeah, I think the characteristics that make people admire Corbyn (sticking to his principles, trying to give everyone a voice) are the same things that lead to him making 'mistakes' with respect to leading the party. If he'd just gone  at Watson then I think people might trust him less. Personally I don't think it's likely we'll find someone with the left wing convictions and the taste for blood required to put them into practice (metaphorical blood GCHQ  ), so I lean towards the option of eliminating personal leadership by ensuring that MPs and candidates all agree on a socialist agenda.
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Guavanaut posted:I saw a couple of studies around the time it hit China and was just getting started in Italy positing that smokers might be less likely to get it due to the chemistry of their upper respiratory tract, but once they did have it they were some 14x more likely to progress to ARDS.  Jim Shannon posted:I underline the point—I say this with all humbleness, Mr Speaker—that I am not technically minded. I learned how to text about two years ago. [Interruption.] I am being honest, because I want to ensure that I and perhaps others in the House, who may not have the opportunity to express themselves in the way that I have today, can participate in that voting process. I have asked the Leader of the House about that. He and I share a certain belief, which is deeply heartfelt, about moral and religious issues. I want to make sure of that for those of us who are perhaps not sure how the IT works or how the system works. I have staff, but I am conscious that they are working from their own homes. A staff member can perhaps set it up and there may be some help from IT to do that as well. He said this yesterday. (Ards is the biggest town in Strangford and where his office is, is what brought this to mind) Here's the best picture they could find of Jim to put on TV 
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Communist Thoughts posted:Yeah the UK official death curve at every stage has been matching italys despite always looking in reality like its going to be worse. Italy uses the same measurement system we do, and likely has a similar number of undisclosed deaths.
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Josef bugman posted:I think that the next major vote for leader is going to come sooner than expected and probably return someone else. In my admittedly limited knowledge party leaders are either coup'd or forced out by a major loss Given we're five years away from the next election and the only people willing to coup are the PLP, what's the mechanism you think might make this happen?
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There's a vanishingly slim possibility that leftists maintain or improve control over the NEC and change the system enough that members rather than PLP can initiate a leadership ballot, but abesnt that or some MAJOR changes over the coming years due to by-elections (which let's be honest isn't THAT unlikely given that parliament is a coronavirus hotspot...) or Keir loving up to such a terriffic extent that the media can't ignore or spin it (lol), we're not getting a new Labour leader until after Keir loses the next election.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1252841436317315072 https://twitter.com/pranesh/status/1252886640063729668 And the numbers are very similar to what the UK Institute and Faculty of Actuaries Continuous Mortality Investigation are estimating for the same value. https://www.actuaries.org.uk/news-and-insights/news/cmi-calculates-deaths-attributable-covid-19
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somehow I'm not even the slightest bit surprised that our national ppe stockpile is privatised and there's all sorts of dodgy poo poo going on around it https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/revealed-private-firm-running-uk-ppe-stockpile-was-sold-in-middle-of-pandemic actually that's not quite true, I'm a little surprised that we had any sort of stockpile, privatised or not e: also I love this line quote:For security reasons, the Guardian has been asked not to disclose the precise location of the UK’s stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE) for use in a pandemic. It is being stored on a site where builders moved the equivalent of more than 90 Olympic–size swimming pools of earth to make way for a vast, climate-controlled warehouse. 53°28'41.4"N 2°38'27.7"W M6 https://goo.gl/maps/LJe3MQWWKpc3SEUR6 XMNN fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Apr 22, 2020 17:11
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who's this army dude they've rolled out to big up the government
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1252841436317315072 The lockdown likely reduced deaths from other causes. For example car crashes or other infectious diseases. If anything that drop might mask some of the Covid deaths yet I see this trotted out again and again...
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kecske posted:who's this army dude they've rolled out to big up the government His name is Nick Carter. If I'm not mistaken there used to be a bloke called Michael Jackson in the same role :/
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wasnt he in the backstreet boys?
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The backstreet boys would have been a more interesting band if they had michael jackson.
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Barry Foster posted:In my admittedly limited knowledge party leaders are either coup'd or forced out by a major loss Possibly going to leave himself after a drubbing in a none national election. Bear in mind that this is my own ad-hoc reckon. There is no science behind it, but I think that just betting on poo poo getting weirder is always a good idea.
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Poor polling and election results can be blamed on recovering and rebuilding after the chaos of the Corbyn years for at least a decade, though
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crispix posted:Poor polling and election results can be blamed on recovering and rebuilding after the chaos of the Corbyn years for at least a decade, though "Chaos under Corbyn" is gonna be the Labour right's "Under the last Labour government" that the Tories use. With about the same amount of self-reflection.
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OwlFancier posted:This view has been advocated by experts such as former Ed Miliband adviser Torsten Bell, now head of the Resolution Foundation, who said UBI now would be “misguided given the pace of what is happening”. "Torsten Bell, now head of the Resolution Foundation" e: lol he's the guy that created the Edstone! Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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XMNN posted:lots of gorse today Ban for posting gorse. Also all this talk of gorse is almost as bad as gore to me because in common with other cockney scum I was regularly bundled off to Gorsefield, one of those weird Victorian "If we let the urchins see a tree that's as good as actually feeding and clothing them, right?" centres that unaccountably is still open to this day (now owned by LBTH themselves) and no doubt still full of way-too-enthusiastic Gap Yeh types completely baffled that a bunch of kids from the East End don't really give a poo poo about how many types of butterfly there are.
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XMNN posted:lots of gorse today Welcome to a world called Gorse! *silence, except for a gentle breeze*
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In fairness to Big Jim I never saw an Internet connection in Ards until about 2010. I assume they're still measuring connection speeds in Baud and are having arguments about whether there's any real use for the Net if you're not currently in the computer department at Queen's.
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https://twitter.com/chienontheloose/status/1253019808267976704?s=19 Tony Blair just exists to remind everyone he's a oval office.
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Working in museums and hearing the utterly batshit way they want to get Teenagers especially "engaging with the collection" really does make me want to break down and cry. The people who suggest it never think about what teenagers actually want they always think about what their view of teenagers want. Personally, just give kids a place to hang out with each other and take the occasional cool photo and have done with it, no museum in history is ever going to be "cool" so stop trying.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Welcome to a world called Gorse! *silence, except for a gentle breeze* I'm fairly sure we went over the counter-earth fairly recently.
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Josef bugman posted:Working in museums and hearing the utterly batshit way they want to get Teenagers especially "engaging with the collection" really does make me want to break down and cry. The people who suggest it never think about what teenagers actually want they always think about what their view of teenagers want. Just imagining a rapping Isambard Kingdom Brunel for some reason 
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OwlFancier posted:I'm fairly sure we went over the counter-earth fairly recently.
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Lol the bomb squad had to come out to my village today and detonate a WW2 bomb that's been sitting under a pub's beer garden.
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Josef bugman posted:Working in museums and hearing the utterly batshit way they want to get Teenagers especially "engaging with the collection" really does make me want to break down and cry. The people who suggest it never think about what teenagers actually want they always think about what their view of teenagers want. You can't say this and not share examples
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XMNN posted:somehow I'm not even the slightest bit surprised that our national ppe stockpile is privatised and there's all sorts of dodgy poo poo going on around it
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The LAST LABOUR GOVERNMENT
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:You can't say this and not share examples I'm picturing a large but modern conference table surrounded by office chairs, crammed into a small, windowless room, panelled in dark wood and with an alcove at one end displaying a bust of the 18th century merchant who paid for its construction. Around the table sit men and women ranging from late middle age to early stage fossilisation, they've been cloistered since before the corona crisis began and are entirely unaware of it. The youngest of those gathered - barely into their 50s - speaks, waking several curators who had been gently snoring. "I hear the young people today are eating a lot of rear end. What do we have on that in the archive?"
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:You can't say this and not share examples Stuff like we had a "ghost finding app" for one part of the museum, but it was in an area that saw very little footfall from anyone, never mind children, and was written with way more complexity than any young kid could get through, and was so slow to work that no teenager is going to sit around and play with it. Also the constant "how can we make this more engaging" schpiel. I want to say that, fundamentally I am not sure you can. What we have on display is boring. The primary way of making it more interesting would be to have stuff that connects to people, not just stuff the curatorial team is interested in. One of the best ways to make something teenagers like is to make something good that is not neccesarily for them. Make something that you yourself could go and see, and try not to be such a big nerd that you think every child would be mad to miss out on "Another Picture of Henry the loving VIII" Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Museums should hire me I will get the yoof into your museum 10000% as long as you give me the budget to buy all the roman winged phalluses and a room to put them in. ALSO I will require one boar vessel, etruscan 600-500 BCE.
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Invade Turkey for secondhand PPE. It's a dumb reason but I mean you might as well use those aircraft carriers and F-35s for something right?
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Other things that are cool to put in museums: Guns, Skeletons, Big Skeletons, Machines, Swords, Big Axes, Stuffed Animals, Mummies, Tanks, Cars.
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Josef bugman posted:Stuff like we had a "ghost finding app" for one part of the museum, but it was in an area that saw very little footfall from anyone, never mind children, and was written with way more complexity than any young kid could get through, and was so slow to work that no teenager is going to sit around and play with it. Honestly a ghost hunting app that sends you to some dusty abandoned corner of the museum sounds pretty cool to me if it's implemented well. Or as the start of an episode of black mirror
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OwlFancier posted:Other things that are cool to put in museums: Guns, Skeletons, Big Skeletons, Machines, Swords, Big Axes, Stuffed Animals, Mummies, Tanks, Cars. Old-timey sex toys
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zhar posted:Honestly a ghost hunting app that sends you to some dusty abandoned corner of the museum sounds pretty cool to me if it's implemented well. Or as the start of an episode of black mirror Oh if it had been good and put in place somewhere cool it would have been fantastic. As is, it was super half arsed.
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