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PeterCat posted:The funniest thing has been reading this forum for the past 3 years, listening to the constant cries of "Cheeto Benito!," "Drumpf!," and "Teenagers wearing MAGA hats are the new Hitler Youth!" and now that it's time to vote him out of office, these same people are defending him because his opponent in the upcoming isn't the reincarnation of Karl Marx. the funniest thing is you making up poo poo that didn't happen
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PeterCat posted:The funniest thing has been reading this forum for the past 3 years, listening to the constant cries of "Cheeto Benito!," "Drumpf!," and "Teenagers wearing MAGA hats are the new Hitler Youth!" and now that it's time to vote him out of office, these same people are defending him because his opponent in the upcoming isn't the reincarnation of Karl Marx. It doesn't take a loving purity test to not want to vote for a warmongering rapist who can't complete sentences. Maybe you're thinking of two different sets of people because all I've discovered this election cycle is that the "Drumpf" people were never on my side to begin with.
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Chinese Gordon posted:To be fair I think the extremely online leftists in this thread have been pretty consistent in their belief that the Centrists -of whom Biden is the avatar- are the real enemy. Biden is closer to Donald Trump in every aspect ranging from poisoning poor countries and communities to violating women than any of the other morons who were in the running for the nomination, so I can't really say this holds water.
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Whale Vomit posted:This is dichotomous thinking. The evidence tells us things are worse today than before Trump. It's a dichotomous situation. We either employ jackbooted thugs or we don't - there's no point at which ICE can exist and not be abominable. Unless you subscribe to the idea that the intolerable has a threshold under which it can be tolerated and ignored, which is pretty much the Democrats in a nutshell.
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Whale Vomit posted:This is dichotomous thinking. The evidence tells us things are worse today than before Trump. ICE arrests were up 125%y/y in 2017, and more than half had no criminal records. ICE agents' perogative has expanded to all 11.3 million undocumented immigrants rather than only the people selected for deportation. At least 800 complaints of abuse by hate in 2018 had been documented at detention centers since Trump took office. Watch groups say it's worse today than under Obama. It is astounding that people still don't get how absolutely dogshit Obama was on deportations. Arrests were up but they were very, very far from reaching Obama's peak   Obama built this machine, the fact that he slowed it down in his last 2 years in office isn't credit that he should get. He is the one who made the Secure Communities nationwide. He's the one who made it so that every police force has to check immigration status and hold those who are undocumented. And his claim that he only went after felonies is not only false, but also based on the fact that unauthorized reentry into the US is a felony. And to the extent that Obama kept separated children detained for shorter periods, it's because he LOST the court case where he wanted to keep them longer, and as a result started expedited processing. Being deported more quickly to dangerous places isn't necessarily better than long detention in the US.
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PeterCat posted:The funniest thing has been reading this forum for the past 3 years, listening to the constant cries of "Cheeto Benito!," "Drumpf!," and "Teenagers wearing MAGA hats are the new Hitler Youth!" and now that it's time to vote him out of office, these same people are defending him because his opponent in the upcoming isn't the reincarnation of Karl Marx.
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voting for the guy who wanted to inject black kids with a drug to stop them from feeling joy to remove the guy who tells people to inject lysol
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Apr 24, 2020 15:59
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Doctor Jeep posted:voting for the guy who wanted to inject black kids with a drug to stop them from feeling joy to remove the guy who tells people to inject lysol TBF Lysol would also remove joy. So, in the end, what's the difference?
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Wow. Lots of people who found out they weren't personally affected by trump's policies the past four years eager to advocate against voting for Biden ITT
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Doctor Jeep posted:voting for the guy who wanted to inject black kids with a drug to stop them from feeling joy to remove the guy who tells people to inject lysol But what if Biden picks Cuomo as VP??? https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1253690375539056640?s=20 e: p.s. as a professional chemist I am qualified to inform you that chlorox is not loving table salt (sodium chloride) please do not bathe in it though I am not a doctor this is not medical advice maybe bathing in chlorox owns since the fumes are probably great for a respiratory infection e2: I'm not even sure which cuomo is which so there's a 50% chance I got the right one but either way it's funny as hell Marxalot fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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V. Illych L. posted:trump is worse than biden and will push a more reactionary domestic agenda. not voting for biden is mostly about sending a message to the democratic party The problem is that the Democratic party is never going to get the message. They really don't care that people are suffering. The only reason the won in 2018 was because Trump is just that terrible. They have not changed their game plan and they are running the same bullshit for 2020. The only thing they can hope for is "orange man bad" enough.
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Marxalot posted:CBA to look up whether or not this timeline of events is even true but "so we were actually kidding when we were running against gay marriage during the campaign for president lol" right before the courts legalized it by fiat isn't exactly a stellar record on lgbt issues. Correct, I was giving him a back-handed complement.
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ManBoyChef posted:The problem is that the Democratic party is never going to get the message. They really don't care that people are suffering. The only reason the won in 2018 was because Trump is just that terrible. They have not changed their game plan and they are running the same bullshit for 2020. The only thing they can hope for is "orange man bad" enough. You forget that in 2016, people had never dealt with a Trump presidency before, and had no idea how it would affect their lives.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:11
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Whale Vomit posted:Republicans will install more conservative judges. They will use that judicial control to ban abortions in states and coerce woman from taking autonomy of their bodies. They will continue to allow the country's wealthiest to enrich themselves and concentrate more wealth in their hands from tax breaks and loopholes, while the most vulnerable bear the greatest burden. Big business will continue to operate on corporate welfare, while the fed allows them to grow larger and more controlling of markets. The horse is out of the barn on the judiciary. Sam Seder says it best when he says the democrats haven't taken the judiciary seriously and now these are the consequences. Our only hope is the least inspiring candidate in my generation gets people out to vote in senate races.
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Pander posted:Wow. Lots of people who found out they weren't personally affected by trump's policies the past four years eager to advocate against voting for Biden ITT Lol is this really what you think? Maybe you were lucky enough to not be personally affected until 4 years ago, but most of us have been for the last 12 years. I graduated 2 months before the great recession hit and there's nothing I hate more than shithead liberals pining for the glory days of 09. Like this is what the people claiming that Biden *could* be good don't seem to get. I already lived 8 years under Biden and it sucked. You really told on yourself with this one.
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readingatwork posted:Correct, I was giving him a back-handed complement. Sorry. It's really, really, hard to tell with some of the posters in this thread  is pepsi ok posted:Lol is this really what you think? Maybe you were lucky enough to not be personally affected until 4 years ago, but most of us have been for the last 12 years. I graduated 2 months before the great recession hit and there's nothing I hate more than shithead liberals pining for the glory days of 09. Like this is what the people claiming that Biden *could* be good don't seem to get. I already lived 8 years under Biden and it sucked. You really told on yourself with this one. Extremely this holy poo poo.
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Pander posted:Wow. Lots of people who found out they weren't personally affected by trump's policies the past four years eager to advocate against voting for Biden ITT I'm glad only the last four years have been poo poo for you, because for some of us it's been a poo poo show for over a decade now. A lot of us are starting to think maybe the greater problem won't be solved by ping ponging between lesser ghouls anymore.
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is pepsi ok posted:Lol is this really what you think? Maybe you were lucky enough to not be personally affected until 4 years ago, but most of us have been for the last 12 years. I graduated 2 months before the great recession hit and there's nothing I hate more than shithead liberals pining for the glory days of 09. Like this is what the people claiming that Biden *could* be good don't seem to get. I already lived 8 years under Biden and it sucked. You really told on yourself with this one. Shere posted:I'm glad only the last four years have been poo poo for you, because for some of us it's been a poo poo show for over a decade now. A lot of us are starting to think maybe the greater problem won't be solved by ping ponging between lesser ghouls anymore. Looking at some dogs hollaring about how hit they were right now. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pander posted:Wow. Lots of people who found out they weren't personally affected by trump's policies the past four years eager to advocate against voting for Biden ITT I don't know about you but I live in poverty. I have to ration one of my psych meds so I live with crazy anxiety. Every single one of us are suffering under the neoliberal policies both parties have put forward the last 50 years. It isn't just Trump it is every conservative democrat too. A lot of us are just sick of the bullshit so we are choosing not to vote until someone worthwhile to vote for is the nominee. I can understand your message of harm reduction but voting for the lesser of two evils is tacit approval of the system they have created. I just can't do that anymore. My life is bad enough that I am just sick of getting my hopes up.
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Pander posted:Wow. Lots of people who found out they weren't personally affected by trump's policies the past four years eager to advocate against voting for Biden ITT Boy, will you be surprised about what immigrants rights groups have to say about democrats... This is the funny stuff. We can never stick to policy. You show data on how terrible democrats were on immigration and there's no reply regarding the data, it's just this throwing your hands up and going "how dare you compare the democrat to a fascist!" joepinetree fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Pander posted:Looking at some dogs hollaring about how hit they were right now.  *You've got nothing better to respond with because you know we're right. joepinetree posted:Boy, will you surprised about what immigrants rights groups have to say about democrats... 
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Apr 24, 2020 16:36
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:What does this even mean? Do you have an argument to make, or just here to tut tut? 'A hit dog hollers' is a phrase with a long history of abrasive use; it's used to suggest that anyone who responds to an argument or an undirected insult must have identified that they were a target of that statement. It's a way of claiming moral victory by eliciting any response. In my mind it's associated with derogatory slurs (and then suggesting that these bigoted statements must be true because the intended target responded), but maybe this is not everyone's experience with that turn of phrase, given that googling turns up its somewhat humorous use against DeSantis in a political debate.
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Pander posted:Wow. Lots of people who found out they weren't personally affected by trump's policies the past four years eager to advocate against voting for Biden ITT The argument that anyone who is opposed to Biden is privileged and necessarily unaffected by Trump’s policies is, despite whatever point you think you’re making here, in fact deeply insulting to marginalized folks who can act and think with autonomy and recognize that both candidates have caused them harm I don’t think anyone here even needs to advocate against voting for Biden, because given the lovely choice they’ve been presented, most of the people you are using as a rhetorical weapon to scold goons with simply will not vote
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Lol that the best argument for Biden is Republican judges lol dude voted to confirm Anthony Scalia shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I think some leftists make the mistake of thinking that most democrat voters are on their side. They aren't. Most democrats do not want to abolish ICE. Most democrats actually approved of Obama's actions in Libya. Most democrats think the ACA was good legislation(like 94%). Most democrats would prefer a public option(though it's close) to M4A. Obama has like an 86% approval rating among democrats, so that includes many self-proclaimed progressives in the party. So with that said, I guess I'd say it doesn't really make sense for leftists to vote for Biden. They really don't have a party at all. They tried to get some control in the DNC and failed. Not voting is really the only thing that makes sense for them. The democrats thought their only alternative was to vote for the democratic candidate anyways, and the only way to prove that wrong is to not vote. I still want Trump to lose, but yeah it really doesn't make sense for leftists to vote for Biden.
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joepinetree posted:Boy, will you be surprised about what immigrants rights groups have to say about democrats... When did the Democrats stick kids in cages or stopped immigration?
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Willo567 posted:When did the Democrats stick kids in cages or stopped immigration? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh read the thread
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Willo567 posted:When did the Democrats stick kids in cages or stopped immigration? When Obama was in office.
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I haphazardly caught up to the last 6 pages or so, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHANAHAHA at the guy who brought up Puerto Rico. Part of why PR was so hosed was because of the awful poo poo the Obama administration pushed on it. Debt shenanigans, which tied into stuff w the power grid and gave Trump ammo for poo poo-talk. So lol on the idea that they would have done better under Clinton’s neoliberal flunkies.
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Willo567 posted:When did the Democrats stick kids in cages or stopped immigration? https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/ The difference between Obama and Trump is that it was not policy to forcibly separate families.
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Doctor Jeep posted:voting for the guy who wanted to inject black kids with a drug to stop them from feeling joy to remove the guy who tells people to inject lysol What?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Lol that the best argument for Biden is Republican judges lol dude voted to confirm Anthony Scalia shut the gently caress up don't forget torpedoing anita hill to get clarence thomas confirmed Willo567 posted:When did the Democrats stick kids in cages or stopped immigration? lmao you know history goes back further than november 2016 the cages were built by obama, "deporter in chief" trump is doing family separation, while obama was kindhearted enough to keep them together (in cages)
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I'd argue that by telling Republican voters to drink bleach Trump is by far the most progressive president America has had.
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Ague Proof posted:What? He asked for a "vaccine" for drug use that would stop drugs from feeling good, and wanted to administer it to communities during the crack epidemic. Pretty much just nonsense. From that people extrapolated that the only way to do that would be to kill people's dopamine receptors and that would affect a lot more than just drug use.
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Apogee15 posted:He asked for a "vaccine" for drug use that would stop drugs from feeling good, and then administer it to communities during the crack epidemic. america's history and ongoing fascination with forced sterilization, eugenics, and health consent violations is really loving terrifying if you look into it
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Scooter_McCabe posted:https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/ Oh yes Obama just gently deported millions more than anyone else. Wokely. Politely. gently caress off forever with this disingenuous poo poo holy hell joepinetree posted:Boy, will you be surprised about what immigrants rights groups have to say about democrats... It's because they've turned "Being a Democrat" into a significant portion of their identity so when you attack a Dem for being an evil piece of poo poo, you're clearly attacking them. Personally. And they're good people! So clearly you must be insane to think that someone in the Party of Good People Just Like Them would be an evil piece of poo poo. e: Ague Proof posted:What? Biden had a harebrained scheme back in the 80s or 90s where he had the genius idea to inject ~inner city youths~ with a drug that would make recreational drugs not work on them anymore. Bam, drug use solved! The only problem is that doing this would require blowing out basically all the receptors in your brain that make you feel good about basically anything, lmao. But no, the orange man who said yesterday that doctors should look into injecting disinfectants into patients to stop the corona is the only person who can be a maliciously stupid shithead. Biden 2020! Marxalot fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Ague Proof posted:What? To be fair, much as I shudder to offer that fairness here, that one probably was just Biden being brick-poo poo stupid rather than actively malicious. He was quoted at one point as saying something to the effect of hoping to enact some sort of 'vaccine' to prevent kids from getting high. Since a lot of pleasurable recreational drugs act directly on the reward pathways in the brain, the only way this could functionally work is to shut off the ability for the person to feel any pleasure at all. While I doubt that Biden, eulogizer of Strom Thurmond and life-long opponent of nearly all social welfare programs, would care about this outcome, I just doubt that the consequences literally ever occurred to him. Still trying to dig up the exact quote, it's kind of difficult because Biden was one of the central architects of the entire IDEA of a War on Drugs, and a lead voice talking about the dangers of crack and 'urban' drug users, for DECADES, so you have to sift through a LOT of crazy, awful poo poo to find any one specific terrible statement.
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Doctor Jeep posted:don't forget torpedoing anita hill to get clarence thomas confirmed My favorite part is when someone inevitably jumps into the discussion to defend Obama, saying that there was a huge influx of unaccompanied children and Obama made the only choice he could. As if fate tied his hands and he HAD to put a bunch of children into cages. Like what was he supposed to do, let these children go into the custody of their extended family, the aunts and uncles and grandparents they were trying to reach here in America? Ridiculous, those children were criminals! Cages were the only moral option.
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Marxalot posted:Oh yes Obama just gently deported millions more than anyone else. Wokely. Politely. gently caress off forever with this disingenuous poo poo holy hell You're picking a fight where there isn't one, you need to stop doing that TIA.
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