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CRUSTY MINGE posted:iirc he was a nazi because that was the only way he could get funding. same
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Apr 26, 2020 17:34
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maffew buildings posted:look it is literally impossible to get this rocket technology without it coming from a nazi, it just won't happen otherwise, it has to be a nazi
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Apr 26, 2020 17:36
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I always read Wahhabism as “whataboutism” and it really throws me off.
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Apr 26, 2020 17:39
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Blind Rasputin posted:I always read Wahhabism as “whataboutism” and it really throws me off. Whataboutwahhabism?
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Apr 26, 2020 17:43
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Wow the Pet Shop Boys are still releasing new material and also really don't know how to read a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAXGhYLVXXs
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Apr 26, 2020 17:44
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McNally posted:This sure is a post. Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and volunteer myself a day off. Von Braun was a poo poo person and I was mainly remembering rose lensed americana about beating the ruskies at something and we glanced over a lot of war crimes in general to win a pissing match, then abandoning it. We would have gotten to the moon without him and rocketry would have advanced without his influence. It's more that he was that figure for his cause that got us to where we are now, doomed to be locked to our own planet because Elon wants to line the skies with internet satellites. Also not a good thing. I mean, from a world burning entertainment view, sure, crank that acceleration dial up, but I'm told not to take joy in our own self driven demise so yeah. Who knows, without him or nazi influence, we may not have gotten to the moon until Carter. We could have had disco fever to the moon. I don't know why I threw the nuke part in there, I hadn't smoked yet. Not trying to argue my own stupidity there.
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Apr 26, 2020 17:51
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I think Braun was more Nazi than you guys think. He still wore Nazi poo poo when he worked at NASA.
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Apr 26, 2020 17:52
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bulletsponge13 posted:I think Braun was more Nazi than you guys think. I've heard that before, but only as random internet hearsay. Do you have a source for that?
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Apr 26, 2020 17:55
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bulletsponge13 posted:I think Braun was more Nazi than you guys think. Yeah, I'm gonna want a source on this too.
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Apr 26, 2020 17:58
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McNally posted:Yeah, I'm gonna want a source on this too. Maybe he wore a tan jacket once or twice.
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Apr 26, 2020 18:07
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https://twitter.com/MikenzieFrost/status/1254425627467415552?s=20 Bell's Two Hearted is a great go-to anytime it is available
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I don't know if some doggone moto scribe is keeping an archive of the more memorable Current Events threads, but April 2020 is one for the books
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Eason the Fifth posted:I don't know if some doggone moto scribe is keeping an archive of the more memorable Current Events threads, but April 2020 is one for the books Just wait until Meltdown May
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Alright I'm gonna stick my dick in the von Braun blender because why not I think that at absolute best, von Braun was a brilliant man who sold his soul to achieve his dreams. You can waffle about the morality or foresight of the decisions that initially tied his rocketry work to the Nazi government, but there is no changing the fact that his later V2 rockets were being built by slave labor in utterly horrific conditions under his watch, and no amount of postwar justifications or excuses from von Braun or his supporters can change that. He certainly wasn't the worst person in the Nazi government, but that is such a hilariously low bar to clear it's currently resting in the earth's mantle. As to his overall role in the space program... it's hard to say. von Braun wasn't NASA, but he was certainly influential in the direction that NASA ultimately took. It was von Braun that pushed Eisenhower to use military rockets for the early space program (The initial attempts being civilian-designed rockets that exploded in very public and embarrassing failures), and he constantly pushed for bigger rockets and broader goals. He played a instrumental part in the shape the Apollo Program took, and whether that would have happened without him, and whether we would have made it to the moon... those are legitimate questions. I think if there's any lessons to be taken from von Braun, it's a cautionary tale of the costs of ambition, and the dark paths "scientific progress" can lead if it involves tying yourself to the worst people and the worst goals imaginable. And that even if later on their expertise can be used for better things, that legacy is always going to be tainted by their previous associations. but with that being said NASA wasn't 'all nazi scientists' that's loving ridiculous, von Braun and the rest of his team played a big role but NASA at its peak was a loving huge program, and calling them all nazis is absolutely making GBS threads on the hard work and effort of tens of thousands of men and women from across the country, who all helped to drive in one of the greatest scientific and engineering accomplishments in mankind's history.
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Apr 26, 2020 18:27
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 It's an AI generated meme
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BigDave posted:Whataboutwahhabism? Sam Harris, is that you? Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 19:23
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Robert Goddard deserves more credit. The USA had a pretty good pedigree of rocket scientists without the Germans help. What do you call someone who chased their dreams while building rockets for the Nazi's? A Nazi. If Von Braun was less of a military asset either for the USA or just not to let the USSR have him, I am reasonably confident he would have gotten shot behind some building by the Russians or hung at Nuremberg. He was valuable enough not to kill. Beyond that, yeah sure things worked better (or just faster) for us with him on our side but I haven't seen much evidence of some change of heart by him that means he's deserving of any sort of redemption. Maybe he did apologize, change his views, try to make amends. Did he?
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That Works posted:Robert Goddard deserves more credit. The USA had a pretty good pedigree of rocket scientists without the Germans help. If Donitz wasn’t shot, Von Braun certainly would not have been.
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Apr 26, 2020 19:30
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Doc Hawkins posted:we may have helped a bunch of nazis escape justice but on the other hand we used them to get people to the moon on time so there's no way to know whether it was good or bad Mostly we used them to hang the Sword of Damocles over the world, the space program was just PR for ICBMs.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Mostly we used the to hang the Sword of Damocles over the world, the space program was just PR for ICBMs. Nah that's not quite the case. We ended up using ICBMs for a large part of the early space program (Thanks to von Braun, funnily enough), but the goal of the space program was to promote American leadership and scientific progress to the world, especially in contrast to the Soviets. Basically a very big, very ostentatious promotion of the value of free, democratic society, and the benefits of allying with the US during the Cold War (Which of course the Soviets did as well on their side of the Iron Curtain, promoting their successes as proof of their superior system).
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Christopher Hitchens, is that you? Yes, it is I, Christopher Hitchens! I was successfully raised from the dead with the unholy power of David Cameron's taint sweat and Johnny Walker Black!
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Mostly we used them to hang the Sword of Damocles over the world, the space program was just PR for ICBMs. I'm surprised nobody has nuked the moon yet. But now that I think about it, putting a nuclear bomb in a cold war era rocket is probably not a great idea.
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Apr 26, 2020 19:37
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A Bad Poster posted:I'm surprised nobody has nuked the moon yet. How many not great ideas are armed and ready to go right now?
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Apr 26, 2020 19:38
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A Bad Poster posted:I'm surprised nobody has nuked the moon yet. Cold War era is all the ICBMs.
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Apr 26, 2020 19:39
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A Bad Poster posted:I'm surprised nobody has nuked the moon yet. I'm sure you will be happy to know there was indeed a plan to nuke the moon, that got called off for being stupid.
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Apr 26, 2020 19:42
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Since we're all basically talking about nobles today, the president has joined in https://twitter.com/RealPressSecBot/status/1254480130715549696?s=19 the tweet will not be long for this earth, so I have to make a permalink to our big, wet president's take on our cherished nobles. Edit: OH MY GOD HE GOT IT WRONG IN THREE STRAIGHT TWEETS Edit2: OH MY GOD HE STILL CAN'T SPELL HAMBURGER https://twitter.com/RealPressSecBot/status/1254474995603996673?s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 19:47
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Wut. How did Russia make the news all the sudden? And aren’t we the other side? What the gently caress?
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Apr 26, 2020 19:49
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facialimpediment posted:Since we're all basically talking about nobles today, the president has joined in Working hard, thanks! DJT having to shitpost since he can't go play golf on Sunday certainly is something
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Apr 26, 2020 19:53
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Milo and POTUS posted:Hell, some people reenlist this hits home 
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LingcodKilla posted:And aren’t we the other side? What the gently caress? He isn't
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Apr 26, 2020 20:09
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It's a distraction, keep pressing him on the pandemic
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Apr 26, 2020 20:18
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Anything to demean.... says the guy making fun of disabled people.
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Apr 26, 2020 20:19
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EBB posted:It's a distraction, keep pressing him on the pandemic It's almost meltdown may...
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Apr 26, 2020 20:24
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PeterCat posted:Cold War era is all the ICBMs. Up until Saturn yeah. Redstone/Atlas/Titan/Jupiter were all IRBM/ICBMs.
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Apr 26, 2020 20:26
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm sure you will be happy to know there was indeed a plan to nuke the moon, that got called off for being stupid. IIRC one of the reasons for calling it off was that they weren't confident they could hit the moon with the current rockets, and they didn't want a nuclear bomb to boomerang back around and hit us in the face like Wile E. Coyote.
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Speaking of nazis and our military https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/26/us/justin-rohrwasser-tattoo-trnd/index.html cnn fake news outlet posted:
Covered. Not removed. Funny that. If you think military support symbolism is a nazi symbol, maybe the people you know in the military are nazis
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Apr 26, 2020 20:50
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Also just loving serve instead of getting what you think is a moto tattoo. So dumb and i don’t believe him. Hopefully the other teams won’t either. Have fun at the bottom of the piles.
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Are the threepers explicit white nationalists? I thought they were pretty mainstream right wing gun nuts. Just a bunch of rednecks really into operator cosplay, right? Then again they're homegrown in the intermountain west, so probably mostly neonazi maybe I'm confusing them with the oathkeepers who can keep all the brownshirts straight anymore LingcodKilla posted:Also just loving serve instead of getting what you think is a moto tattoo. lol yeah if you support it so much join the national guard ya big baby
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