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Stairmaster posted:How is china doing on water security these days? Apparently tapping massive amounts of water from the Mekong and storing it in reservoirs in Tibet and Yunnan. It's very depressing to me, the Mekong has an exceptionally productive and unique ecosystem, with giant stingrays and catfish and other weird poo poo that sustains millions of people in SEA.
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Apr 24, 2020 07:35
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How much force projection does the PRC have anyway? Like, if the US government just vanished in a puff of smoke, how far could China then push?
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Apr 24, 2020 10:33
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Barry Convex posted:don’t expect anything like the protests that greeted the wars in Vietnam, Iraq etc. those very effective protests that managed to stop both of those wars in their infancy
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Apr 24, 2020 11:49
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BrokenGameboy posted:How much force projection does the PRC have anyway? Like, if the US government just vanished in a puff of smoke, how far could China then push? Pretty little at this very moment, but they've got ~4 full aircraft carriers coming online/in trials/being built (and some other amphibious assault carriers I guess when they're not catching on fire) and are literally building a man-made island and airstrips in the South China Sea to gently caress with people, so it's kind of a matter of time. It's all really up in the air as to just how much of a paper tiger the Chinese army is though. For example they supposedly still can't manufacture their own engines for their top class fighters and need the Russians to do it for them, they have a large army but there's indications their training is garbage and corruption wastes tons of funds that theoretically should go into improving their readiness, etc. It's entirely possible that corruption and poor leadership and training runs deep enough that if they were to get into a meaningful conflict they'd find themselves getting severely hammered, but nobody wants to take that risk.
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Apr 24, 2020 15:46
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Why do you think that China would just immediately start a war if the US disappeared? There are much cheaper ways of getting what you want out of foreign countries.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:20
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Why do you think that China would just immediately start a war if the US disappeared? projection
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Apr 24, 2020 17:29
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China did start a war with Vietnam when the US left.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:38
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Horatius Bonar posted:China did start a war with Vietnam when the US left. They invaded Communist Vietnam, and they did it because they invaded Cambodia.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:40
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:They invaded Communist Vietnam, and they did it because they invaded Cambodia. Correct. To get what they wanted.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:42
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So? It wasn't because the US left
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Apr 24, 2020 17:55
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Here comes the military chat.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:59
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No you see military muscle is the only tool of empire, every country is secretly itching to send its youth into the meatgrinder of forever war
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Apr 24, 2020 18:19
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stephenthinkpad posted:Here comes the military chat. it would be great if we could just explain to everyone that their penis is adequate and skip it, but this is CSPAM so
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Apr 24, 2020 18:21
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LimburgLimbo posted:they have a large army but there's indications their training is garbage and corruption wastes tons of funds that theoretically should go into improving their readiness, etc. sir iv got unfortunate news about the united states military
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Apr 24, 2020 18:26
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Lady Militant posted:sir iv got unfortunate news about the united states military we kicked grenada’s rear end tho
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Apr 24, 2020 18:48
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the U.S. has been focused so much on fighting guerrillas for the past 20+ years that the "conventional" side of the house has degraded pretty badly, at least according to what these generals say in their congressional testimonies. now, you can (and should) interpret that as them begging for more money, but they'll also say things that are pretty revealing, like how there are no artillery officers in the army from the rank of major on down who have ever seen an entire artillery battalion fire their guns all at once. they train to fire one or two shells and call it a day because that is as much artillery as they'd use on any given day in afghanistan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDNIVHmQork&t=18s
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Apr 24, 2020 19:03
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that said i think there is a lot of skepticism about china's military since it's perceived as a "parade army." a lot of show but the training exercises are not very good or not realistic. maybe that's changing though
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Apr 24, 2020 19:07
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You will never know until fan hit the fans. People still don't believe China put down the virus in Wuhan so whats the point of arguing before the fact.
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Apr 24, 2020 19:22
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I have absolute faith that our proud PLA troops, who not only fight bravely on front lines unlike cowardly US automatic drone army, will not only win conventionally but also the heart and minds of the civilian population whose leaders mislead into any war with PRC
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Apr 24, 2020 19:55
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name me one US general who matches the genius of Wang Jian, zhuge liang, Yue Fei, zhu de or peng dehui
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Apr 24, 2020 20:01
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Typo posted:name me one US general who matches the genius of Wang Jian, zhuge liang, Yue Fei, zhu de or peng dehui the one who sells car insurance
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Apr 24, 2020 20:24
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the U.S. has been focused so much on fighting guerrillas for the past 20+ years that the "conventional" side of the house has degraded pretty badly The US army is also not actually successful in fighting gorillas.
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Apr 24, 2020 20:38
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Lambert posted:The US army is also not actually successful in fighting gorillas. usa army not good at fighting protracted people's war, lack patience, expect results too fast
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Apr 24, 2020 20:51
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Lambert posted:The US army is also not actually successful in fighting gorillas. so you say but harambe was taken out expertly
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Apr 24, 2020 20:56
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Shear Modulus posted:so you say but harambe was taken out expertly gorillaS they can fight one pretty well
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Apr 24, 2020 20:57
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Stairmaster posted:How is china doing on water security these days? why do you think everybody yells about tibet
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Apr 24, 2020 21:24
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neoliberal rot is actually quietly dismantling the usa's own military capabilities. like we're functionally down to 11 carriers from 12 because of a bunch of stupid attempts to "modernize" at the behest of parasitic private contractors
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Apr 24, 2020 21:29
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One well trained, in both war and politics, PLA troop can probably take on 2 or even 3 often obese USA soldiers in close combat
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Apr 24, 2020 22:12
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Typo posted:One well trained, in both war and politics, PLA troop can probably take on 2 or even 3 often obese USA soldiers in close combat that's nothing compared to houthis, who are worth at least a half dozen americans apiece
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Apr 24, 2020 22:19
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Does the PLA have any dumb boondoggles like the F-35??
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Apr 24, 2020 22:52
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cool dance moves posted:Does the PLA have any dumb boondoggles like the F-35?? it’s landing forces
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Apr 24, 2020 23:02
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freeasinbeer posted:it’s landing forces Eh, I don't think the PRC is blowing trillions on them even I don't think a Normandy style landing on Taiwan is going to happen in the future. As far as China's military, the PLA's ground force is arguably the step-child at this point. That said, PLA troops have been stopped in Syria and taking part in Russian-led exercises, and it seems their latest equipment is fairly decent. The PLAN in contrast though has been seen an massive expansion, and it has scuttled most of its pre-1990s force. The fact that China has 2 carriers already commissioned and has another 2 under construction is saying something. In the near future, Chinese will have the technology, shipyards, and capital for parallel production. Their airforce has come a long, but they are still hamstrung by needing Russian-designed engines and the delay of the T-50's engine was a setback. That said, they would be going against F-35s...so I don't know if they are sweating it. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 23:55 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 23:43
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Please hold thoughts of brave PLA doctors in your head! https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1253811177978822658
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Apr 24, 2020 23:48
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making aircraft carriers is actually the best evidence that they are loving up. itd be like commissioning a bunch of new battleships in 1950
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Apr 24, 2020 23:59
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china is beating the us on the cyber
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Apr 25, 2020 00:32
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THS posted:making aircraft carriers is actually the best evidence that they are loving up. itd be like commissioning a bunch of new battleships in 1950 Aircraft carriers still have utility as vehicles for force protection especially if you away from coastlines even considering the issue of anti-ship missiles. The Chinese primarily need them to push back the USN from the Western Pacific. The Chinese/Russians have also invested in anti-ship missiles obviously.
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Apr 25, 2020 02:44
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cool dance moves posted:No you see military muscle is the only tool of empire, every country is secretly itching to send its youth into the meatgrinder of forever war I mean this has been the case for basically all of human existence so, yes, and where it's not true at the moment a bit of propaganda to spur patriotic fervor can make it true. Lady Militant posted:sir iv got unfortunate news about the united states military US military also has tons of issues for sure but it's also been fighting actively forever and trains quite a bit compared to many forces Downside is that if there's ever a need to buildup forces lol good luck at making a bunch of obese American fucks from the general populace into soldiers
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Apr 25, 2020 03:03
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LimburgLimbo posted:US military also has tons of issues for sure but it's also been fighting actively forever and trains quite a bit compared to many forces Remember that most of those forces were active 2003-2011, and many have since retired and/or had far worse fates.
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Apr 25, 2020 03:09
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cool dance moves posted:Does the PLA have any dumb boondoggles like the F-35?? it has the world's worst officer corps because its primarily made up of the failson relatives of party officials google mao's grandson
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Apr 25, 2020 03:09
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Bro Dad posted:it has the world's worst officer corps because its primarily made up of the failson relatives of party officials It would be vastly entertaining if some hypothetical Clancy war broke out and the decapitating first strike from US drones in fact greatly improved overall efficiency by killing worthless officers and allowing their replacement.
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