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i honestly think they should just ban every single card with companion on it because theyre all broken
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Apr 29, 2020 01:58
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Lone Goat posted:can't wait for War of the Friend where there's companinos all the way down to uncommon Companion - All nonland permanents in your deck must have companion
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Apr 29, 2020 02:06
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i also think they should ban fires of invention and uro and let standard go on until rotation
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Apr 29, 2020 02:09
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Sinteres posted:I'd much rather see them ban any companions that dominate the meta rather than shotgun printing them until every deck has one. Sorry, everyone was so upset my the Jacetice league that they're going another angle and making every deck have their favorite lovable companion.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:01
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Bust Rodd posted:Play Design have such boring ideas, they’d give us a companion like “every card in your starting deck must have cycling” I don't think they're shocked by it per se. Mission Briefing, Assassin's Trophy, Lavinia, Azorious Renegade, Teferi, Time Raveler, Veil of Summer, Oko, Once Upon A Time, Emry, Uro, Kroxa, Underworld Breach, and now the companions, General Kudro, and Sprite Dragon. Them flipping eternal formats end over end so often might not be incompetence, but a deliberate effort to flip over every format end over end to move product. This wild power level is on purpose,
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Apr 29, 2020 03:06
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I'm pretty sure they've come out on record saying that they've been deliberately pushing the power level of the sets higher because apparently it was a pretty common complaint that several sets in a row would release and it would have little to no effect on eternal formats.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:23
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the time period from DTK to Ixalan or so was loving dire in terms of design, and part of that was super low power level, but a lot of it was just... bad design (Kaladesh was not a very low power set). Things have been much better designed lately—the Titans are genuinely cool cards—but the numbers have all been twiddled such that the power levels are insane. Nobody would have complained about Veil at 1G, Oko at 2UG with a +1/-1 to Food/Elk, or Uro flashing back for 2UUGG and eight cards. If Lurrus cost WWB, Gyruda cost 3UUBB and Keruga cost 3UUG I think we’d all be a lot happier about them.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:36
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Not being able to play Gyruda in a deck with Gyruda as a companion definitely would have put a damper on it, yes.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:39
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4uubb then, christ.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:40
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berenzen posted:I'm pretty sure they've come out on record saying that they've been deliberately pushing the power level of the sets higher because apparently it was a pretty common complaint that several sets in a row would release and it would have little to no effect on eternal formats. I did used to complain about it tbh, there was a long string of sets that were very boring after like...DTK
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Apr 29, 2020 03:49
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That era was more like, two good cards per set, and occasionally one was low-curve instead of an unbeatable midrange haymaker.
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Apr 29, 2020 03:59
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that era began with DTK, a set with two interesting cards and no interesting mechanics, and ended with ixalan, a set with two interesting mechanics and no interesting cards imagine an era where, like, grim flayer was a standard staple and chase mythic. makes my skin crawl to think about it
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Apr 29, 2020 04:02
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Grim Flayer enabled Ishkanah and Emrakul E.N.D., the unbeatable midrange haymakers. 
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Apr 29, 2020 04:07
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Hostage taker and the "you may spend mana as though it were mana of any type to cast that spell" text were the only interesting thing in ix block.
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Apr 29, 2020 04:28
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can't believe they keep making cards for
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Apr 29, 2020 04:34
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Lone Goat posted:can't believe they keep making cards for yeah they keep ruining these perfectly reasonable limited formats! [cycles my entire deck for 1 generic mana]
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Apr 29, 2020 04:58
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Bugsy posted:Hostage taker and the "you may spend mana as though it were mana of any type to cast that spell" text were the only interesting thing in ix block. Azcanta? Adanto vanguard Legions Landing Settle the Wreckage Chart a course Dive down Entrancing Melody Opt Freebooter (modern?) Vraska’s contempt Lighting strike Carnage tyrant Branchwalker Rip jaw raptor Wildgrowth Walker Hostage taker Spyglass Treasure map These were all standard staples at some point and these are just from the first set Edit: Rivals Skymarcher Aspirant Curious obsession Duaklegion Zealot Moment of craving Chupacabra Fanatical Firebrand Rekindling Phoenix Tainen fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Apr 29, 2020 05:24
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I think they're correct to not design for eternal formats for the most part. Cards like Show and Tell or Primeval Titan were not designed with 2020 Legacy or Modern in mind, the decks that are built around them arose from cards designed for many different standard formats. I think it's much more interesting for decks to arise organically and I actually think heavily pushing cards that didn't have a place in a standard format is boring and bad (looking at you Modern Horizons).
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Apr 29, 2020 09:55
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i feel like the majority of times that people suggest they should design cards with eternal formats in mind what they really want is for no new cards to be printed that have any chance of shaking up/bringing any change to those formats
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Apr 29, 2020 11:08
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flatluigi posted:i feel like the majority of times that people suggest they should design cards with eternal formats in mind what they really want is for no new cards to be printed that have any chance of shaking up/bringing any change to those formats No, this is a disingenuous reading. What they want is new, powerful cards to be printed that shake up the format and fit into decks they already own.
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Apr 29, 2020 11:51
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Tainen posted:Azcanta? The dude asks for interesting card designs and you give him a list with chupacabra, lightning strike,vraskas contempt and opt on it
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Apr 29, 2020 11:51
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mandatory lesbian posted:The dude asks for interesting card designs and you give him a list with chupacabra, lightning strike,vraskas contempt and opt on it Lol. Good excuse to re-watch this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356ilzFF8BE
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Apr 29, 2020 12:05
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Jabor posted:Not being able to play Gyruda in a deck with Gyruda as a companion definitely would have put a damper on it, yes. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:4uubb then, christ. Lurrus is exuded by its own rule, and Gyruda makes hay from hitting other copies of itself. But I'm not sure if Jabor has misunderstood the rule or OFS misread their tone, so easy to see how this happens.
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Apr 29, 2020 12:07
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Lurrus should have cost 2 so the game would be irrevocably hosed imo.
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Apr 29, 2020 12:49
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restriction: every creature card in your deck must be from Innistrad block payoff: 2 mana 3/2 hexproof flyer with “at the start of your upkeep scry 3”
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Apr 29, 2020 12:58
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Them flipping eternal formats end over end so often might not be incompetence, but a deliberate effort to flip over every format end over end to move product. This wild power level is on purpose, Let me introduce you to a little card game called “YuGiOh!”
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Apr 29, 2020 13:38
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Star Man posted:I don't like the idea of companions because outside of digital spaces, it's on you to make sure that your opponent is following the deck restrictions on it. It's not very hard to verify morph creatures after the game is over, but it's another thing to verify that someone's maindeck is in compliance, and you're going to miss one eventually. What advantage would they hope to gain by playing an illegal deck? People can get an advantage by playing 6 lightning bolts. They don't get anything for putting an odd card in an even deck.
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Apr 29, 2020 14:03
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We had the dreaded low power level standard format in IX/RIX/DOM/19/GRN and it was really good.
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Apr 29, 2020 14:54
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Please don’t disrespect my best and good friend, Carnage Tyrant, in this trying time.
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Apr 29, 2020 15:03
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salt shakeup posted:Lol. Good excuse to re-watch this vid that's a p good vid
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Apr 29, 2020 15:11
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haha I love that video so much and basically nothing has changed, no lesson has been learned!
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Apr 29, 2020 16:03
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I might be seeing what I want to see given the part about people being nostalgic about them in ten years, but MaRo seems to concede that companion as implemented is a little busted here: Part of what makes Magic Magic is that we push boundaries and experiment and try new things. Part of doing that is sometimes things end up stronger than you anticipate.,Trist me in ten years players will be mad about the latest thing and nostalgic about companions.
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Apr 29, 2020 16:18
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That's a good video and I like his perspective on risky value cards. Did ravenous chupacabra actually do anything in standard? I don't play standard..
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Apr 29, 2020 16:23
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Sinteres posted:I might be seeing what I want to see given the part about people being nostalgic about them in ten years, but MaRo seems to concede that companion as implemented is a little busted here: People are always mad when we gently caress up, but later on they will focus on how hard we have hosed up recently and time will have softened the memory of our past fuckups, so we will continue loving up and not learning anything.
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Apr 29, 2020 16:26
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ilmucche posted:That's a good video and I like his perspective on risky value cards. Did ravenous chupacabra actually do anything in standard? I don't play standard.. It rotated quite a bit ago, but just as they predicted it was highly constructed playable as doomblade taped to a body in a format where you could recur bodies out of the yard with an invincible value engine. I also liked their commentary on that dinosaur being a neat bit of play tension even if they didn't love it. One of my favorite RIX draft games was when my opponent was marking up creatures with it and I was obligingly like "oh, hey I have these neat die-cut skull tokens I'll put on them to mark it" all the while with a Hornswoggle in my grip being sure to hold it up the turn he could try to resolve it...
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Apr 29, 2020 16:29
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ilmucche posted:That's a good video and I like his perspective on risky value cards. Did ravenous chupacabra actually do anything in standard? I don't play standard.. I do not remember it destroying that format that job was up to the Scarab God
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Apr 29, 2020 16:33
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The backup callout on the azcanta/second sun was mostly accurate.
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Apr 29, 2020 16:43
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ilmucche posted:That's a good video and I like his perspective on risky value cards. Did ravenous chupacabra actually do anything in standard? I don't play standard.. We're so far past that point that now the most popular 4 mana creature in standard gains 3 life, draws a card, and creates a 6/6, gains 3 life and draws a card on attack and is recastable, so maybe thats why the video looks quaint now. No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Apr 29, 2020 16:46
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i mean the core point of the video is still true, though, and mutate is kind of casting it into sharp relief, because mutate is the ultimate "baneslayer" style mechanic-- invest mana, hope you untap with it. what creatures get played? creatures that are small and aggressive enough to sneak in under removal (knight of the ebon legion, mono red's various beaters, brineborn cutthroat), creatures that have an ETB effect (uro), creatures with haste (questing beast, kenrith and red cavalier), creatures that trade well against removal (anax), and two categories he couldn't foresee: adventure creatures (you already got value from them) and companions (creatures you don't even have to put in your deck). the apexes are super cool! but nobody's playing with them, for good reason.
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Apr 29, 2020 17:00
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So shouldn't we be complaining about the 4 mana board wipes that make high commitment creatures unplayable?
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