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even if my favored strat is "build ten archers and conquer the stone age world" that sounds way more interesting. it would take a lot of balance but i can see how that rule would be challenging and fun to play under
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:edit: shall I make a thread I guess go for it. That way we can get posts complaining about the Epic store out of the way just in time for new information.
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I'm not a fan of the Heavy Foot of Government (as it was called in MoO3). Especially if they are going to keep 1upt. Just get rid of 1upt so that way we don't need to spend dumb resources shuffling the dumb units around when that is by far the least interesting part of the game. I want my army to get to a place on the map I don't care how it gets there and I don't want to have to re-order it to do so every turn. Basically if you feel the need to implement some kind of mechanic to counter-balance something fundamental like army movement, your army system is broken and sucks.
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Apr 15, 2020 21:22
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I feel like they could fix most of the problem by having units make a best effort to get to their destination instead of immediately cancelling movement when something is in the way.
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Apr 15, 2020 21:55
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The Human Crouton posted:Alright, more competition for Civilization. I've been beta testing this game for a couple months now, it's pretty fun in its current state. Still quite rough and unfinished in many respects but that's to be expected. Ask me anything about it, or I guess do so if/when the thread for it gets made.
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How do the "action resource" points work? How does army movement/creation work?
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Apr 16, 2020 06:36
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There was one factor waaaay back in Alpha Centauri that I'm pretty sure never showed up again in any Civilization game. (Yes Alpha Centauri is Civilization with the serial numbers filed, off, specifically #2, but with terrain manipulation and a hell of a backstory). The "Police" rating. If it was high, that was good, because you could use garrisoned military units to suppress unhappy citizens and turn them back into working citizens. But if it was low or in the negatives, the opposite would happen, and building military units past a certain point and making them leave the city would foment unrest and drone riots. If your faction was built the wrong way you could have pissed-off pacifists demanding everyone park their tanks at home or GTFO. It also had a different form of unit upkeep based on the "support" rating. Every unit had a "home" city and every unit over the support rating would deduct 1 production from that city's yields, and at low levels that would be devastating to your productivity. It wasn't money-based at all (I don't think). Funny how game systems change over time.
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Alpha Centauri did a lot of innovative things many of which were picked up by Civ4, I do wish Social Engineering was enhanced and implemented in a modern TBS (with hexagonal tiling and get rid of unit carpets.)
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The two big examples in Speedball's post were basically civ 2 concepts, e.g. police as in communist government and democracy's unhappiness at troops being away from home (at least it made forts more relevant). But there were lots good things in SMAC, once you get past the graphics.
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Apr 16, 2020 08:54
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I've made a thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3920273 It's nice to see so many Civ-a-likes coming out.
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Marmaduke! posted:The two big examples in Speedball's post were basically civ 2 concepts, e.g. police as in communist government and democracy's unhappiness at troops being away from home (at least it made forts more relevant). But there were lots good things in SMAC, once you get past the graphics. Oh thanks. Yeah, I wasn't positive that the police rating thing and support-through-production were things in Civ 2 itself. All I can directly remember from that is Elvis being your advisor.
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Apr 17, 2020 00:38
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A populace without luxuries is akin to a hound dog without a bone, a lesson I will not soon forget.
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Apr 17, 2020 08:48
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Chronojam posted:A populace without luxuries is akin to a hound dog without a bone, a lesson I will not soon forget. In that it's as good a reason as any to kill the neighbors, yes. But beagles get fat easily, so be careful who you feed them! Ragnar34 fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Apr 17, 2020 12:15
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Is diplomatic favor, the mechanic, totally pointless in multiplayer games, or can it be spent somehow?
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edit: Whoops this is the Civ thread, sorry.
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Apr 18, 2020 00:49
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You mean in Civ 6 against other humans? You use it to buy votes to get resolutions passed in the world congress. The results of the resolutions grants all sorts of bonuses, plus you get diplo victory points for voting for the winning resolution.
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Alright, so you don't have to buy the votes from a player, you buy them from the bank so to speak? And yes, I mean in a MP game with humans, I thought it was strictly a mechanic to interact with the AI. Mata fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Apr 18, 2020 |
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Apr 18, 2020 01:06
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Yes, during the World Congress sessions, you vote on each resolution and buy the votes from the "bank" using Diplo Favor points You pay [10 * ( n - 1)] Diplomatic Favor points to cast each vote. Thus the first one's free, second vote costs 10 points, a third vote costs 20, and so on, cumulatively. So, for example, four votes would cost 60 Diplomatic Favor points total. The available resolutions to vote on are random, but from the Modern Era and on, one of them is guaranteed to be "Target player gains 2 Diplo Victory Points / Target player loses 3 Diplo Victory Points."
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The AI likes to gang up on you if you're angling for a diplomatic victory and vote to decrease your Diplomatic Victory Points but there is a way to tactically reduce the cost of that, if you vote *along* with it, you'd get back one point for voting for something that passes. Heh. The other way is just to starve everyone else of diplomatic capital, which is hard but possible.
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What setup would be good for a 3 player multiplayer game? I'm thinking of Pangaea for world type, and some additional AI empires to spice it up. However, I have no idea about world size, game speed etc. as I haven't really played any Civ since V was released, so almost 10 years ago.
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Definitely pick Online speed, or whatever the fastest one is called. For map size, I would recommend you pick one a size smaller than what's intended for your playercount. I know it's not Civ V anymore, and you're supposed to have a big empire, but even taking that into account I find the maps in this a little too expansive. When I've played this in MP, usually with 3-5 people, the biggest balance problem is starting positions. Not so much having great/crap starts-- we often restart until everyone has an okay one-- but how close together everyone is. Often, a game will start with one player off on their own, and the rest clustered, so that one player gets huge. I don't really have an ironclad way to fix this (other than the mirror/snowflake maps, and I don't think there's a 3-player one). You could either go for a too-small map, so everyone's in each other's face, or a too-big one, so everyone has room to peacefully expand until the late-game showdown. I would recommend against putting AIs in, as it advantages anyone who starts near them, as they have access to a cheap supply of cities and XP. But honestly, that comes down to the temperament of the group. Can't go wrong with Pangaea. Edit: if you do end up doing a 3-player game, without AIs, consider disabling the religious victory condition. It's quite easy to get in those circumstances, and if one player rushes a religion there's very little the others can do to defend themselves.
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Started a game as Monte right next to Sumeria and what the gently caress. I chewed him up and his 4 cities became my first four cities. The first couple cities were cake thanks to some raging barbarians taking Sumeria from the flanks. However his capital can go gently caress itself. drat near surrounded his capital, he has one war cart in it, hit end of turn and what's this? 6 war carts just appear. This happened like 3 times. It really screwed my momentum
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Why would you ever attack Gilgamesh? I can see it from a gameplay perspective, you get some free cities and he won't encroach on your territory, but I'm always happy to see him because that's a flank I won't ever have to worry about and a free alliance down the road.
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Krazyface posted:Definitely pick Online speed, or whatever the fastest one is called. For map size, I would recommend you pick one a size smaller than what's intended for your playercount. I know it's not Civ V anymore, and you're supposed to have a big empire, but even taking that into account I find the maps in this a little too expansive. There are special balanced multiplayer maps I believe there are 2,4 players maps, as well as 3,6 player maps in civ6. You definitely want to go with those.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Why would you ever attack Gilgamesh? I can see it from a gameplay perspective, you get some free cities and he won't encroach on your territory, but I'm always happy to see him because that's a flank I won't ever have to worry about and a free alliance down the road. Montezuma hungers for resources. I have no idea how 6 War Carts showing up at the same time could be a thing, unless this is a slight exaggeration. The AI can buyout units right?
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It must be the AI buying a ton of carts? I didn't think carts could move the first turn purchased. But for like 5 turns in a row it was two carts per turn just launching out of the city
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Goodpancakes posted:It must be the AI buying a ton of carts? I didn't think carts could move the first turn purchased. But for like 5 turns in a row it was two carts per turn just launching out of the city I don't think any unit can move the same turn it's purchased, is there one?
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Apr 24, 2020 06:27
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One of the worst issues of Civ 6 is that the AI doesn't play by the same rules as the player.
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The last time I played singleplayer, one of the AIs rang me up during the AI turn to ask "Why don't you ever have anything to say?". I know it was probably just a comment about culture output, or my lack of diplomatic proposals, but I like to think he was confused why I wasn't spamming the other players with snippy little messages.
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Maybe one was being bought (and sitting idle for one turn) and one being fully built per turn? That results in a sustained 2 carts leaving the city per turn. Hard to imagine the AI stacking enough bonus' to complete 2 carts/turn via production.
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Krazyface posted:The last time I played singleplayer, one of the AIs rang me up during the AI turn to ask "Why don't you ever have anything to say?". I know it was probably just a comment about culture output, or my lack of diplomatic proposals, but I like to think he was confused why I wasn't spamming the other players with snippy little messages. There was a one patch that added a bunch of agendas to the random pool, among which were "sexist" agendas where the AI would like male leaders and dislike female ones, or vice versa. IIRC, that was the text they used to tell you they disliked you for having a male leader, while the female equivalent was some flavor of "God, just shut up! I cannot stand listening to you yap away all day long" It was not very popular and got patched out unusually fast by Firaxis standards.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:One of the worst issues of Civ 6 is that the AI doesn't play by the same rules as the player.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I don't think any unit can move the same turn it's purchased, is there one? A purchased unit cannot. But if the unit is completed by chopping a forrest, say, then it can move immediately.
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Ok I just realized why Civ IV was the best: John Adams' music in the modern era
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Smol posted:Ok I just realized why Civ IV was the best: John Adam's music in the modern era The whole industrial/modern soundtrack was pretty incredible in that game, yeah. Modern got downright trippy
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Played my first two games as Alexander (Macedon) won via space race, and then John Curtin (Australia) lost space race by 1 turn to Elizabeth (England) Culture victory. The for some reason I felt like going back in time and having a crack at the original.  It was very easy to but I ran into major issues when I had to find a thing to build for the sake of not wasting production. I was building unity just to disband them. Thank god in the new ones we have the Districts to use up the production if needed.
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Getting some intense flashbacks to DOS-era terrain there - they always looked so good for such low fidelity. One day I'll look up the name of "that game" that I played a demo of 30 years ago, I still dream of it. Aside from that, I'm sorry but that filter is awful.
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Serephina posted:Aside from that, I'm sorry but that filter is awful. Thought I was seeing things. What even is this. 
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Mortlock posted:Played my first two games as Alexander (Macedon) won via space race, and then John Curtin (Australia) lost space race by 1 turn to Elizabeth (England) Culture victory. It took me too many years to realise that the settler unit was a wagon, not a strange smiling creature of some kind. I still can't see the wagon unless I make a conscious effort.
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2086AD and you still haven't improved your lands or discovered the center of your empire? What are you, civ 6 AI? But I still think civ1 looks very good. Second best looking game of civ after civ 5.
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