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imo, the idea of 'power fantasy' in isekai is less important than the ways in which is approaches worldview? a lot of isekai imagines a world in which a main character, who is a pastiche of a lot of real world traits the intended audience can empathize with, is sent into a world that directly challenges the way they live their life. some shows use this to have the person learn stuff like "hey, getting to know people I would normally dismiss is really rewarding actually" or "some problems can't be solved alone." pretty standard poo poo to stories, obv, but still a lot of the lovely isekai, tho, tends to be about going to a world that confirms everything you believed already. the kinds of people you don't like? they're actual evil villains here, so it's okay to beat the poo poo out of them to help people. you don't have to learn new things, the stuff you already know makes you perfect here. the world doesn't help the protagonist change for the better, the protagonist goes into a world that is changed to be perfect for them. its why, i think, people conflate this with power fantasy, even though a lot of good quality stuff is also power fantasy. just spitballing here tho
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Apr 22, 2020 07:18
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Noo Katarina nee-san you can't climb trees that's unladylike. hahaha branch go swish
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Apr 22, 2020 07:22
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Varinn posted:a lot of the lovely isekai, tho, tends to be about going to a world that confirms everything you believed already. the kinds of people you don't like? they're actual evil villains here, so it's okay to beat the poo poo out of them to help people. you don't have to learn new things, the stuff you already know makes you perfect here. the world doesn't help the protagonist change for the better, the protagonist goes into a world that is changed to be perfect for them. its why, i think, people conflate this with power fantasy, even though a lot of good quality stuff is also power fantasy. I too am talking out of my rear end.
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Apr 22, 2020 08:28
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A lot of garbage power fantasies are those that start at completely unbelievable heights, and shows them going up even more and more. Bookworm has her start at the very bottom, and everytime she takes two steps forward she has to take one step back. Even now in season 2 she's nowhere near where she was in her previous life, let alone near the top. Bakarina also starts at the worse possible part (execution if this continues) and even if she manages to overcome it, her most likely endgame is having a life filled with close friends (and romance partners), nowhere near the sort of garbage power fantasies.
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Apr 22, 2020 08:40
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This is why Futurama is the best isekai because Fry will never become more than a delivery boy and his only special ability is being stupid. 
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Apr 22, 2020 09:26
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Oh my god, I'm sorry, enough! I'm sorry thread, there's nothing wrong with enjoying Isekai. I just personally don't like them! I personally find this style of story boring. I also don't like time travel stories. It's just my personal preference. chumbler posted:I get nothing from power fantasies because I am already awesome and correct in every situation. Also this
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Apr 22, 2020 09:35
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Reminds me of Bofuri, where the heroine follows the isekai-style One Weird Trick to become a demigod with a bunch of 3dark5edgy powers, but it's happening in an MMO that everyone treats as light, inconsequential entertainment with no significant real-world stakes, so it just becomes a meditation on how you derive pleasure from gaming. Also, people get devoured by giant eldritch monsters to light, cheery montage music and then shitpost on message boards about it.
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Apr 22, 2020 10:43
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I think basically you can adopt a broad notion of "power fantasy" as any story where the main character has particular abilities that give them agency in the plot but to do so seems overly broad, to the extent that in some genres it's hard to think of works that aren't power fantasy. It would be better and more fair IMO to think about what people typically mean when they criticise a work as being a power fantasy, which is usually some combination of: 1. If the progression of the plot is such that the main character doesn't have to address any flaws or make any compromises, but merely acquires more and more powers, so the characters lack development 2. If the core of the work is about the main character overcoming obstacles, but the obstacles we are supposed to be invested in overcoming are overcame too easily and predictably, so the work lacks tension 3. If there's an obvious element where there's the hand of the author telling the audience basically "you are perfect just the way you are, it is the situation you are in that fails to show how awesome you are", so the work feels patronising 4. If they think the main character is just very shallow, or otherwise obnoxious, outside of the their power set, and not in any particularly interesting way 5. If they think the work embodies a childish and/or toxic philosophy of power, like "if you are really strong you should rule, and also all the chicks should wanna gently caress you" Edit: VVV a fistful of dollars is an isekai Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Apr 22, 2020 12:19
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While we're all pontificating: I think an important part of the fantasy of most isekai, even the ones that avoid making their protagonist ultra-competent in some way, is being a (charming, possibly useful) outsider with unusual ideas and none of their new society's prejudices. Isekai protagonists often "cut diagonally" across social structures, making friends with both thieves and nobility and, of course, telling some kind of hot monster boy/girl that you think his wings are beautiful or what have you.
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Apr 22, 2020 12:35
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Grouchio posted:Re Zero I feel really turns this on its head throughout the first season, cause our subaru constantly eats poo poo from his assumptions about isekai backfiring and has to learn from them and improve as a character to move anywhere towards his goals; something I really appreciate about that series. Plus most of the cast can beat him in a fight easily and his powers involve groundhog day loops he has no control over, through constant agony and death, which sucks. And we're just getting started, with the best cliffhanger of all time. It takes the idea of backpedaling a bit from being a power fantasy and instead rolls all the way back down the hill and off the cliff. It's endless torment powerless-against-plot poo poo, like that arc in Accel World with the douchebag that steals other users' powers and just goes full sadistic rear end in a top hat on Haru for about three episodes too long. That makes two examples of some antonym of power fantasy in isekai then, but to me it's just misery porn. There is definitely a subset of people who are deeply into that as much as there are people who are cool with vapid power fantasies. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Apr 22, 2020 12:38
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Ranzear posted:Someone will whine about my hateboner for Re:Zero as usual, but I'll agree that it's definitely not a power fantasy. It's an Impotence Fantasy. It's about having such insane power as to be literally loving immortal and precognitive, but still sucking so hard that someone has to finally give you a pitious pat on the back and put you on the protagonist pedestal because we're twelve episodes in and need to move the loving plot along already because this dense jerk won't stop doing the same thing that got him killed last time.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:45
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Splode posted:Oh my god, I'm sorry, enough! no, keep up bullying these people!
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Apr 22, 2020 16:17
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I want to read a power fantasy where someone ends this dumbass conversation.
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Apr 22, 2020 16:38
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I Got Hit By A Truck And Woke Up As An SA Mod
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Apr 22, 2020 16:59
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sinky posted:I Got Hit By A Truck And Woke Up As An SA Mod by Julias
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Apr 22, 2020 18:03
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sinky posted:I Got Hit By A Truck And Woke Up As An SA Mod
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Apr 22, 2020 18:28
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sinky posted:I Got Hit By A Truck And Woke Up As An SA Mod 
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Apr 22, 2020 20:05
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Silver2195 posted:So far, that seems true, yeah. They're oddly matter-of-fact about it, too; I like that when when of the princes accuses Bakarina of trying to seduce his fiancée, she doesn't respond with "What are you talking about? We're both girls!" the way I expected, but just thinks to herself that he misunderstood her intentions. I almost wish she went full chaotic neutral and went "hell yeah I did, the wedding's tomorrow"
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Apr 22, 2020 22:52
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Tower of God continues to be my show of the season. Surprised there's no thread for it yet
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Apr 22, 2020 23:38
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Mostly just gets discussed in the manwha thread, as you might expect. It's definitely been a highlight, I'm glad it's been a great adaption so far.
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Apr 22, 2020 23:47
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If youre the type of person who needs to breathlessly ask permission to like an anime i get why power fantasies would be appealing
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Apr 22, 2020 23:54
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Nitrousoxide posted:Tower of God continues to be my show of the season. That's because people are talking about it in the manwha thread  though I guess I can link it in the thread op. Same thing with the gundam divers show, being talked about in the gundam thread.
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Apr 23, 2020 00:09
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Nate RFB posted:Mostly just gets discussed in the manwha thread, as you might expect. I feel like the first episode missed some of the nuances of the comic. Part of this is due to a few omitted lines that make Headon, Rachel, and even Baam seem rather mysterious and sinister in the comic (e.g., Baam admitting that Rachel sometimes lies to him). But I wonder if the real problem is the pacing just not translating well; I feel like the chapter breaks and use of empty space create a certain sense of suspense that, for example, obscures the fact that basically every person Baam meets early on conveniently bails him out of danger. Julias posted:That's because people are talking about it in the manwha thread I think a separate thread for people who haven't read the comic could be interesting.
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Apr 23, 2020 00:12
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I have an exam on Friday, but after that I can try my hand at making a thread for the Tower of God anime. (Feel free to make one before me.)
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Apr 23, 2020 01:07
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So in shows probably getting worked over by Corona add Tamayomi which shipped out a super unfinished episode to some stations and Funimation and had a more polished version delivered later https://twitter.com/HolyAjora/status/1253032820450230276 I suspect the production itself will get delayed
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Apr 23, 2020 01:15
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Apr 23, 2020 01:51
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Apr 23, 2020 02:16
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kirara series usually get picked up by good studios so seeing that one get shortchanged is disappointing.
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Apr 23, 2020 02:24
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The Colonel posted:
an absolute tank change the character design to this tia
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Apr 23, 2020 02:26
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SatoshiMiwa posted:So in shows probably getting worked over by Corona add Tamayomi which shipped out a super unfinished episode to some stations and Funimation and had a more polished version delivered later What the hell? They coloured and inbetweened two different versions of the episode?
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Apr 23, 2020 02:30
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You gotta get SOMETHING out, it's deadlines.
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Apr 23, 2020 02:39
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I know it's not uncommon to have tweaks between airing/blu releases but what the gently caress that girl's Dummy Meaty
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Apr 23, 2020 02:40
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Elephant Parade posted:Re:Zero isn't misery porn. I think I watched Accel World not long before Re:Zero aired, incidentally, so it very likely colored my opinion of the latter.
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Apr 23, 2020 02:52
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I wonder how long it took to draw the first version of Tamayomi 4 compared to the final version. Assuming it was done by the same people.
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Apr 23, 2020 02:52
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Silver2195 posted:I feel like the first episode missed some of the nuances of the comic. Part of this is due to a few omitted lines that make Headon, Rachel, and even Baam seem rather mysterious and sinister in the comic (e.g., Baam admitting that Rachel sometimes lies to him). But I wonder if the real problem is the pacing just not translating well; I feel like the chapter breaks and use of empty space create a certain sense of suspense that, for example, obscures the fact that basically every person Baam meets early on conveniently bails him out of danger. quote:I think a separate thread for people who haven't read the comic could be interesting.
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Apr 23, 2020 02:57
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The anime's art is WAAAAAAAY better than the manwha from what I've seen in a couple of chapters.
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Apr 23, 2020 03:03
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rofl but i can't poo poo too hard on the wageslaves trying to put product out during a pandemic
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Apr 23, 2020 03:23
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nice to see this trend of super strong characters
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Ranzear posted:That's why I brought up Accel World's weird arc where it just grinds maliciously on the main character with no sign of resolution for far too long, even going as far as doxxing and dragging gaming beef into IRL, which is gently caress off levels of taboo to me. Accel World isn't misery porn either, but my point is a reactionary response to 'Power Fantasy' can definitely flip right back around into borderline misery porn and that kind of writing is just as lazy and bad.
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