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Gonzo McFee posted:Lol Biden isn't left wing enough to be Neoliberal. Point still stands
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volts5000 posted:Right, because if the Republicans win, they will obviously welcome us with open arms and certainly won't consolidate the current corporate stranglehold on our government. When it comes to climate change, the parties are identical
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A big flaming stink posted:When it comes to climate change, the parties are identical Ok. What about where they differ?
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It's just one pint of ice cream, Bernie. What could it possibly cost, $70?Wicked Them Beats posted:If you ever claimed that Warren is a progressive now is as good a time as any to apologize Is she pivoting to the "badasses" coalition?
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Ither posted:I'm very well aware that bad things happen under Democratic administrations. Biden's first ad against Trump was that Trump let in too many Chinese after the outbreak started. The caravans of people from Honduras started after a 2009 coup supported by the US transformed Honduras in a narcostate with the highest murder rate in the world. Obama's solution to child detention centers was expedited deportations back to places like Honduras to the point they successfully argued in court that 3 year olds can represent themselves in court with no lawyer or parent present for deportation. This isn't to say that Obama was worse than Trump. But it is not at all clear that he wasn't, when you look at data on deportations, Yemen, Honduras, etc. So even if Obama was better, it was by a very slim margin.
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Apogee15 posted:https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/aoc-announces-on-instagram-that-she-will-vote-for-joe-biden/ This wont stop them from trying to primary her.
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volts5000 posted:Ok. What about where they differ? The differences are pretty irrelevant when compared to billions of people suffering and dying due to climate death. volts5000 posted:Look, either Biden or Trump is going to become president. If you know that one weird trick that will prevent either of them from becoming president, we'd all love to hear it because November will be here before you know it. None of us wanted Biden. Absolutely none of us at all. But I think it would help if we regained some perspective and stop giving the GOP credit that is completely undeserved. Let's keep in mind that the GOP is the party of authoritarianism and fascism. It's their brand. A brand that is kept cohesive and unified by all party members and elected officials keeping in lockstep with each other. A unity that is shared with their base thanks to a vast billionaire-funded right-wing media ecosphere. The Democrats wished they had that level of cohesion. The Dem establishment keeps giving the GOP pretty much everything they want and the only reason why they even offer token resistance is because Trump doesn't play by the rules of  Biden as Prez would just lead to the Dems dropping even that and normalize fascism into the bipartisan consensus.
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well yeah you gotta go for head shots if its hogan on the receiving end
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Imagine watching this election and thinking Alyssa Milano et al wouldn't line up behind a fascist with a (D) next to their name. Biden and his ilk aren't watching the fascists and getting sad that democracy is flailing. They're looking at the fascists and whispering to themselves "that could be me."
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volts5000 posted:Point still stands It does not. Jesse Ventura is our only hope.
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volts5000 posted:Ok. What about where they differ? hire 👏 more 👏 women 👏 prison/detention camp 👏 guards 👏 and uh, like diversity in the boardroom and in the drone operator double-wide trailer
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Uncle Wemus posted:This wont stop them from trying to primary her. Obviously not, the point is that you have multiple progressive figureheads saying that voting for Biden is better than the alternative of having Trump be president for 4 more years.
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You know, I think the most ridiculous thing is whenever someone starts going off ITT assuring everybody that they also think that Biden is a complete piece of garbage and unacceptably bad but in the next sentence they start yelling about how it's absolutely critical that everyone uncritically play along with the system so fundamentally broken that it's resulted in two options that both most likely mean the end of civilization as we know it. Not to mention normalizing the idea that it doesn't matter how morally abominable on a personal level a candidate is as long as he's on the right team, but I digress. There's some serious loving lack of perspective going on here, is what I'm saying.
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Cerebral Bore posted:The differences are pretty irrelevant when compared to billions of people suffering and dying due to climate death. So voting rights, women's rights, not having fascists in charge, that's all negligible? I agree that climate change is a huge deal, but (as of right now because of the choice of candidates) I'd rather take token resistance as opposed to accelerationism. Cerebral Bore posted:The Dem establishment keeps giving the GOP pretty much everything they want and the only reason why they even offer token resistance is because Trump doesn't play by the rules of Token resistance being in charge is not the same as an actual fascist being in charge. Decorum can be used as leverage against the Democrats. Republicans don't give a poo poo. Is it great leverage? No, but it's better than no leverage.
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To the folks saying that we have to vote for Biden: how much worse of a candidate would he have to be for you to not vote for him? You're clearly comfortable voting for Blue Trump but would you be in here arguing that the loving Jews need to stop complaining, ignore that book he wrote and the speeches he's given, and vote for Blue Hitler? As far as I'm concerned the campaign has told me not to vote Biden and unlike him, I listen when someone says no
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Phone posted:hire 👏 more 👏 women 👏 prison/detention camp 👏 guards 👏 Point to where I support this. Quote it right here.
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Phone posted:hire 👏 more 👏 women 👏 prison/detention camp 👏 guards 👏 Less masturbation in front of the child cages.
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volts5000 posted:So voting rights, women's rights, not having fascists in charge, that's all negligible? I agree that climate change is a huge deal, but (as of right now because of the choice of candidates) I'd rather take token resistance as opposed to accelerationism. the democratic primary is still on going with the ny dems not being able to keep it in their pants for 5 minutes and are trying to actively kick bernie off of the ballot, iowa was not even 3 months ago, the dnc and biden's campaign being like "oh yeah it's safe to vote" in the middle of march was barely 5 weeks ago, the round of voting including wisconsin was 3 weeks ago... and you have the gall to come in here and lead with "well what about voting rights?" jesus christ
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volts5000 posted:Point to where I support this. Quote it right here. you asked where do the dems and the republicans differ since climate change is off of the table, read your own posts e: here 
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volts5000 posted:So voting rights, women's rights, not having fascists in charge, that's all negligible? I agree that climate change is a huge deal, but (as of right now because of the choice of candidates) I'd rather take token resistance as opposed to accelerationism. As I already mentioned, you don't even get token resistance with Biden in the White House, you get the normalization of Trump's policies. Also the Dems have been spending weeks screaming about how their rapist is better than the other rapist and that the woman he raped is a lying Russian whore anyway and here you come and pretend that you can move them with loving decorum? Get real.
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Phone posted:the democratic primary is still on going with the ny dems not being able to keep it in their pants for 5 minutes and are trying to actively kick bernie off of the ballot, iowa was not even 3 months ago, the dnc and biden's campaign being like "oh yeah it's safe to vote" in the middle of march was barely 5 weeks ago, the round of voting including wisconsin was 3 weeks ago... Who's pushing voter ID? Who's trying to kill vote by mail? Who's trying to whittle away VRA even further?
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Wicked Them Beats posted:If you ever claimed that Warren is a progressive now is as good a time as any to apologize In a reasonable world this whole situation would shame these folks into silence (or ideally lead to them changing their minds), but they seem to have smoothly moved on to the next thing to accuse the left of being unrealistically cynical about. Ither posted:I'm very well aware that bad things happen under Democratic administrations. The millions of people killed/displaced in Yemen and Libya (among other places, but those two stand out) can largely be blamed on US action, as well as the millions deported under Obama (who oversaw a stark increase in deportations). And this is ignoring the millions domestically who are harmed as a result of our corrupt/racist justice system (which is just sort of taken as neutral by liberals for whatever reason, rather than an ongoing crime that whoever is in power shares responsibility for). While it's impossible to get direct numbers, it is very unlikely that stuff like the ACA outweighs this. The ACA may have increased the number of people insured, but most of those people have awful insurance that doesn't really help (as demonstrated by the fact that medical debt/bankruptcy didn't drop). The most helpful aspect of the ACA (and probably the most beneficial act under Obama period), the Medicaid expansion, likely did not save nearly enough lives to even remotely offset harm over the same time, assuming this* is even remotely accurate. And you're the one making a positive claim here - your argument rests on the assumption that Democrats cause incremental good. The burden of proof here is on you. You aren't just magically correct unless God himself can come down and give you the precise number of people who have died as a result of US action. * https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicaid-expansion-has-saved-at-least-19000-lives-new-research-finds (I don't know how reliable the CBPP is, but unless it's like 2 orders of magnitude off it doesn't really make a difference for the point I'm making vvv Oh yeah, Honduras also joepinetree posted:Biden's first ad against Trump was that Trump let in too many Chinese after the outbreak started. The caravans of people from Honduras started after a 2009 coup supported by the US transformed Honduras in a narcostate with the highest murder rate in the world. Obama's solution to child detention centers was expedited deportations back to places like Honduras to the point they successfully argued in court that 3 year olds can represent themselves in court with no lawyer or parent present for deportation. This isn't to say that Obama was worse than Trump. But it is not at all clear that he wasn't, when you look at data on deportations, Yemen, Honduras, etc. So even if Obama was better, it was by a very slim margin. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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volts5000 posted:Point to where I support this. Quote it right here. you're voting for joe biden volts5000 posted:Right, because if the Republicans win, they will obviously welcome us with open arms and certainly won't consolidate the current corporate stranglehold on our government. joe "servant of capital" biden will certainly make a dent in the corporate stranglehold btw it's already consolidated, it's been consolidated for god knows how long
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Doctor Jeep posted:you're voting for joe biden at least since bill clinton and greenspan sat down together if not longer
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Phone posted:you asked where do the dems and the republicans differ since climate change is off of the table, read your own posts I don't see me supporting perpetual Middle East wars in that post. I also don't see me supporting shallow identity politics in that post. I just see me trying to differentiate the parties in a broader perspective. I think you're just reading what you want and assuming that poo poo.
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"muh voting rights," I cry as democrats vote for another trump judge
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Joe Biden: Rapist Donald Trump: serial rapist Jesse The Body Ventura: Sexual Tyrannosaurus. You know how to vote with your morals.
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It really depends on if you want the corruption of this nation laid bare or not. With Trump we have that. With Biden the Dems get to sweep it back under the rug so they can go back to brunch.
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volts5000 posted:I don't see me supporting perpetual Middle East wars in that post. I also don't see me supporting shallow identity politics in that post. I just see me trying to differentiate the parties in a broader perspective. I think you're just reading what you want and assuming that poo poo. Climate apocalypse kind of has huge loving wars in the middle East baked in implicitly 
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volts5000 posted:I don't see me supporting perpetual Middle East wars in that post. I also don't see me supporting shallow identity politics in that post. I just see me trying to differentiate the parties in a broader perspective. I think you're just reading what you want and assuming that poo poo. Is there anyone who could be put forward as the Dem nominee you wouldn't vote for
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Doctor Jeep posted:you're voting for joe biden Doesn't mean I support him. I'm not donating anything to his campaign. Just means I don't the GOP in charge. Doctor Jeep posted:joe "servant of capital" biden will certainly make a dent in the corporate stranglehold I'm not saying Biden would make a dent. It's been consolidating since Carter. I'm simply approaching this as opposition to the GOP, however weak it may be.
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A big flaming stink posted:Climate apocalypse kind of has huge loving wars in the middle East baked in implicitly Agreed
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volts5000 posted:I don't see me supporting perpetual Middle East wars in that post. I also don't see me supporting shallow identity politics in that post. I just see me trying to differentiate the parties in a broader perspective. I think you're just reading what you want and assuming that poo poo. are you now the democratic party? your question was specifically about where do the parties differ. once again, this is EXACTLY what you posted A big flaming stink posted:When it comes to climate change, the parties are identical volts5000 posted:Ok. What about where they differ? the subject is the parties, you used the pronoun they to refer back to the original subject the parties
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Lmao if the Dems being in is functionality the same as George W Bush being in charge then what the gently caress have you gained?
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Doctor Jeep posted:"muh voting rights," I cry as democrats vote for another trump judge Get those fuckers out too. Primary them all. But if a Progressive candidate doesn't win, that doesn't mean I'm going to make it easier for fascists to win.
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Tab8715 posted:AOC is voting for Biden per her livestream with rapper Fat Joe. Listen, Fat.
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