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FairyNuff posted:Can we bring back zeppelins and dirigibles for air travel instead? I'm pretty sure that helium is stupidly rare, and also a non-renewable resource. It's also apparently very expensive to mass-produce. The only reason helium is currently readily available is that the US has been selling off it's strategic reserve over the last decade or so, and is due to empty it next year. Of course there is also Hydrogen (which gives better lift than helium). Technology can probably stop them from going Hindenberg quite as often, but the negative public perception isn't going away anytime soon. The major problem with passenger airships would be travel time. A 6 hour transatlantic passenger jet flight would take about 4 days by airship, meaning you would need a lot more room and life support per passenger.
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FairyNuff posted:Can we bring back zeppelins and dirigibles for air travel instead? Guess where we get the helium for them from?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Guess where we get the helium for them from? Natural gas, mostly.
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Why don't we simply use flying airboats like in final fantasy, we already have water boats it can't be that difficult
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Yeah I learned about helium scarcity when I had to get an MRI scan last month. It's made me think very differently about party balloons and that 
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Soylent Yellow posted:Of course there is also Hydrogen (which gives better lift than helium). Technology can probably stop them from going Hindenberg quite as often, but the negative public perception isn't going away anytime soon. 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Guess where we get the helium for them from? Clowns hoard them in their Clown caves deep underground.
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I'm fine with you banning me from taking flights anymore. The flying car research sector needs a kick up the backside anyway.
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OwlFancier posted:If you count the space shuttle booster as a dirigible, I guess. Simple answer - probably big enough, nowhere near fast enough.The problem isn't outright speed - the clippers had steamships easily beaten for that - but that no matter how clever we get you're still going to have days/weeks of no wind, or the wind in completely the wrong direction. What steamships, and now massive container ships bring isn't speed, it's *reliability*. You know when you order stuff that it's going to be at your door when you need it. Of course any kind of sane worldwide environmental policy would help to address this by deglobalising supply chains as much as possible.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm fine with you banning me from taking flights anymore. The flying car research sector needs a kick up the backside anyway. In that anyone that thinks a flying car can ever be a practical form of transport needs a good solid kick up the arse, sure.
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:Has any airship/ dirigible ever in existence had a detachable people carrying section that is aerodynamically designed to glide to safety in emergencies? Thinking about Thunderbird 2 e: also my boyfriend lives in America so I'd be sad if flights were banned altogether but like, fair enough HopperUK fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Josef bugman posted:Oh dear. Would very much like to read about that if you have time! I work at a Chinese company and have this through back channels. We were vaguely considering some opportunities there and decided not to because despite the figures, the news from the chinese business community there was that it’s rife due to deliberate misclassification. Vietnam is not the only country to be doing it, I’m sure.
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Julio Cruz posted:how are you defining choice? do refugees count? how about economic immigration? should you be unable to accept a big promotion if it means you've got to move to another country? how about people who need specific medical treatment unavailable where they're living? I was just saying that everyone should try to fly less, I wasn't suggesting enforcing limits. All I meant was that if you emigrate to another country you should accept you won't be able to see your family as often as you would have otherwise.
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Haven't flown since 2013, no plans to either. It suits me though, a homebody. My fiance signed us up for a local program where they deliver expired food from stores to people. Ever week we get a bag of carious groceries. I dunno if you got those but it's really handy and I recommend signing up. At first I wondered if we were really the kind of people who needed aid programs, and are we taking from the people who need them more? But I swallowed my pride and they said there was plenty to go around for everyone so far and hey free food, usually of the kind we usually don't try out. Weird cheeses, local artisan bread I'd usually not bother with, one time a big flank steak of beef. Got some beef wienerschnitzel steaks this week for instance. Goes well with the cheapest Lidl beer. 
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Prison Paul finding whole new levels of Normal to One. https://twitter.com/DavidJBradley1/status/1254404684258914307
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i think we should take another look at nuclear powered planes. problems i'm sure but it would be cool as gently caress and less greenhouse gas emissions
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Paul Joseph Watson believes his spirit animal is a shoebill stork? "The shoebill is noted for its slow movements and tendency to stay still for long periods, resulting in descriptions of the species as "statue-like". They are quite sensitive to human disturbance and may abandon their nests if flushed by humans. However, while foraging, if dense vegetation stands between it and humans, this wader can be fairly tame. The shoebill is attracted to poorly oxygenated waters where fish frequently surface to breathe." Checks out I guess.
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OwlFancier posted:This, I think, is also an extremely pertinent point. The idea of a globally interconnected world in every sense, on demand, is a dream, it's a dream that has persisted for a long time, but it is one that we are going to wake up from, one way or another. I'm sitting here in Canada, reading the musings of someone in the UK who I've never met. We already live in a globally connected world. Prism Mirror Lens posted:Sorry but I agree with this. Even if you couldn’t physically visit any more, you’d still have video calling, phones, letters, and I’m sure one day soon some kind of VR video chat or something. It’s not like someone’s torturing you by locking you away from your family. Being a long way away from your family and not being able to be in physical contact with them often is a tradeoff you make when you decide to, uh, move a long way away from your family. I'm sorry, but I can't read this statement as anything other than just being blatantly anti-immigration. People should have the right to live wherever they want. "It's not like someone's torturing you by locking you away from your family" Jesus dude. Go tell your mum you're moving to Antarctica and she'll never see you again and see how she reacts.
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minema posted:I was just saying that everyone should try to fly less, I wasn't suggesting enforcing limits. All I meant was that if you emigrate to another country you should accept you won't be able to see your family as often as you would have otherwise. Like most things in life even if we as regular people flew less it is all completely negated by the super rich and their private fleets of planes. So probably best to focus on them first before going after the proles.
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Aphex- posted:Like most things in life even if we as regular people flew less it is all completely negated by the super rich and their private fleets of planes. So probably best to focus on them first before going after the proles. What's your source for this?
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If we all went vegan and stopped flying then we wouldn't be able to travel to where the rich are and eat them, QED
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The Monarch posted:I'm sorry, but I can't read this statement as anything other than just being blatantly anti-immigration. People should have the right to live wherever they want. "It's not like someone's torturing you by locking you away from your family" Jesus dude. Go tell your mum you're moving to Antarctica and she'll never see you again and see how she reacts. Get a grip! My mum said she wanted to move to Spain and I said ok, but I won’t be coming to visit. She decided not to move there then. Big whoop. People don’t have the right to live wherever they want AND suffer absolutely no downsides for it.
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minema posted:I was just saying that everyone should try to fly less, I wasn't suggesting enforcing limits. All I meant was that if you emigrate to another country you should accept you won't be able to see your family as often as you would have otherwise. ...you already do? like no poo poo if you're living in a different country you can't just pop round to see family whenever you feel like it the problem is that some people ITT are suggesting hard limits on air travel to the point of "no gently caress you you can't see your family", which is not only a really lovely idea but also completely impracticable
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Aphex- posted:Like most things in life even if we as regular people flew less it is all completely negated by the super rich and their private fleets of planes. So probably best to focus on them first before going after the proles. Every Learjet ever built, combined, uses less fuel than 5 A380s. It's how the super-rich *get* their money that causes the problems, not how they spend it.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Get a grip! My mum said she wanted to move to Spain and I said ok, but I won’t be coming to visit. She decided not to move there then. Big whoop. People don’t have the right to live wherever they want AND suffer absolutely no downsides for it. jesus christ it's like reading the UKIP manifesto
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Get a grip! My mum said she wanted to move to Spain and I said ok, but I won’t be coming to visit. She decided not to move there then. Big whoop. People don’t have the right to live wherever they want AND suffer absolutely no downsides for it. Would you have these same sentiments if air travel wasn't very bad for the environment?
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Aphex- posted:Like most things in life even if we as regular people flew less it is all completely negated by the super rich and their private fleets of planes. So probably best to focus on them first before going after the proles. we can always do both  and the coronavirus limiting travel for everyone is a good opportunity to normalise less flights imoalso personally I find looking at my lifestyle and making changes where I can to make more sustainable choices gives me a bit of control and improves my mental wellbeing as well
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Get a grip! My mum said she wanted to move to Spain and I said ok, but I won’t be coming to visit. She decided not to move there then. Big whoop. People don’t have the right to live wherever they want AND suffer absolutely no downsides for it. Is this story meant to be a point in your favor? First of all there are already plenty of downsides to immigration, and not being able to regularly see family is already one. You denied your mum a comfortable retirement because you couldn't be bothered to take a ~3 hour flight twice a year? Seriously?
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I'm sure mum can have a comfortable retirement in the UK especially as we're working on importing the mediterranean climate.
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zhar posted:What's your source for this? Here's one article about it. https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...e-a9071391.html Per passenger mile they're worse mainly from the fact that they take less people so each person's carbon footprint on board is way higher.
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Aphex- posted:Here's one article about it. Right but you're still talking at the very most a few thousand planes which spend most of their time sitting in a hangar having hooker blood hosed out of them - compared to the carbon footprint of even a small regional airline it's a rounding error. Like I say, concentrate on how they get their money, not what they do with it - it makes no loving difference if the Koch family all start taking the train tomorrow compared to the colossal footprint of the companies they own.
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Sorry to infringe on old British people’s god given right to end up on A Place in the Sun lmao. They own more than one property already, think they’ll be alright e: VV I did but they already live too far away to see it! Another peril of migration Prism Mirror Lens fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Get a grip! My mum said she wanted to move to Spain and I said ok, but I won’t be coming to visit. She decided not to move there then. Big whoop. People don’t have the right to live wherever they want AND suffer absolutely no downsides for it. Did you stamp your feet while saying that to your mum?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Right but you're still talking at the very most a few thousand planes which spend most of their time sitting in a hangar having hooker blood hosed out of them - compared to the carbon footprint of even a small regional airline it's a rounding error. Like I say, concentrate on how they get their money, not what they do with it - it makes no loving difference if the Koch family all start taking the train tomorrow compared to the colossal footprint of the companies they own. Basically what I'm trying to say is that yes it's a class thing not a mode of transport thing.
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Aphex- posted:Here's one article about it. Personally I think air travel itself is barely worth thinking about. It's only 2.5% of our global greenhouse gas emissions. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-carbon-dioxide-emissions-by-sector  We could cut 60% of our CO2 emissions just by building a poo poo load of nuclear power plants and not have to change anyone's lifestyle to accomplish it, apart from maybe some higher taxes. Energy production is such an easy one to make huge gains with; it's by far the largest source of emissions, it's all done on a massive scale in a comparatively small number of sites, and it doesn't require consumers to do anything. It's also the springboard to reducing transport emissions when vehicles start switching to electric. Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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MonkeyLibFront posted:Did you stamp your feet while saying that to your mum? Why is moving to Spain some sort of God given right? "You won't be seeing me as much because you are moving abroad?" Like I understand and empathise far far more with economic migration and problems there than "I just felt like it and want it to be a bit warmer". Maybe I'll feel differently when I hit 60 and want to spend more time in the sunshine, but I can't see the attraction myself. Also isn't nuclear power kind of difficult to do because it sometimes 1) explodes and 2) takes ages to set up to ensure that 1 doesn't happen.
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Josef bugman posted:Also isn't nuclear power kind of difficult to do because it sometimes 1) explodes and 2) takes ages to set up to ensure that 1 doesn't happen. France alone has 58 nuclear reactors so no it can be done pretty successfully.
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