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Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel
What is really crazy from today is that bond yields also rose significantly. VIX is now down below 33.

I dont think we are going to see 2500 again, much less a retest of lows. Too much money out there.

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Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.
Bough a small amount of SPXS near the top today because I believe we're gonna gravitate back to the 2800 line soon.

If we hit the 2900-3000 or beyond, I guess I'm no good at predicting this :)

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Cheesemaster200 posted:

Too much money out there.

I think this is a big part of the equation. Tons of money out there, and almost no where to put it other than the market.

https://twitter.com/markets/status/1254821395080589313?s=20

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

Inner Light posted:

What's with the huge MOC buy numbers causing a red candle, isn't it selling that does that?

There were four tweets posted here, and more that weren't posted here, and were all over the map quantitatively (although all the ones that I saw were the same directionally). Nobody knows how "huge" the daily MOC reset actually is.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


saintonan posted:

There were four tweets posted here, and more that weren't posted here, and were all over the map quantitatively (although all the ones that I saw were the same directionally). Nobody knows how "huge" the daily MOC reset actually is.

this seems authoritative?
https://marketchameleon.com/Reports/StockOrderImbalanceReport

~$120m to buy today

but that's delayed 15 minutes, so I don't know what feed the live tweeters are using for their info

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Still in NAT, the CEO went on Jim Cramer last Friday and pumped like crazy. Up 23% on 12x avg volume, 61M shares changed hands, the whole float is 142M. Seems sustainable.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

Cheesemaster200 posted:

What is really crazy from today is that bond yields also rose significantly. VIX is now down below 33.

I dont think we are going to see 2500 again, much less a retest of lows. Too much money out there.

Absent another shock, I think you're right. One of those shocks might be a red state early open flareup, if such a flareup even gets reported.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Ola posted:

Still in NAT, the CEO went on Jim Cramer last Friday and pumped like crazy. Up 23% on 12x avg volume, 61M shares changed hands, the whole float is 142M. Seems sustainable.

hello fellow tanker bro

Yeah, the NAT move is pretty dumb, and I've seen promo articles pop up in a couple different places now. It's probably the worst of the bunch and there's no good reason it should be running so much further than DHT or EURN... but it's worth noting that the RobinHood boys are piling into this, and that might be all the difference.

I may just be a little sore because this is the only tanker play I wrote calls against, and it has since outperformed all of them :mad:

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.
So looking at strangle spread OHLC prices on 0DTE ATM SPY at 3:49 and 3:50 respectively:

code:
0.79 0.86 0.69 0.80
0.74 1.11 0.45 0.63
Caveat here being that trying to chart a spread on TOS is of dubious value on a spread since you have no reason to believe the H and L are coincident at the same time (and particularly with these 3:50pm candles, to believe they are not)

But if I could get a fill at .75 to enter and .83 to exit I'd be real happy with that. And with a minimum bet of $75 I think I'll try and play it Wednesday.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



This was interesting but I definitely need to read it slower to try and understand all the concepts.

https://twitter.com/HedgeDirty/status/1254767346784313344?s=20

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


Let me clarify, you’re essentially going to buy a strangle at 3:49 and see if the 3:50 jump/drop does anything? Would this be an option expiring one day out?

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

MomJeans420 posted:

This was interesting but I definitely need to read it slower to try and understand all the concepts.

https://twitter.com/HedgeDirty/status/1254767346784313344?s=20

Oh yeah, saw that earlier on EFT. It veers into some dark places (dark!) but was kinda funny about problems with shorting trash businesses.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Agronox posted:

... but it's worth noting that the RobinHood boys are piling into this, and that might be all the difference.


Yes, that's what I assumed would happen after the TV pump, but that volume though... No matter, I'm gonna sit it through at least until the Q1 earnings and first dividends, then we see how long this thing lasts.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

So this is a presentation given last Friday by DC Health (Washington DC's health dept)

https://coronavirus.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/coronavirus/page_content/attachments/Situational%20Update%20Presentation_042420.pdf

Slide 11:



Not sure if this affects people's calculus in any way, but I thought it was interesting.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

MomJeans420 posted:

This was interesting but I definitely need to read it slower to try and understand all the concepts.

Let me help you with that:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1254767346784313344.html

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
That is a useful site and I like it. Thank you.

mr.belowaverage
Aug 16, 2004

we have an irc channel at #SA_MeetingWomen
Dumb question: If a price has an 's' after it, is trading stopped? That is my assumption, but I can't find a glossary or anything that tells me.

WTI futures CLM20 is showing an S on my one chart tool, but not at my brokerage or my other chart.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

mr.belowaverage posted:

Dumb question: If a price has an 's' after it, is trading stopped? That is my assumption, but I can't find a glossary or anything that tells me.

WTI futures CLM20 is showing an S on my one chart tool, but not at my brokerage or my other chart.

Is it showing you $12.78? That's today's settlement price.

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

poisonpill posted:

Let me clarify, you’re essentially going to buy a strangle at 3:49 and see if the 3:50 jump/drop does anything? Would this be an option expiring one day out?

Buy at 3:49 and immediately put in a limit order to sell for the targeted exit. Either the sell trips during 3:50 because of the bot move, or you exit at 3:51 at the natural limit.

It would be an option expiring in the next ten minutes.

edit: two options

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


Let me know how it works!

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!
I screwed around with a 0DTE SPY $288 put today that I bought at 3:45 PM and sold at 3:55 for 36%. Had I held to near 4 PM it shot up by around 100% of my entry price.

Kinda fun to screw around with if you call the swing correctly, but I need to play around with Etrade's sale types a little more to figure out how to quickly enter an exit strategy like Dwight Eisenhower described.

Jack Daniels
Nov 14, 2002

he's having fun with $USO :razzy:

from the negative contract day lol
https://twitter.com/BagholderQuotes/status/1252384848762691593

and in general
https://twitter.com/BagholderQuotes/status/1253121829042085890

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


I threw fifty bucks into USO today because it’ll either go to zero or a hundred

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
USO now converts to dogecoin. They just changed it this afternoon.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

https://twitter.com/tracyalloway/status/1254938167376924673

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
S&P will not be outdone by no hogs. Overnight double triple limit down on /ES

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

poisonpill posted:

I threw fifty bucks into USO today because it’ll either go to zero or a hundred

Oil down to $11.

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



How long can USO survive like this.... indefinitely?

I want to throw more money in the dumpster fire, somebody help and slap me in the face

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug

skipdogg posted:

I think this is a big part of the equation. Tons of money out there, and almost no where to put it other than the market.

https://twitter.com/markets/status/1254821395080589313?s=20

So what happens once other investment options start to look more attractive? Selloff to move cash into other areas?

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



SirPablo posted:

So what happens once other investment options start to look more attractive? Selloff to move cash into other areas?

Taking a big stake like this usually means you sell off in a controlled manner, you are big enough to have an effect on volume so if you are winding down something like this you won’t just go to your broker and do a market order to sell a million shares. It will get sold as a block to someone else who wants a big stake in that company or trickled back into public markets if/when things get better.

Assuming that other investments doesn’t include the now recovered asset that you took a position in under favorable terms when they desperately needed cash to tide over their otherwise functional business.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008


Pretty sure we only had one new entrant.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008
Also unless I'm missing something John F Bennett is currently in the lead since we opened up at 2854.65

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug
What's the inverse goon ETF? I'm going to throw in on that.

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006
HSBC reporting Q1 earnings missed estimates by $500m

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKCN22A0EF

quote:

Profit before tax came in at $3.2 billion for January-March, down from $6.2 billion a year ago and below an average analyst forecast of $3.7 billion compiled by the bank.

The bank increased its expected credit impairment charges by a hefty $2.4 billion to $3 billion due to the impact of COVID-19 and said total provisions for the year could range from $7 billion to $11 billion.

Quarterly results were also hit by weakening oil prices as well as "a significant charge related to a corporate exposure in Singapore", it said.

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.

reignofevil posted:

Also unless I'm missing something John F Bennett is currently in the lead since we opened up at 2854.65

It's still early, anything can happen. We might even see S&P down to 2 like user Drunken Officeparty thinks.

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006
nah the absolute bottom would have been 929.3 if the third -20% breaker was triggered every trading day this week (now theoretical week low is 1177.13)

drunken officeparty
Aug 23, 2006

John F Bennett posted:

It's still early, anything can happen. We might even see S&P down to 2 like user Drunken Officeparty thinks.

May the best man win.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Left some overnight OTM 2900 calls open on /ES :heysexy:

They still have another day on expiry so I'm just gonna let it ride

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

SirPablo posted:

What's the inverse goon ETF? I'm going to throw in on that.

I think it's just SPY.

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Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.
Just saw futures above 2900, lol.

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