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steinrokkan posted:I've never heard about Samo being the leader of the knights waiting in Blaník. It's always St. Wenceslaus, on account of being the patron saint of Bohemia. The painting you attached is also of St. Wenceslaus. Thanks. EDIT: I have to say it's been cool for me to call myself "Bohemian" probably legally. The Mighty Moltres has a new favorite as of 12:40 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Come join us in the genealogy thread! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3777244
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Also, the Danish kings were elected by vote for a good while in the middle ages (though obviously suffrage wasn't universal, so it's not really comparable to a modern democracy).
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Carthag Tuek posted:Also, the Danish kings were elected by vote for a good while in the middle ages (though obviously suffrage wasn't universal, so it's not really comparable to a modern democracy). As did the Polish. Although the details are somewhat complex, it was only abolished in 1791.
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So were the kings of Poland and, later, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. One early modern Polish Chancellor defined the state as "A republic under the presidency of the King". The noble population in Poland was high enough that at times, more than 10% of the population were eligible to vote for the king and sit in the parliament - not bad for a pre-modern state. There are also a few records of nobles complaining that records weren't being kept properly and basically anyone who put a little effort into it could claim to be a noble and there wasn't a lot that could be done about it... It did start to fall apart when the parliament went from requiring majority votes to requiring unanimous votes, and any dickhead with a grudge - or in the pay of a foreign power - could hold up legislation and budgets.
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Angry Salami posted:So were the kings of Poland and, later, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. One early modern Polish Chancellor defined the state as "A republic under the presidency of the King". The noble population in Poland was high enough that at times, more than 10% of the population were eligible to vote for the king and sit in the parliament - not bad for a pre-modern state. There are also a few records of nobles complaining that records weren't being kept properly and basically anyone who put a little effort into it could claim to be a noble and there wasn't a lot that could be done about it... plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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ChubbyChecker posted:plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose 
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Helith posted:Interesting stuff, there’s an obvious parallel to the legends of King Arthur in Samo, a ‘sleeping’ king who’ll rise again when their country is in need to defeat its enemies. This is an extremely common archetype btw. I think Fred Barbarossa is the same. I have no clue if it's a European thing, a greater PIE myth or just plain universal among all people or what but there are definitely a bunch of them
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The Hungarians also technically elected their kind though for a long time they just picked the same dynasty until they died out
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Those stories about Samo loving own and are also super badass
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Milo and POTUS posted:This is an extremely common archetype btw. I think Fred Barbarossa is the same. I have no clue if it's a European thing, a greater PIE myth or just plain universal among all people or what but there are definitely a bunch of them In Denmark we have Holger Danske (Ogier le Danois) who is said to have been a knight under Charlemagne, and appears in The Song of Roland. He is said to sleep under Kronborg Castle (for so long that his beard has grown into the table) and will rise when Denmark is threatened. A resistance group was named after him during WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogier_the_Dane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holger_Danske_(resistance_group) But yeah, the sleeping king/hero is very common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_asleep_in_mountain Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 15:24 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Milo and POTUS posted:This is an extremely common archetype btw. I think Fred Barbarossa is the same. I have no clue if it's a European thing, a greater PIE myth or just plain universal among all people or what but there are definitely a bunch of them There's a few of them outside of Europe - in Peru, there's a legend that the head of the last Inca king was taken to safety after the Spanish executed him, and that he will return once he regrows his body. There's also the Shi'a Muslim belief that the last Imam is still alive but concealed from the world, and will return at the end of days to bring justice to the world.
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The Danish king "only" had absolute power from 1660 to 1848, and I mean even then he couldn't gently caress with the nobility too much
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I'm reminded of Louis the whatever's finance minister, duh-something. He built this chateau. Nicole and I saw it when we went to Paris. It even outshone ver-sails. But the king, in the end, Louis clapped him in irons.
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hawowanlawow posted:I'm reminded of Louis the whatever's finance minister, duh-something. He built this chateau. The bishop who built Hampton Court Palace in England was quicker on the uptake. When he saw Henry VIII eyeing it up, he gave it to the king as a gift. It was quite common for kings or rulers to knock off people with houses fancier than them. All the way back to Republican Rome, when Sulla's cronies quietly added the names of citizens with snazzy houses to the proscription lists. Cicero talks about it in one of his speeches, saying it was so well-known that citizens would talk about "X being killed by his new garden portico. and Y being murdered by his bathhouse."
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Angry Salami posted:There's a few of them outside of Europe - in Peru, there's a legend that the head of the last Inca king was taken to safety after the Spanish executed him, and that he will return once he regrows his body. There's also the Shi'a Muslim belief that the last Imam is still alive but concealed from the world, and will return at the end of days to bring justice to the world. As an American, my people’s legend is that when the country is in danger, our leader will hide inside a mountain while the rest of us burn.
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CommunityEdition posted:As an American, my people’s legend is that when the country is in danger, our leader will hide inside a mountain while the rest of us burn.
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CommunityEdition posted:As an American, my people’s legend is that when the country is in danger, our leader will hide inside a mountain while the rest of us burn.
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CommunityEdition posted:As an American, my people’s legend is that when the country is in danger, our leader will hide inside a mountain while the rest of us burn. That's less of a legend and more a description of what's happening right now.
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Loxbourne posted:The bishop who built Hampton Court Palace in England was quicker on the uptake. When he saw Henry VIII eyeing it up, he gave it to the king as a gift. Eh not really as much as you think Though the Sulla thing was What was his crime? He owned a prosperous vineyard
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Angry Salami posted:There's a few of them outside of Europe - in Peru, there's a legend that the head of the last Inca king was taken to safety after the Spanish executed him, and that he will return once he regrows his body. There's also the Shi'a Muslim belief that the last Imam is still alive but concealed from the world, and will return at the end of days to bring justice to the world. You thought the head you saved was the last Inca king. But it was me, Dio!
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Carthag Tuek posted:Also, the Danish kings were elected by vote for a good while in the middle ages (though obviously suffrage wasn't universal, so it's not really comparable to a modern democracy). Indeed, it was limited to the family though, but not just eldest son, tended to be more "Powerful son" than anything else, to get elected, the prospective King had to sign a contract, essentially stating what he wanted to do and how much tax he was going to levy to do it. The only comparable modern instance of this system, is Cambodia, where the monarch is elected among members of the Royal Family, by a council, which actually have several "democratically"* elected members. *Cambodia is a de-facto single-party state.
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Harriet Beecher Stowe, author of Uncle Tom’s Cabin (the bestselling book of the 19th century, behind the Bible), suffered from a neurodegenerative disease in her late 70s . The Washington Post reported that she imagined herself to be writing Uncle Tom’s Cabin for the first time, and for hours each day, she would reproduce her book by hand, almost word for word, anticipating what kind of reception it would receive. At the same time, two rival publishing houses had employed biographers to write an account of her life. Stowe had conflated the two women in her mind, and caused much confusion by assuming that one writer she was talking to was the same one who had interviewed her shortly before. The impact of Uncle Tom’s Cabin is fascinating to read about. As a response to its popularity, an entire genre of books and plays known as “anti-Tom” or “plantation” literature, which usually featured benign owners, happy slaves, and devious Yankee abolitionists, arose in the South. Some of the most famous works in this genre include Aunt Phillis’ Cabin and Uncle Robin, in His Cabin in Virginia, and Tom Without One in Boston. An interesting aspect of Aunt Phillis’ Cabin is the character Arthur Weston, a son of the South who is studying at Yale and uses wit and humor to counter attacks on slavery from all comers in that elite New England institution. I find similarities between that story and the “radical professor/lone objector” stories you’d find circulating on the internet ten years ago. Kevin DuBrow has a new favorite as of 21:15 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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Alhazred posted:That's less of a legend and more a description of what's happening right now. Imagine the collective surprise when the statue of Abraham Lincoln strides out of the memorial and punches the Covid-19 in the face.
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CommunityEdition posted:As an American, my people’s legend is that when the country is in danger, our leader will hide inside a mountain while the rest of us burn. in the dead city of raleigh, trump lies sleeping
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Kevin DuBrow posted:The impact of Uncle Tom’s Cabin is fascinating to read about. As a response to its popularity, an entire genre of books and plays known as “anti-Tom” or “plantation” literature, which usually featured benign owners, happy slaves, and devious Yankee abolitionists, arose in the South. Some of the most famous works in this genre include Aunt Phillis’ Cabin and Uncle Robin, in His Cabin in Virginia, and Tom Without One in Boston. An interesting aspect of Aunt Phillis’ Cabin is the character Arthur Weston, a son of the South who is studying at Yale and uses wit and humor to counter attacks on slavery from all comers in that elite New England institution. I find similarities between that story and the “radical professor/lone objector” stories you’d find circulating on the internet ten years ago. If you're wondering how a character that was punished by death for refusing to reveal where fellow slaves ran away to became synonymous with being a quisling, this is it.
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Milo and POTUS posted:If you're wondering how a character that was punished by death for refusing to reveal where fellow slaves ran away to became synonymous with being a quisling, this is it. Those pro-slavery spoofs definitely contributed to that distortion of Uncle Tom. Perhaps more significant are the “Tom Shows”, theatrical adaptations of Stowe’s novel. Despite the novel’s massive readership, many more Americans would have seen these plays than have read the book. Over three times as many copies of the novel were actually sold in Great Britain than in the U.S. in the year following its publication. The Tom Shows left a more indelible influence on American culture than the book. There wasn’t one “official” play and the shows varied widely in how faithful they were to the original material, often inverting the anti-slavery and feminist themes entirely. Some versions were definitely pro-slavery anti-Tom plays. Many more reduced the characters to racist caricatures and were basically minstrel shows, even if they weren’t explicitly pro-slavery. This carried on to extremely racist silent films in the early 1900s, and there was even a Mickey Mouse cartoon where they put on a Tom Show, complete with black face and minstrelry. Not to say that Stowe’s novel was free of racial stereotyping itself. A lot of racist stock characters are featured in and popularized by the book—the tragic mulatta, “pickaninny” black children, etc. Even the original Uncle Tom has been criticized by black readers for his one-dimensional Christ-like passivity and unwillingness to fight for himself. Abolitionist literature was, after all, aimed at a white audience. Kevin DuBrow has a new favorite as of 23:09 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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Angry Salami posted:It did start to fall apart when the parliament went from requiring majority votes to requiring unanimous votes, and any dickhead with a grudge - or in the pay of a foreign power - could hold up legislation and budgets. In Sweden, some people still use the expression "polsk riksdag" (polish parliament) when describing a chaotic situation with lots of talk and little action. We also have the pejorative word "ligist" meaning a criminal, vandal or troublemaker, which literally translates to "league-ist". The word "liga" - league - in Swedish means criminal gang (with the sole exception of describing foreign football leagues). This is a legacy of the 30 Years War, when Sweden fought the Catholic League. 400 years later, and we still refer to criminals (and football players) as catholics.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Those pro-slavery spoofs definitely contributed to that distortion of Uncle Tom. Perhaps more significant are the “Tom Shows”, theatrical adaptations of Stowe’s novel. Despite the novel’s massive readership, many more Americans would have seen these plays than have read the book. Over three times as many copies of the novel were actually sold in Great Britain than in the U.S. in the year following its publication. The Tom Shows left a more indelible influence on American culture than the book. It’s just insane to me that abolitionist literature gets put on the same level as Birth of a Nation.
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Kennel posted:When will Mount Rushmore rise up and start wreaking havoc? 
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When Liquid Ocelot constructs Outer Heaven and puts Mt Snakemore on top of a giant submarine-carrier.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Raven Rock is insane. It's a good place to hide from the CORVID-19
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Mr. Sunshine posted:We also have the pejorative word "ligist" meaning a criminal, vandal or troublemaker, which literally translates to "league-ist". The word "liga" - league - in Swedish means criminal gang (with the sole exception of describing foreign football leagues). This is a legacy of the 30 Years War, when Sweden fought the Catholic League. 400 years later, and we still refer to criminals (and football players) as catholics. Sounds like a bad case of liga
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Mr. Sunshine posted:
Grim and dark reboot of the Jönssonliga mythos.
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Fish of hemp posted:Grim and dark reboot of the Jönssonliga mythos. Lysande, Fishan!
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Mr. Sunshine posted:The word "liga" - league - in Swedish means criminal gang (with the sole extension to describing foreign football leagues). This is a legacy of the 30 Years War, when Sweden fought the Catholic League. 400 years later, and we still refer to criminals (and football players, but I repeat myself) as catholics. FTFY.
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