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My favourites are (excluding FF7R idk how to slot it in, maybe alongside VII) 1. XV 2. VII 3. XII XV is a joyful, beautiful game and the closest thing to real friendship I will ever experience. The lead-up to the end is pretty poor, but ifrit is loving incredible and one of history's greatest anime battles.
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I absolutely hate 12 despite having tried to play it no fewer than three times. Every single time it just bores the poo poo out of me, even at 4x speed on the remaster. I think FF8 is great if you ignore its oddities because the world itself is neat (although in a lot of ways it feels more bare than 7's world, and definitely more bare than 9's) and the junction system is neat despite the leveling system going against what you want to actually do. I'd have normally said it has the best soundtrack in the series but 7R may actually take that title back at this point.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:48
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Harrow posted:Well poo poo if we're gonna have the "rank your favorite FFs" discussion I'm not going to not participate. Same. For reference my first FF game was 4 1. X 2. Tactics 3. V 4. IX 5. VI 6. IV 7. VII 8. XII 9. I 10. Mystic Quest 11. VIII 12. XV 13. XIII 14. III 15. II XIV could be anywhere on this list depending on what year of the game we're talking about (Currently i'd put it above Tactics, although release would be right above II). X and V were games that I didn't really have good first impressions of, but grew a lot on me over time. Four Job Fiestas really make V a great game (plus blue magic being... blue magic). While X I love simply because of the progression system and the focus on turn based/party swap combat. I really need to get around to playing X-2, because i've been on a FF kick after this remake and will probably get around to that after I finish IX again.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:53
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triple sulk posted:I absolutely hate 12 despite having tried to play it no fewer than three times. Every single time it just bores the poo poo out of me, even at 4x speed on the remaster. It's been talked about at length I know, but honestly what kills XII for me is deciding that Vaan instead of Ashe or Basch or Balthier should be our POV. It is shocking how quickly he becomes irrelevant.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:58
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god please let me see red XIII come back home please let me see him quietly die inside as bugenhagen greets him with scritches behind the ears and he's unable to hide how much he likes it my biggest concern with the sudden overdose of nomura's trademark metaphysics is that it often gives characters no time to do anything but exposit about the convoluted soul/heart/time poo poo that's strangling the plot
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Apr 22, 2020 16:00
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Now that I've finished the game, I wonder how necessary the whispers even are. Considering how many people I've seen play hoping/convinced that Biggs, Wedge and Jessie would be spared this go around, I honestly feel they could just... change things in the plot, and if those changes were compelling people might just accept them. Or at least accept them more than they'd accept 'Plot Ghosts did it.' Oh well, one consequence of all this is that I DESPERATELY want part II now, just to see what the hell they do. If it was a straight remake I'd just be 'that was great' and then I wouldn't think about it again until the next one came out.
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Apr 22, 2020 16:07
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The Doomhammer posted:Now that I've finished the game, I wonder how necessary the whispers even are. Considering how many people I've seen play hoping/convinced that Biggs, Wedge and Jessie would be spared this go around, I honestly feel they could just... change things in the plot, and if those changes were compelling people might just accept them. Or at least accept them more than they'd accept 'Plot Ghosts did it.' i think that final fantasy vii has become as intimidatingly monolithic to its creators as it has for much of the public, and nomura especially has lately gotten pretty blatant about textualizing his own creative struggles and frustrations - just look at the poo poo he pulled with the KH3 epilogue so he wrote in this giant metaphysical antagonist that symbolizes the efforts of himself and the development team to overcome the sanctity of the original game, so that in order for cloud and co. to leave midgar - itself maybe the most iconic location in jrpg's - they need to literally kill the past of their own franchise suda51 would probably approve
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guts and bolts posted:edit2: gently caress now I'm gonna put them in order from best to worst. Judge me, I care not this is an extremely good list even if ff9 is by far my favourite simply because you are giving ff5 the props it deserves. even if ff1 is getting snubbed. where would you put ff7r?
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triple sulk posted:I think FF8 is great if you ignore its oddities because the world itself is neat (although in a lot of ways it feels more bare than 7's world, and definitely more bare than 9's) and the junction system is neat despite the leveling system going against what you want to actually do. I'd have normally said it has the best soundtrack in the series but 7R may actually take that title back at this point. I have this thing with FF8 where I can see all of the ways that it could be great and that makes me really want to love it, but then it just doesn't quite work for me. I really like the setting, the music is fantastic, and I think the idea of the junction system is rad as hell, but something about putting it all together just doesn't hit home when I try to play it. I've had a bunch of thoughts about how I'd rebalance the junction/leveling system if I was going to mod it or something, but I'm not too sure what would work. Arrrthritis posted:I really need to get around to playing X-2, because i've been on a FF kick after this remake and will probably get around to that after I finish IX again. X-2 is a really good time. IMO it has the best iteration of the classic ATB system--it's really fast-paced and fluid, which I appreciate--and its take on the job system, with on-the-fly job changing in battle, is great. Just a fun game all around.
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Apr 22, 2020 16:33
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9, 7r, 5, tactics, 6, 10, 7, 8, 14, 10-2, 1, 3, tactics advanced, 13, 4, 12, 2 have not played 15 or 11, mystic quest doesnt count but if it did it would be in the shame zone with 12 and 2. i think 4 was mediocre, tactics advanced was fun but kinda flawed, and everything above 3 is a good game
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Apr 22, 2020 16:36
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What are the best weapons at level 6?
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Apr 22, 2020 16:45
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FFVII Remake SPOILER THREAD - Lots of speculation for everyone!
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i'll admit the same thing jumped to my mind too, but part of what made ME3's awful ending so explosive was that the developers fully intended to end the series on all those questions FF7R doesn't, and even if the rest of the series doesn't get made (which is likely!) its own bananas conclusion is still a neat metaphor about the creators of a seminal work trying to break away from that work's influence
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Apr 22, 2020 17:48
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Beefstew posted:I do like how folks have responded so sincerely to the character moments in this game, even when they hate the stupid ghost poo poo. It's rare that you see Vinny get emotional over something in a video game. I think, in recent history, only Mother 3 had the same effect. I don't care if the ending is a bit dorky, I still love the rest of the game to bits.
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Apr 22, 2020 17:54
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Tactics is by far the best FF game but if we are going down the mainline only then I'm a super weirdo who likes 8/6/7 in that order before getting to X/XV Shadowbringers was also probably the best FF story we've gotten since X though but I don't think it's fair to put 1.0, ARR, and Stormblood into that when compared to other mainline titles. I'm really like 9 as I'm playing through it, but still a little bit put off about the sudden halt to the hype train that happened, I only played a little bit past that part and turned it off to go to bed so maybe it doesn't last long and it picks up quickly and I haven't seen it.
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Apr 22, 2020 17:56
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I still feel that the most emotionally impactful moment in the whole game was Barret going completely out of character with dread about what happened to Marlene, even though the audience knows she's fine. It's a good demonstration of the fact that you don't actually need to kill anybody to tug at the audience's heart strings.
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The Doomhammer posted:Now that I've finished the game, I wonder how necessary the whispers even are. Considering how many people I've seen play hoping/convinced that Biggs, Wedge and Jessie would be spared this go around, I honestly feel they could just... change things in the plot, and if those changes were compelling people might just accept them. Or at least accept them more than they'd accept 'Plot Ghosts did it.' Yeah, the intent of introducing and subsequently killing the Plot Ghosts was to explicitly give the devs permission to freely make changes. What you're thinking of is the point of having them at all. Oxxidation posted:i think that final fantasy vii has become as intimidatingly monolithic to its creators as it has for much of the public, and nomura especially has lately gotten pretty blatant about textualizing his own creative struggles and frustrations - just look at the poo poo he pulled with the KH3 epilogue I really, really loving love this interpretation of the ending. It's both hilarious and awesome.
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Sapozhnik posted:I still feel that the most emotionally impactful moment in the whole game was Barret going completely out of character with dread about what happened to Marlene, even though the audience knows she's fine. It's a good demonstration of the fact that you don't actually need to kill anybody to tug at the audience's heart strings. I really loved the part where he went up to Cloud and was like "just lie to me and tell me you know she's okay, I promise I won't be mad if you're wrong...Oh who am I kidding, we both know I'd rip your head off."
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Apr 22, 2020 18:12
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Pollyanna posted:It's rare that you see Vinny get emotional over something in a video game. I think, in recent history, only Mother 3 had the same effect. He cries at the ending of Chrono Trigger (which he does like once a year, lol). He was also clearly crying at the end of Silent Hill 2. But yeah, you could tell the Tifa scene hit him really hard. It made my roommate cry. She had also lost family in 9/11, so it hit close to home for her.
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Apr 22, 2020 18:57
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After watching them all I definitely wish I'd gotten the Tifa scene in Chapter 14 instead of the Aerith one. The Aerith one has some nice mystery and teasing at something larger, but Tifa's scene is just so real and human.
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Apr 22, 2020 19:01
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I watched the other two immediately on youtube anyway
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Oh sure, I just wish I'd seen that one in-context as part of going through the main story.
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I got the Tifa one because Tifa is the best, always and forever, and I didn't even know it was a mutually exclusive scene because it just fit so well.
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Apr 22, 2020 19:15
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The affection level also determines the order characters jump into the final battle right?
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Apr 22, 2020 19:16
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The affection level also determines the order characters jump into the final battle right? Yep. One advantage to having the highest affection with Aerith is that her line when she jumps in first in the final battle is 
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Apr 22, 2020 19:17
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As far as I know getting anyone other than Aeris for the dream sequence means you have to NOT do all the extra quests the moment they're available, which is simply an impossibility for me.
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Apr 22, 2020 19:18
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I got tifa the first time and I did every possible first run sidequest, so its not just that.
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Apr 22, 2020 19:19
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I did all of the quests and got Tifa, AND Aeris was the first to show up during the final battle. So what actually affects the order in the final battle, and can you get Barret there?
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Apr 22, 2020 19:23
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Beefstew posted:I did all of the quests and got Tifa, AND Aeris was the first to show up during the final battle. Yes this was my situation too, I accidentally picked all the anti-Aerith options without thinking lol (just like in the original)
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Apr 22, 2020 19:24
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Beefstew posted:I did all of the quests and got Tifa, AND Aeris was the first to show up during the final battle. So what actually affects the order in the final battle, and can you get Barret there? All the videos I've seen have Barret joining 2nd in the final fight. Tifa and Aerith I've seen them either joining 1st or 2nd.
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Apr 22, 2020 19:25
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lezard_valeth posted:All the videos I've seen have Barret joining 2nd in the final fight. Tifa and Aerith I've seen them either joining 1st or 2nd. For my final fight I had Barret join in first, then Tifa 2nd. I think it may have to do with how much you use party members? Because I used Barret a fuckton whenever I could.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yes this was my situation too, I accidentally picked all the anti-Aerith options without thinking lol (just like in the original) I picked "How much?" because I didn't realize what kind of inn it was 
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I picked it because I figured Cloud wouldn't know what kind of inn it was 
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It's been...goddamn, 20 years since I last played OG Final Fantasy 7. I'm starting a new playthrough once it finishes downloading, and I never learned any of the deep secrets or hardcore gamer strats. Is there a video series out there that summarizes them or something?
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Pollyanna posted:It's been...goddamn, 20 years since I last played OG Final Fantasy 7. I'm starting a new playthrough once it finishes downloading, and I never learned any of the deep secrets or hardcore gamer strats. Is there a video series out there that summarizes them or something? if you are down for reading I'm sure there's a gamefaqs somewhere (Also download New Threat!)
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Pollyanna posted:It's been...goddamn, 20 years since I last played OG Final Fantasy 7. I'm starting a new playthrough once it finishes downloading, and I never learned any of the deep secrets or hardcore gamer strats. Is there a video series out there that summarizes them or something? the hardcore gamer strat is to play the video game, it's not a hard game except for some of the maps being kind of hard to tell where you're supposed to go
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I don't know how linking to mods are since it's another forum but FF7 New Threat is a really really good mod and you should play with it combined with like the HD mod since the power of the computer allows us to do so
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Pollyanna posted:It's been...goddamn, 20 years since I last played OG Final Fantasy 7. I'm starting a new playthrough once it finishes downloading, and I never learned any of the deep secrets or hardcore gamer strats. Is there a video series out there that summarizes them or something? I've been using this guide to sperg hard on all the secret poo poo: https://jegged.com/Games/Final-Fantasy-VII/Walkthrough/Disc-1/ I was trying out The Reunion mod and the game soft locks permanently at the end of Temple of the Ancients and I needed to restart my run, after I spent several days dicking around with the Tiny Bronco farming up the sandworms near Mideel. I've been watching Moonmoon play through New Threat and tried it out myself, it's quite a difference having to actually manage materia in the early game and the mod encourages plenty of barrier usage early on. Super easy to install with 7th Heaven and IRO installer as well.
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Kill All Cops posted:I've been using this guide to sperg hard on all the secret poo poo: https://jegged.com/Games/Final-Fantasy-VII/Walkthrough/Disc-1/ I also used this as a checklist when I replayed it earlier this year, their guides seem pretty good overall Also imo FF7 graphics mods look like poo poo, the "improved" models always look completely out of place. It's an old game, let it look like one
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The hardcore gamer strat of every Final Fantasy game is about grinding to max level (Or in the case of FF8, grinding while remaining at minimum level  )
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