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Is there a real good chance the 13" is getting a refresh soon for macbook pro? I need to buy one but don't want to buy one thats getting replaced like in a few weeks.
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Apr 24, 2020 15:39
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Empress Brosephine posted:Is there a real good chance the 13" is getting a refresh soon for macbook pro? I need to buy one but don't want to buy one thats getting replaced like in a few weeks. There are rumors pointing to a refresh in next few months. But with supply chains being impacted who knows. Edit: And the last refresh for the mbp16 made more memory and greater storage space standard, buying the current mbp13 likely not a good value proposition if not immediately needed. tragic_ethos fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 16:00
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Empress Brosephine posted:Is there a real good chance the 13" is getting a refresh soon for macbook pro? I need to buy one but don't want to buy one thats getting replaced like in a few weeks. unless you like, are going to have a lit cigarette put out on your eyeball if you don't buy a computer, I'd just wait. if the 16 inch is any indication, it's going to be SO much better.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:03
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Empress Brosephine posted:Is there a real good chance the 13" is getting a refresh soon for macbook pro? I need to buy one but don't want to buy one thats getting replaced like in a few weeks. Is there a pressing reason that the i5+ Macbook Air doesn't meet your needs? It seems like a much better buy right now.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:12
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https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/06/new-13-inch-macbook-pro-coming-next-month/ Definitely wait until after June, especially if Apple finally shoves Ice Lake chips into the 13" rMBP. They already did in the somewhat-lauded 2020 rMBA, and it makes that model much more powerful (to a point) than its predecessors. We haven't had a current generation Intel chip AND a good keyboard on a rMBP in.. well, never. Shaocaholica posted:Anyone remember Apple Display Connector passing mains AC and low voltage DVI signal. Those were rad when they sparked on insertion. I can remember that Apple Studio Displays with ADC connectors also needed the stupidly huge power bricks, similar to the power bricks for first generation Mac Minis. Then I also remember DVIators which let you hook up ADC monitors to DVI GPU cards; you still needed that hulking power supply though. It took a bunch of years, but Apple wound up dropping Mini power bricks altogether by internalizing the power supply.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:15
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Also someone change thread title to 'Finally, good loving keyboards'
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Apr 24, 2020 16:24
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It was a long 4 years
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Apr 24, 2020 16:26
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Thanks all for the help. I do a lot of *basic* video work & web work which I heard the macBook air isn't very good at? Could be a wives tail. I don't have a preference either way and its not like im doing any gaming or anything. Also I bought the top of the line macbook in 2017 when they introduced the nutterfly keys so I will gladly wait to not have to deal with that nightmare again.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:27
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4K video is not great on it, and Java devs maybe not great fans due to the 8GB ram limit before and how magnificent Java IDEs are for their resource usage. You now have 16GB, but still the Intel GPU obviously. Webdev could mean many things including running Photoshop, Illustrator, and other large clunky apps. Clunky as they’re still predominantly single threaded. My 2013 Air has only two cores and so can become unhappy. I can definitely say 3D webdev is unpleasant on an Air, but that’s because of screen size and things like Maya can be fruity.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:13
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My Air arrived so I've set it up and letting it do it's indexing while I'm at work. I also foolishly opened the Music app and signed into Match so I'm sure it'll burn my house down at some point over the next 8 hours.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:18
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How many generations of MacBooks are destined for an early grave because of butterfly?
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Apr 24, 2020 17:24
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Shaocaholica posted:How many generations of MacBooks are destined for an early grave because of butterfly? If you go by models with the poo poo keyboard: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro 13-inch 2016 Retina MacBook Pro 15-inch 2017 Retina MacBook Pro 13-inch 2017 Retina MacBook Pro 15-inch 2018 Retina MacBook Pro 13-inch 2018 Retina MacBook Pro 15-inch 2019 Retina MacBook Pro 13-inch 2019 Retina MacBook Pro 15-inch 2015 Retina MacBook 12-inch 2016 Retina MacBook 12-inch 2017 Retina MacBook 12-inch 2018 Retina MacBook Air 13-inch 2019 Retina MacBook Air 13-inch That's a shitload of models that Apple will have to offer free replacements for when the keyboard goes ka-blooey.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:49
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Incidentally, has there been any complaining about Magic Keyboards on the newest models? The 16" has been in the wild for a few months now. I certainly haven't had any trouble with my Air after a week; it's a complete joy to type on.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:53
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Binary Badger posted:If you go by models with the poo poo keyboard: The secondary market will not be kind to these.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:03
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Binary Badger posted:That's a shitload of models that Apple will have to offer free replacements for when the keyboard goes ka-blooey. Only for 4 years. So less and less 2016's can get it replaced every day. Well, at least after November or whenever it was they were released.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:14
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MrMoo posted:4K video is not great on it, and Java devs maybe not great fans due to the 8GB ram limit before and how magnificent Java IDEs are for their resource usage. You now have 16GB, but still the Intel GPU obviously. Thanks for this. I do a lot of high res photo work in Photoshop since clients send raw files to be compressed. Web dev is simple stuff like react, Javascript, WordPress etc nothingntoo fancy. Not being able to play 4k decently is concerning though for a $1k laptop. Guess I'll wait then. Thanks for the help.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:16
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Wait is the issue 4K video playback or 4K video editing? The latter seems like a place where I'd expect a MacBook Air to be clunky, but the former falls right into their content consumer/light user wheelhouse.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:31
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most macs from ~2013 on should play 4k okay? editing 4k may be different tho i never do that
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Apr 24, 2020 18:38
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If you switch your 4K intermediate to prores or dnxhd and work with proxies it should be fine on even older machines but I know that’s not a thing for most people who just want to edit something simple.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:54
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Empress Brosephine posted:Thanks for this. I do a lot of high res photo work in Photoshop since clients send raw files to be compressed. Web dev is simple stuff like react, Javascript, WordPress etc nothingntoo fancy. It's 4K editing that people are saying it doesn't handle well, they'll play 4K video fine. For that matter, the 13" pros don't do 4K video editing well either. The current Macbook Air is faster than every 2015 Pro, or for that matter a 2017 13" Macbook Pro with the dual core i5.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:58
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kefkafloyd posted:There's still optical thunderbolt. You don't want optical, it's expensive. The fact they made it work on copper (for most things) is a good thing. Good in that it's better than nothing, bad in that it's a regrettable step back from what Light Peak was supposed to be. Intel had this long-running R&D project trying to make silicon photonics (laser diodes integrated into a standard logic process) a thing. This would allow much cheaper optical transceivers. Light Peak was supposed to turn that R&D into a real product (one that, in Intel's view, would've been a precursor to the main attraction: chips that used only optical fiber to communicate with each other, even on a motherboard or whatever). The other part of Light Peak was a collaboration with a fiber manufacturer (Dow Corning I think) on cheaper fiber for the consumer market. Also was going to be highly flexible, once again because consumer market. (Can't count on random people buying poo poo in a best buy to handle fiber cable with the care required to never bend past its minimum bend radius.) The silicon photonics thing didn't work out, so Intel had to go with a copper physical layer for consumer grade Thunderbolt, and traditional off the shelf $$$ optical transceivers for those willing and able to pay through the nose to get longer cable runs.
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Apr 24, 2020 19:23
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Shaocaholica posted:How many generations of MacBooks are destined for an early grave because of butterfly? Bob Morales posted:Only for 4 years. So less and less 2016's can get it replaced every day. I bet I can take a butterfly MacBook to the Apple store and get the keyboard replaced for the foreseeable future without raising much of a fuss. You don't really hear that many issues with the 2019+ butterfly keyboards, although I'm sure somebody can find somebody complaining on the internets about them. For something that has been known to be such an issue, I'm shocked I haven't had any issues with my 2018 MacBook Pro, especially since my house is filled with inescapable cat hair. Corb3t fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 20:02
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Gay Retard posted:For something that has been known to be such an issue, I'm shocked I haven't had any issues with my 2018 MacBook Pro, especially since my house is filled with inescapable cat hair. Way to jinx yourself. 
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Apr 24, 2020 20:21
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Gay Retard posted:I bet I can take a butterfly MacBook to the Apple store and get the keyboard replaced for the foreseeable future without raising much of a fuss. You don't really hear that many issues with the 2019+ butterfly keyboards, although I'm sure somebody can find somebody complaining on the internets about them. My wife has a 2017 13" MBP that also hasn't had any issues. Granted, it also has barely seen any use. I already have way more usage on my 2019 16" MBP than her 2017 13" MBP has seen. It's really not such a big deal unless it's your only machine, or if it breaks right now when all the retail stores are closed. They extended the warranty to 4 years for all the models with the butterfly keyboards right? By 4 years old it's going to be a slow piece of poo poo anyway.
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Apr 24, 2020 21:01
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I thought it was determined that it wasn't a debris issue anyway? Like it was literally materials breaking in the keys. Some guy did a test where he immersed the keyboard in fine grained sand/dust and saw no ill effects
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Apr 24, 2020 21:29
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Brain Issues posted:By 4 years old it's going to be a slow piece of poo poo anyway. That's ridiculous when talking about laptops in 2020
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Apr 24, 2020 21:31
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Yeah, my Mac Mini is almost 8 years old, and the only reason I'm upgrading is because it doesn't have hdmi 2/2.1 for 4k60 output, and that was a 3rd gen mobile dual core.
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Apr 24, 2020 21:33
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Binary Badger posted:If you go by models with the poo poo keyboard: its only a 4 year extension on the warranty so the 16's are hosed.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:22
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Mister Facetious posted:Yeah, my Mac Mini is almost 8 years old, and the only reason I'm upgrading is because it doesn't have hdmi 2/2.1 for 4k60 output, and that was a 3rd gen mobile dual core. Posting this on a 2009 Mac Pro
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Apr 24, 2020 23:31
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I feel like this is a deeply stupid question but I can't find a solid answer, I want to drive 2 1080P displays with my 2018 MacBook Air, as I understand it there is no problem driving the internal display and 2 1080P monitors. My question is, I already have a USB C dock with an HDMI port, can I just plug a UBC to Displayport cable in the second port and drive all the displays?
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Apr 24, 2020 23:37
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Posting from a 2008 Dell!
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Apr 25, 2020 00:09
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Three Olives posted:I feel like this is a deeply stupid question but I can't find a solid answer, I want to drive 2 1080P displays with my 2018 MacBook Air, as I understand it there is no problem driving the internal display and 2 1080P monitors. You definitely have enough bandwidth going to the dock to drive two 1080p screens, but the dock might not necessarily support driving two screens at once regardless of resolution. It probably does, though. What kind of dock is it?
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Apr 25, 2020 00:33
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Eletriarnation posted:You definitely have enough bandwidth going to the dock to drive two 1080p screens, but the dock might not necessarily support driving two screens at once regardless of resolution. It probably does, though. What kind of dock is it? It's a dinky cheap dock with HDMI out, I don't to drive two displays with the dock, I want to drive one HDMI display and use straight USB C to DisplayPort in the second port to drive the second external display. I know I'm solid using a Mac compatible dock with two HDMI/DisplayPorts, what I want to do is use one cable and one dock.
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Apr 25, 2020 01:20
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Yes the second port will drive the other display. Until you need to charge!
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Apr 25, 2020 01:30
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Pivo posted:Yes the second port will drive the other display. Until you need to charge! Cheapo dock does USB C passthrough just fine.
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Apr 25, 2020 01:46
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:That's ridiculous when talking about laptops in 2020 Mac laptops haven't exactly been pinnacles of performance, even the 16" has already handily beaten by the new Ryzen laptops and it just came out. Mister Facetious posted:Yeah, my Mac Mini is almost 8 years old, and the only reason I'm upgrading is because it doesn't have hdmi 2/2.1 for 4k60 output, and that was a 3rd gen mobile dual core. Your Mac Mini doesn't have an integrated keyboard, and it doesn't have a laptop grade processor, it has a full on desktop CPU. Even when your Mac Mini was new, what kind of intensive workloads could it handle? It doesn't have a GPU. I have a 2019 16" MBP and a 2018 Mac Mini i5, I am well aware of what they are capable of. redeyes posted:its only a 4 year extension on the warranty so the 16's are hosed. The 16" models don't have the butterfly keyboard. Shaocaholica posted:Posting from a 2008 Dell! Posting to a forum doesn't take much power.. You could do it from anything. -------- Just to be clear, and I feel like I shouldn't need to say this, but the Cult of Mac appears to be strong here. I like apples products. I have an 11 Pro Max, an iPad 9.7 Pro, an iPad Mini 5, a 16" MBP, and a 2018 Mac Mini. By 4 years old, any normal current laptop is going to be considerably slower than cheap consumer entry level laptops. That's the way it has been for ages, and while hardware progress has slowed down somewhat, that's the way it is continuing to be. Software is continuing to be increasingly resource intensive and our workflows are continuing to increase with regards to processing power needs. Brain Issues fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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Apr 25, 2020 02:12
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Dude we only drink the kool aid sarcastically. I’m posting from a loving old rear end dell when I could be using my iMac 27 but that would be boring.
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Apr 25, 2020 02:36
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Brain Issues posted:The 16" models don't have the butterfly keyboard. He was talking about the 2016 MacBook Pros-not the 16" MacBook Pro
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Apr 25, 2020 03:29
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Fedule posted:Incidentally, has there been any complaining about Magic Keyboards on the newest models? The 16" has been in the wild for a few months now. I certainly haven't had any trouble with my Air after a week; it's a complete joy to type on. no they kick rear end. what a dumb loving decision by ive and cook
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Hello thread. I don't own a Mac but my wife does (MBA 13", 2013) and could use tech support because I'm useless if I'm not in Windows. Hope you can help? Short version: the laptop started heating up, cooling fans (I thought it didn't have any for some reason?) kicked on, and the screen froze. She shuts it down by holding down the power button and on next startup it produces:  which I learned is a Bad Thing. Followed tutorials to see what's going on and found the following: - I can run disk utility and Verify the disk (it comes back OK) but the Repair button is greyed out. - The OS drive is showing up at about 1GB in size, which can't be true. Is that the OS installation size? I don't know if it matters because: - There is no boot drive to choose from when in the recovery environment If this were a Windows computer, I'd say the drive is well and truly hosed. It sounds like it needs to be replaced with a new one (because I wouldn't trust the current drive to be resurrected in good working order anyway), and the old drive scavenged for data by hooking it up to a working system as an external drive. Is that a thing you can do with Macs? Buying a new system is also on the table, which might be the best option altogether for Mrs. Trabant. She's been hitting drive storage limitations for a long while, and I think can't even install new OS updates because how old the system is. She doesn't have a system backup of any kind, but has been storing work files on an external drive so it's not a huge deal if she needs to reinstall the OS. And getting technicians to look at it during The End Times is out of the question. What would you do in this case?
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