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oliwan posted:So apparently the number go up again in germany? what happen? Number lags behind countermeasures due to the time required for incubation and lab tests, so it's probably the effect of people adhering to the lockdown less and less the further it goes on. More importantly, the delay in number development means that in case people like Laschet are too hasty with opening stuff up, we will only see it in the numbers once we are already in deep.
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Ika posted:^^^^^ I was going off of this: "The Guardian posted:
The whole article is here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/germans-urged-to-stay-home-amid-covid-19-infection-rate-fears
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oliwan posted:I was going off of this: Oh. By Tuesday evening the estimate was back to 0.9. RKI seem to be giving bi-daily updates for a number that needs several days worth of data to determine. E: vvvvvvvvvvv ahahaha Ika fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:Bringing in all those Erntehelfer with little to no precautions so there could be Spargelessen in the first place has probably done more damage than people going to Spargelessen. YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON SPARGEL! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
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Sereri posted:YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON Excellent! I haven't had Spargel in years, myabe I should get some Blood Spargel this season. 
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Apr 29, 2020 11:02
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My Probezeit gave me some time to reflect, and I made my own Käsespätzle at home, so now I think the lockdown is good.
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cebrail posted:Yes, BLE contact tracing might be poo poo and worthless. But location data is poo poo and worthless, there is no need to try it again, we know it is. And no, it's not "all just" proximity detection. GPS, for example, is not proximity detection. Literally everyone involved in any of the related projects says that. And I'm pretty sure most of them know it better than you. Google claims to be able to do 1m and sub 1m accuracy indoors under the right conditions and hardware. I have no idea what the average quality of the data is that they collect today, but it's certainly better than nothing like you get with the BT tracing app. People getting a notification that they were in the ALDI with an infected person for 30 min is more valuable than nothing.
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Dentist trip report: dentist wore a ffp mask and diver glasses. She took of the glasses when talking to me. Dentist assistant wore a common blue surgical mask but in pink, and welder glasses. She cleared her throat once but I resisted the urge to run away. Receptionist wore no mask at all. My tooth is fixed so that's good. I bought some new bread to test the mettle of my remaining teeth, and the supermarket honestly had more corona rules than the dentist  Literally everybody has a mask now. Pharmacy tried to upsell me on "better masks" but I like the blue ones fine.
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I had to pick up a prescription today and the amount of people walking around with masks only covering their mouths, hanging around their necks or constantly fiddling with it made me want to scream
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Apr 29, 2020 11:59
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Randler posted:Number lags behind countermeasures due to the time required for incubation and lab tests, so it's probably the effect of people adhering to the lockdown less and less the further it goes on. The numbers are definitely trending down, and while there may be bumps, and even reversals if enough stupidity happens, things are looking optimistic. HOWEVER, the mortality rate remains very stably at 5%, so any r0 > 0 is unacceptable.
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happyphage posted:I had to pick up a prescription today and the amount of people walking around with masks only covering their mouths, hanging around their necks or constantly fiddling with it made me want to scream Well, Maskenpflicht is only about wearing masks. Nobody said anything about wearing masks proficiently.
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happyphage posted:I had to pick up a prescription today and the amount of people walking around with masks only covering their mouths, hanging around their necks or constantly fiddling with it made me want to scream yeah this is what i mean: people now have a false sense of security because the focus has been on the masks, but 99% of people don't use it properly and it remains the least important measure anyway.
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Apr 29, 2020 12:08
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oliwan posted:yeah this is what i mean: people now have a false sense of security because the focus has been on the masks, but 99% of people don't use it properly and it remains the least important measure anyway. On my weekly shopping trip I didn't see anyone wearing it incorrectly in the store. I wonder how large the effect of "I hate wearing masks going shopping" results in fewer shopping trips overall.
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Shakespearean Beef posted:My Probezeit gave me some time to reflect, and I made my own Käsespätzle at home, so now I think the lockdown is good. Excellent. The secret to good Kässpatzn (imo, just imo) is to take at least half strong Bergkäse (my Empfehlung if you can stomach it: Weißlacker) and half milder stuff like Emmentaler. Self-made Spätzle are better than storebought ones but take some time to produce. Spätzle made from Vollkorn-Dinkelmehl are really good and filling as hell. Don't skimp on the onions, add black pepper when it's on the plate as well as Röstzwiebeln, if you want, and serve together with a green salad. Delicious! 😋 e: if you want to experiment a bit, eat it together with a side of Apfelkompott which is a trick I learned from eating Älplermagronen in Switzerland. It's surprisingly good! System Metternich fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Apr 29, 2020 12:15
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Going from maybe 5-10% of people wearing masks to >95% of people wearing masks (even if not perfectly) has to help, I think. In addition, I would expect that it makes more people act carefully overall just from the psychological effect of seeing other people take it at least somewhat seriously.
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Apr 29, 2020 12:19
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the people loving up with masks now were loving up beforehand as well, only now on average their expulsions go less further
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They gave us these transparent plastic face shields at work. They are way more comfortable to wear than cloth masks but I have doubts about how well they work. Seems like my shameful ejections would just be carried downwards by the stream of air, out of the shield. Or is the idea that they get stuck on my shirt rather than fly into someone's face?
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I once made Käsespätzle with some Schwaben and they had this complex process involving three different types of cheese, layering it all into a tall pot and baking it in the oven. Every Schwabe has a Spätzle making tool. I also have one but I haven't used it in years. It's a Spätzle Reibe, as opposed to the Spätzle Brett (experts only) and the Spätzle Shaker (only makes long Spätzle, but round ones are nicer).
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oliwan posted:yeah this is what i mean: people now have a false sense of security because the focus has been on the masks, but 99% of people don't use it properly and it remains the least important measure anyway. yeah I agree. Saw some also ignoring the distanzierung and you know that they're thinking that the cotton mask Mutti made them is a magical anti-corona shield aphid_licker posted:They gave us these transparent plastic face shields at work. They are way more comfortable to wear than cloth masks but I have doubts about how well they work. Seems like my shameful ejections would just be carried downwards by the stream of air, out of the shield. Or is the idea that they get stuck on my shirt rather than fly into someone's face? I mean it wouldn't be directly transferred but yeah. Masks of any kind only do so much. And anyway everyone knows the shirt is the largest filter of them all
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aphid_licker posted:They gave us these transparent plastic face shields at work. They are way more comfortable to wear than cloth masks but I have doubts about how well they work. Seems like my shameful ejections would just be carried downwards by the stream of air, out of the shield. Or is the idea that they get stuck on my shirt rather than fly into someone's face? I think that's basically it - the cloth masks also don't seal well and make it go either up or down, but cough / sneezes get caught and it isn't at head height. With faceshields you have splatterschutz and anything that goes towards the floor is a lot less dangerous than several meters at head height.
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Apr 29, 2020 12:26
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Ika posted:I think that's basically it - the cloth masks also don't seal well and make it go either up or down, but cough / sneezes get caught and it isn't at head height. With faceshields you have splatterschutz and anything that goes towards the floor is a lot less dangerous than several meters at head height. Accurate. N95 masks protect you. Every other mask exists only and soleley to reduce range of expulsions.
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Mithaldu posted:Accurate. But don't N95 masks not protect others from you, because it has a valve that means exhalation is not filtered? Or do both variations exist?
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The surgical masks also protect you a bit, though obviously they're not very effective. Whether cloth masks protect anyone at all is not super clear, but they definitely don't protect the wearer well. Maybe better than nothing. People here are all pretty good about masks, they put them on their face and don't seem to mess with them much.
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eagerly awaiting confirmation that this is all the result of a bungled viral marketing campaign for a The Mask reboot
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oliwan posted:I was going off of this: Journalists don't understand that a lot of numbers are very fuzzy. The R reported by RKI is calculated using data with significant uncertainty. That's unavoidable because that data comes from reality, and reality is extremely messy and impure. RKI posted:Mit Datenstand 28.04.2020 0:00 Uhr wird die Reproduktionszahl auf R = 0,9 (95%-Konfidenzintervall: 0,7-1,0) geschätzt. That confidence interval quite a range. Miniscule movements of R are not really worth reporting on because they are bound to be noise. The "It's not 1.0, it's 0.9! (actually, 0.96 and they rounded)" is insanely dumb for that reason. Of course you round to 1.0!
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System Metternich posted:Excellent. The secret to good Kässpatzn (imo, just imo) is to take at least half strong Bergkäse (my Empfehlung if you can stomach it: Weißlacker) and half milder stuff like Emmentaler. Self-made Spätzle are better than storebought ones but take some time to produce. Spätzle made from Vollkorn-Dinkelmehl are really good and filling as hell. Don't skimp on the onions, add black pepper when it's on the plate as well as Röstzwiebeln, if you want, and serve together with a green salad. Delicious! 😋 Good shout - this is what we did! 50% Vorarlberg Bergkase ++ 50% Emmentaler. The Spätzle itself was just store bought but I would like to get a Spätzlepresse or that weird grater you hang over a pot and schloof the dough across. Maybe heretical, but adding a splash of apple cider vinegar adds a little acidity that works really well with everything else. So good
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Ika posted:But don't N95 masks not protect others from you, because it has a valve that means exhalation is not filtered? Or do both variations exist? pidan posted:The surgical masks also protect you a bit, though obviously they're not very effective. pidan posted:Whether cloth masks protect anyone at all is not super clear, but they definitely don't protect the wearer well. Maybe better than nothing. There are videos going around about blowing out candles with a mask on, but as you can confirm with very simple testing yourself, this only works if you put your lips directly on the cloth, and even a few millimeters of distance brake your airflow enough to make it impossible. This isn't complicated. It's not about deep microscopic filter mechanics, it's basic air flow physics that high schoolers can reproduce in experiments.
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oliwan posted:yeah this is what i mean: people now have a false sense of security because the focus has been on the masks, but 99% of people don't use it properly and it remains the least important measure anyway. Yes, that's what I was afraid two weeks ago, when we started this up in Austria, and unfortunately it has proven true. Luckily it hasn't shown up in the numbers yet, but people disregard the Mindestabstand because they feel very safe in their mask, most often one of the self-made cloth masks that are far from acceptable, even when used correctly. When in the next two weeks the first Ausnahmen in the Mindestabstandregelung get added (like in Öffis, since it's not possible to have 1m Mindestabstand) I think any application of this extremely useful tool will be gone totally in favour of far less helpful masks.
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Bundeswehr apparently wants Adolfs: https://www.bundeswehrkarriere.de/VIP/adolf It’s almost like a meme generator Except when you do stuff like this: https://www.bundeswehrkarriere.de/vip/Hitler https://www.bundeswehrkarriere.de/vip/Nazi https://www.bundeswehrkarriere.de/vip/8===D
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Seems like they're working with a whitelist filled with Guten Deutschen Vorrrrnamen and redirecting everything else
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It's also allowing other culture Vornamen, even fairly obscure ones (from a German point of view at least). But a good german name such as Ehrenfried is not allowed, smdh
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It lets me use Harris, but not HarrisB. So it's some kind of multi language first name whitelist, which is kind of smart, which is kind of surprising for a government website.
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Also gut gerüstet für den Cyberkrieg
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I heard the pay for programmers is quite decent if you are willing to put up with the other bullshit - I haven't verified the numbers though.
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Ika posted:I heard the pay for programmers is quite decent if you are willing to put up with the other bullshit - I haven't verified the numbers though. Apparently the Einstiegsgehalt once you finished your degree around 2100 to 2400€, which is... about half of what you can get in the industry with the same degree (why yes, we are grossly overpaid). I guess if you stick with it until you're like an Major or some poo poo it climbs up quite a bit, but with that much experience you can probably also get more on the outside. And for all that you have to verpflicht yourself for like 13 years.
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Perestroika posted:Apparently the Einstiegsgehalt once you finished your degree around 2100 to 2400€, which is... about half of what you can get in the industry with the same degree (why yes, we are grossly overpaid). I guess if you stick with it until you're like an Major or some poo poo it climbs up quite a bit, but with that much experience you can probably also get more on the outside. And for all that you have to verpflicht yourself for like 13 years. Ok, I was told >100k / year. That works out to 30k which is... not that competitive.
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Surely as programmer you would be a contractor or Zivilangestellter or something and not become a proper soldier. Pay over 100k sounds pretty high
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