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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

DuckConference posted:

servers are boring and most people shouldn't care about them

this is the Apple thread, where we talk about servers

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Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



BONGHITZ posted:

games and spreadsheets and emails are the only reason to use computers
There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding among many computers users about just what a computer is meant to be used for. This list shall set the record straight. It may be more useful for most to start with what computers are NOT for, and therefore, we'll begin with...

Things A Computer Isn't For

A computer is not for creating documents. This can be done with a hard-coded word processor.

A computer is not for viewing digital photographs. This can be done with a hard-coded viewing device.

A computer is not for browsing the Web, or sending and receiving e-mail. This can be done with hard-coded Internet terminals, and now also with many cell phones.

A computer is not for making mathematical calculations. This can be done with a calculator.

A computer is not for playing games. This can be done with a video game console (although not as well).

A computer is not for storing data. This can be done with paper or microfilm.

A computer is not for complementing the decor of a location. This can be done with flowers, paintings, tablecloths, and the like.

A computer can do all of the above things. However, these things are all possible without a computer; these applications are not the purpose for a computer.


Things a computer is for

A computer is a microprocessor interfaced to some memory and I/O circuits. A computer with a person using it directly often also has a monitor and keyboard.

A computer is for allowing you to change any value in any memory cell at any point in time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what might currently be in that memory cell or what it's being used for. The exception, of course, is ROM, but a computer is also for allowing you to reprogram the computer's ROM chip(s), because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what might currently be in that ROM chip.

A computer is for allowing you to change the value in any microprocessor register at any time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what might currently be in that register or what it's being used for.

A computer is for sending any data value to any output port at any time, and reading any data value from any input port at any time, because the user or programmer wants to.

A computer is for soldering a wire to any point in the circuit, because the user or programmer wants to tap into that circuit net.

If the computer has semi-permanent storage, then the computer is also for setting any piece of magnetic material on a disk, or any region of an optical disc, to a 0 or a 1 at any time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what that piece of media might currently be set to.

If the computer has a monitor, then the monitor is for allowing you to change the color and brightness of any pixel on the screen at any time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what else is currently on the screen.

If the computer has a keyboard, then the keyboard is for entering any numerical digit, letter in the alphabet, or punctuation mark by pressing a single button, because the user or programmer wants to, without having to fiddle with piggybacked keys or meta-keys.

If the computer has speakers and a sound controller, then the computer is also for playing any sound or musical note--digitized, synthesized, or otherwise--through those speakers at any time, because the user or programmer wants to.

A computer is for creating sequences of bits in memory and having the microprocessor execute those bits as instructions in sequential order.

A computer must be able to do all these things. If a device is not capable of all of these, it is not actually a computer.

The other thing that a computer is for is to be understood. Even if the computer fulfills no other practical purpose, it has achieved some end by being a functional, understandable device. In order for a device to be a computer, it must have all of its memory addresses, all of its interrupt routines, all of its hardware connections, and all of its I/O addresses made clear, open, visible, accessible, and understandable to anyone and everyone. If a device lacks this level of understand-ability, it does not perform the basic functions that a computer serves. After all, a computer is by nature an information device; the purpose of a computer is to receive, store, process, and present information. If information about the computer itself is concealed, then the so-called "computer" is not actually a computer, regardless of what happens when you turn it on.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

ted hitler hunter posted:

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding among many computers users about just what a computer is meant to be used for. This list shall set the record straight. It may be more useful for most to start with what computers are NOT for, and therefore, we'll begin with...

Things A Computer Isn't For

A computer is not for creating documents. This can be done with a hard-coded word processor.

A computer is not for viewing digital photographs. This can be done with a hard-coded viewing device.

A computer is not for browsing the Web, or sending and receiving e-mail. This can be done with hard-coded Internet terminals, and now also with many cell phones.

A computer is not for making mathematical calculations. This can be done with a calculator.

A computer is not for playing games. This can be done with a video game console (although not as well).

A computer is not for storing data. This can be done with paper or microfilm.

A computer is not for complementing the decor of a location. This can be done with flowers, paintings, tablecloths, and the like.

A computer can do all of the above things. However, these things are all possible without a computer; these applications are not the purpose for a computer.


Things a computer is for

A computer is a microprocessor interfaced to some memory and I/O circuits. A computer with a person using it directly often also has a monitor and keyboard.

A computer is for allowing you to change any value in any memory cell at any point in time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what might currently be in that memory cell or what it's being used for. The exception, of course, is ROM, but a computer is also for allowing you to reprogram the computer's ROM chip(s), because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what might currently be in that ROM chip.

A computer is for allowing you to change the value in any microprocessor register at any time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what might currently be in that register or what it's being used for.

A computer is for sending any data value to any output port at any time, and reading any data value from any input port at any time, because the user or programmer wants to.

A computer is for soldering a wire to any point in the circuit, because the user or programmer wants to tap into that circuit net.

If the computer has semi-permanent storage, then the computer is also for setting any piece of magnetic material on a disk, or any region of an optical disc, to a 0 or a 1 at any time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what that piece of media might currently be set to.

If the computer has a monitor, then the monitor is for allowing you to change the color and brightness of any pixel on the screen at any time, because the user or programmer wants to, regardless of what else is currently on the screen.

If the computer has a keyboard, then the keyboard is for entering any numerical digit, letter in the alphabet, or punctuation mark by pressing a single button, because the user or programmer wants to, without having to fiddle with piggybacked keys or meta-keys.

If the computer has speakers and a sound controller, then the computer is also for playing any sound or musical note--digitized, synthesized, or otherwise--through those speakers at any time, because the user or programmer wants to.

A computer is for creating sequences of bits in memory and having the microprocessor execute those bits as instructions in sequential order.

A computer must be able to do all these things. If a device is not capable of all of these, it is not actually a computer.

The other thing that a computer is for is to be understood. Even if the computer fulfills no other practical purpose, it has achieved some end by being a functional, understandable device. In order for a device to be a computer, it must have all of its memory addresses, all of its interrupt routines, all of its hardware connections, and all of its I/O addresses made clear, open, visible, accessible, and understandable to anyone and everyone. If a device lacks this level of understand-ability, it does not perform the basic functions that a computer serves. After all, a computer is by nature an information device; the purpose of a computer is to receive, store, process, and present information. If information about the computer itself is concealed, then the so-called "computer" is not actually a computer, regardless of what happens when you turn it on.

i want to give whoever wrote this a wedgie so severe it's permanent

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

carry on then posted:

i want to give whoever wrote this a wedgie so severe it's permanent

who do you think wrote it

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
It's giving me strong Stallman vibes, though I'm sure I'm wrong.

edit: Wait, this is the Apple thread. Please tell me it wasn't loving Woz...

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Lambert posted:

I enjoy all the "ARM experts" in this thread that have apparently never heard of the Server Base System Architecture. Listening to Apple hyperfans like management talking about technology is just lol.

I don’t know anything about anything you’ve said but I like the way the management talks ok

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Q_res posted:

It's giving me strong Stallman vibes, though I'm sure I'm wrong.

edit: Wait, this is the Apple thread. Please tell me it wasn't loving Woz...

Well, let's just say, I am no longer ashamed to be considered a philosopher. I am politically liberal, which means I am politically conservative. I am an engineer and an artist, but not a scientist. Though both lecherous and asexual, I am a hopeless romantic, but also enough of a rationalist as to value logos over pathos. People do not like me because I am not a "fun" person. I have a sense of humor (honestly, I really do), but I'm genuinely sick and tired of what I see as an excess of ridiculous, mindless exuberance in the developed world, and so I try to temper this by being an excessive killjoy.

cybrancyborg
Jan 24, 2008

How this ends still hasn't been unwritten...
I was initially thinking maybe ESR until I saw "asexual", which rules him out.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Q_res posted:

It's giving me strong Stallman vibes, though I'm sure I'm wrong.

edit: Wait, this is the Apple thread. Please tell me it wasn't loving Woz...

its not Stallman because whoever wrote it knows what normal people do with their computers.

its not esr because its too concise and not enough racism.

pram
Jun 10, 2001

Shaggar posted:

its not Stallman because whoever wrote it knows what normal people do with their computers.

its not esr because its too concise and not enough racism.

lol

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
http://lateblt.tripod.com/aboutme.htm

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

I can't tell if this is good, bad, awesome, or Grover house,

original:


modified:


macbook:


It's a bit weird going with light outline instead of solid fill.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I do wish the apples still lit up :smith:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

MrMoo posted:

I can't tell if this is good, bad, awesome, or Grover house,

original:


modified:


macbook:


It's a bit weird going with light outline instead of solid fill.

it leans heavily on the twitch girl titty streamer aesthetic and if you’re into that I suppose

pram
Jun 10, 2001
its from overwatch and its loving terrible op

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

pram posted:

its from overwatch and its loving terrible op

I was going to ask what anime this is from.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

MrMoo posted:

I can't tell if this is good, bad, awesome, or Grover house,

original:


modified:


macbook:


It's a bit weird going with light outline instead of solid fill.

??

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

Arcteryx Anarchist posted:

I do wish the apples still lit up :smith:

apples no longer light up
no startup bong
happy mac is dead

2020 is truly a bleak time

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
apple is run by tim, of course it has the soul of an accountant

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
drake for apple ceo

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
views from the six core

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
Apple does need to be more fun. they’ve slid all the way from the “lickable” interface to stark aluminum medical appliance, time to slide back some.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Timb shan't be forgiven until the skeumorphs return

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

No Mods No Masters posted:

Timb shan't be forgiven until the skeumorphs return

:haibrow:

poty
Jun 21, 2008

虹はどこで終わるのですか? あなたの魂の中で、または地平線で?
ive noticed that since working from home i have more interesting distractions from the workday than grubers blog so i havent read his rss for weeks

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored





Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

apples no longer light up
no startup bong
happy mac is dead

2,200,000,000 shipped iphones

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Agile Vector posted:




2,200,000,000 shipped iphones

World is a fruit smoothie
Born to enema

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

The Management posted:

Apple does need to be more fun. they’ve slid all the way from the “lickable” interface to stark aluminum medical appliance, time to slide back some.

but the keynote skits are cringey, so it's impossible to say if it's good or not

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016
sadly all of apple's r&d budget is going into discovering an extra syllable for the word aluminium

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

The Management posted:

I was going to ask what anime this is from.
anime is illegal

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

did you know? mario is anime

game of thrones? also anime
halo? definitely anime

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
We can't know if something is an anime or not unless we get Smoka's opinion on it first, though?

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

rip :smith:

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
The new SE has a button dimple, is it the same TouchID sensor the 8 has?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
it has touch id, yes

and it's almost certainly the exact model from the iphone 8

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
It's literally basically just an up-spec'ed iPhone 8, right?

I lurve my 8 so: :dong:

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
yes, to the point that some components are directly interchangeable

it's an iphone 8 with an a13 in it

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

did you know? mario is anime

game of thrones? also anime
halo? definitely anime

moonlight sonata? anime to the core

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Arcteryx Anarchist posted:

I do wish the apples still lit up :smith:

I didn't know this, nooo, I guess inevitable with future mini-LED displays or whatever if there no longer is a backlight.

I have currently a MacBookAir6,2 (2014), only two cores which is proving quite a limitation. Nothing really is going to help that I target dual-Quadro RTX machines, $8,000 :lol:. My desktop metaphorically blows up frequently like a D.Va, whilst the MacBook just chugs along like a happy snail. I'd take suggestions on the desktop later, I have no idea what the equivalent AMD cards are and how they hold up with 8K video. That only Windows supports hardware acceleration on video formats with an alpha channel is a PITA. x265 is still broken on nVidia drivers too, awesome sauce.

MrMoo fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Apr 29, 2020

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Feisty-Cadaver
Jun 1, 2000
The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.
is Catalina still dogshit garbage or is it safe to upgrade to now

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