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Woofer posted:Maybe we can all believe that aliens* started coronavirus and stop hating each other. Nah, it was Batboy of weekly world news fame.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Nah, it was Batboy of weekly world news fame. I miss Weekly World News
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Apr 28, 2020 00:33
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At least no one is blaming world social distance champion, Bigfoot, for a virus he clearly doesn't want to spread (or catch).
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Apr 28, 2020 00:43
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maffew buildings posted:Full on powerlifting ready garage gym crew checking in 
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Apr 28, 2020 00:54
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this doesnt sound good: Scientists fear the hunt for a coronavirus vaccine will fail and we will all have to live with the 'constant threat' of COVID-19 quote:Doubts about the possibility of a viable vaccine are based largely on the fact that no vaccine has ever been approved for use in the US or UK against other forms of coronavirus.
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I walked 19.4 miles and climbed 118 flights today just wandering around, I'm not even sure where I'm loving going
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Hot Karl Marx posted:this doesnt sound good: They've had successful vaccines in animals and there hasn't really been much of a point to pushing for human vaccines for the other coronaviruses since even the most dangerous ones waned pretty quickly. That article has a whole lot of "may be" and "might be" and "ifs" in it that mostly just seem to be doctors saying we need more information before we can figure out what's possible. I guess if immunity wanes quickly it sounds like we'd be vaccinating every six months to a year. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 01:26
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Yeah, just get used to the idea of it hanging around for a while. Saw something the other day saying it's now evolved into 30+ strains, but that's from the ol' google news app so who the gently caress knows. Gonna be a fun decade with the economic shitshow and the virus running wild.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Yeah, just get used to the idea of it hanging around for a while. Saw something the other day saying it's now evolved into 30+ strains, but that's from the ol' google news app so who the gently caress knows. Gonna be a fun decade with the economic shitshow and the virus running wild. That more just means strain types we can track as mutated from each other vs like new strains that influenza virus would have. Think more like different hair colors vs completely different species.
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Yeah, I realize that, but constant mutation at a high rate doesn't help with vaccine development.
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Apr 28, 2020 01:33
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I doubt any of us really know what matters for vaccine development but I do know there's a fuckton of laboratories out there devoting a year's worth of resources to different types of vaccines because they sure think they can do it and I'll give them a chance before I let the Daily Bugle convince me to look up how to tie a noose.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:this doesnt sound good: That's the doom/gloom version of this: https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1254854971498967041?s=19 The doom/gloom also kind of glosses over that we *do* have vaccines for coronaviruses - for animals! Cows have a particular vaccine for a coronavirus already. The trouble is that we basically halted development of human coronavirus vaccines because the coronaviruses themselves got stamped away. MERS vaccines were being worked on some years ago, but got cut off when MERS was mostly controlled. In our lifetimes, we've never really had a disease where basically every drat scientist in the world is all working on it at the same time, with near-unlimited funding and the ability to fast-track testing. There are also new vaccine methods too that we didn't have. They're actively testing the old-fashioned weakened virus injection, but there's also a shitload of genetically reprogrammed options/methods in development. Basically, we should've never stopped fighting SARS/MERS, but it was controlled enough that there was no longer any money in developing a vaccine for it.
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fine, here's some real data and numbers https://twitter.com/veryimportant/status/1254606547709243392
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Hot Karl Marx posted:fine, here's some real data and numbers Vince 
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Now y'all have been talking Von Braun to death, but the coronavirus vaccine struggle is going to present an ethical challenge too: testing! First, you test poo poo on animals and deliberately expose them, that's universally accepted. We're now at the point where vaccines are being shot into people, then those people are turned loose and tracked to see if they get the COVID or not, or develop the antibodies from the vaccine. That's the ethical standard, accepted globally, but that takes a lot of time! ... so what if some country, like China, decides they can't wait that long and decide to run the Rocky Mountain Laboratory trial, but with people? Shoot up a bunch of people with the testing vaccine, give them a few weeks, then deliberately expose them to the coronavirus and forcibly quarantine them. That's WILDLY and HORRIFICALLY unethical here - but I'm sure some rich gently caress could pay some scummy scientists with loose morals to carry out this kind of testing. There might even be volunteers! So as much as I originally thought the Von Braun talk was just talking about history - that kind of thing could come back shortly! And considering the information lockdown going on in China now and the shady quality of antibody tests, I bet they do it, and I bet some scummy dumbfuck pitches Trump on it at some point. Edit: or lol we're going to have a second wave and that's a good enough testing ground https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1254926131570126848 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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facialimpediment posted:Now y'all have been talking Von Braun to death, but the coronavirus vaccine struggle is going to present an ethical challenge too: testing! Peter Thiel doing lines off Uighyr "volunteers" in a West China camp.
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facialimpediment posted:First, you test poo poo on animals and deliberately expose them, that's universally accepted. We're now at the point where vaccines are being shot into people, then those people are turned loose and tracked to see if they get the COVID or not, or develop the antibodies from the vaccine. That's the ethical standard, accepted globally, but that takes a lot of time! Why wouldn't there be volunteers? If you reserve some ECMO machines and ICU beds for the folks volunteering, I bet there would be a bunch of folks that'd sign up. You throw in life insurance payments for the folks who don't make it, I'd be having talks with my wife about signing up. The odds are that everyone is going to get it over the next 2 years, why not do it in a controlled way where you're assured of great medical care and you help save lives? The fact that we aren't doing that shows that we aren't really treating this as seriously as we could be.
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It's called the military, you test it on them. We should all know this, the military is pretty much a giant medical trial after "winning" military pissing matches.
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There’s already been volunteers for super experimental vaccines in the US We’re just not doing the forcible exposure part, though enough trips to the grocery store ought to cover that
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wins32767 posted:Why wouldn't there be volunteers? If you reserve some ECMO machines and ICU beds for the folks volunteering, I bet there would be a bunch of folks that'd sign up. You throw in life insurance payments for the folks who don't make it, I'd be having talks with my wife about signing up. The odds are that everyone is going to get it over the next 2 years, why not do it in a controlled way where you're assured of great medical care and you help save lives? capitalism.txt
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That means Donald didn't do anything to help right
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Milo and POTUS posted:That means Donald didn't do anything to help right He made it less deadly
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M_Gargantua posted:capitalism.txt Other than life insurance, does this sort of solution look any different in other system? Sure, maybe there are marginally more ECMO machines in a socialist world, but there isn't enough excess productive capacity to fully ensure against all major societal risks so at some point there will be a crisis that overwhelms normal systems. At that point the fairest solutions are either to ask for volunteers or randomly select people. Regardless of the selection method in either case the right thing to do is provide them adequate support to mitigate the risks they are taking on for the good of everyone else. I mean, isn't "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" literally communism? wins32767 fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Internet Wizard posted:Oh are you my neighbor Maybe if you're in North Charlotte. Amazon put out a text saying they had another confirmed case in this fc, black trump supporter guy walks up to me and goes "they had another here. Supposedly." He also walks around with his mask protecting his neck or in his pocket and doesn't believe it's real or what good masks and gloves are gonna do. Dudes really ...odd. i made a joke about loving white people and he went off about "dont blame white people they get blamed for enough. My best friend is white. Blame the asians and mexicants." I had to glance down to make sure my arms were still white as gently caress cuz it just threw me that hard
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Stravag posted:he went off about "dont blame white people they get blamed for enough. My best friend is white. Blame the asians and mexicants." I had to glance down to make sure my arms were still white as gently caress cuz it just threw me that hard That’s an Uncle Ruckus move
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BigDave posted:Reminds me of the AIDS denial magazine that folded because the entire staff died from AIDS. Hachi machi how have I not heard of this before?!
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wins32767 posted:I mean, isn't "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" literally communism? That's socialism
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Ardlen posted:Poland and the Czech Republic are already in NATO. So is Turkey. That Works posted:It's Bossier, they fly over like that every day lol Precision nav like flying directly over multiple specific buildings in an urban environment is also useful training for bombers. This salute is literally simulating a bombing run on every hospital in the area. 
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Fallom posted:That’s an Uncle Ruckus move In the same 5 minutes he also said blacks and mexicans were trying to fight him at work when he wore his trump hat to work and i think he took my "yeah i can imagine" to mean "wow thats rough" not "yeah i can imagine them being pissed".
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2020 delivering like door dash. https://twitter.com/GovJVentura/status/1254783039642595330?s=20 gently caress yeah, let's burn it down. Back to back WWE champs for Pres!
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facialimpediment posted:That's the doom/gloom version of this: Drug discovery chemist and hellish chemical enthusiast Derek Lowe has a few longform blog posts laying out the state of play for vaccine development that I recommend reading if you want actual informed analysis of what's happening.
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Ventura doesn't have a history of sexual harrassment/abuse/rape allegations, right?
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LingcodKilla posted:Well... wasn’t he a SEAL precursor? He completed BUDS which means he did combat diving and not all the counter terrorism stuff that seal team six/DEVGRU got tasked with after operation eagle claw went horribly wrong. So that’s normal navy odds right?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Drug discovery chemist and hellish chemical enthusiast Derek Lowe has a few longform blog posts laying out the state of play for vaccine development that I recommend reading if you want actual informed analysis of what's happening. Holy loving balls we are throwing everything at this thing in vaccine form: quote:Summary That's a good drat link that I need to spend some time with.
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hobbesmaster posted:He completed BUDS which means he did combat diving and not all the counter terrorism stuff that seal team six/DEVGRU got tasked with after operation eagle claw went horribly wrong. Yeah dude is an Underwater Demolition Team frogman which makes the whole claiming the SEAL thing weird because uh, that UDT poo poo seems like it would have been plenty rough. Anyway 50/50 on rapist, yes.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:It's called the military, you test it on them. We should all know this, the military is pretty much a giant medical trial after "winning" military pissing matches.  ABC posted:ADF personnel should not be used as 'guinea pigs' in coronavirus drug trial, former Army doctor says
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bulletsponge13 posted:2020 delivering like door dash.  Just what we need, potential spoiler candidates in another election that'll come down to single-digit percentage point differences in key states. I loathe Biden, but he's the steaming bowl of poo poo that isn't Trump.
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bulletsponge13 posted:2020 delivering like door dash.  Back to back WWE Hall of Famers. 
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