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Jerik posted:and they were still demonically cursed with their current appearance due to their evil nature. Jerik posted:I wouldn't be too surprised if PC statistics for drow appeared in the upcoming Advanced Player's Guide, but there are no 2E PC stats for drow yet—the PHB "cavern elf" is definitely not supposed to a drow.
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Roadie posted:A correction here: the evil and the appearance change happened at the same time. Hmm... OK, rereading the entry, you're right; it does say that. I thought this was a retcon from the first big adventure path where the role of the drow in the Pathfinder universe was established, but rereading that, no; it makes both changes happen at the same time there too; I guess I just misremembered. It's still the case that evil elves sometimes spontaneously turn into drow, though, which is a bit weird. Pathfinder 2E Bestiary posted:Rarely, when a surface elf commits an act of cruelty heinous enough to draw the attention of a demon lord, transformation into a drow can happen spontaneously—but these transformations are rare enough to be legends in their own right. No known instance of a drow reverting to an elf has ever been recorded. (On the maybe plus side, Pathfinder 2E drow are lavender now instead of dark-skinned.) Roadie posted:I'll eat my nonexistent hat if any potential drow PC options aren't just ancestry feats for elves that give the innate spells and (eventually) save bonuses. Well, the main reason I'm guessing they might appear in the 2E Advanced Player's Guide is because they did appear as one of he featured races in the 1E Advanced Race Guide, and the 2E Advanced Player's Guide is confirmed to include some new ancestries... but actually, now that I think about it, I think they may have stated the exact ancestries that were included, and drow may not have been among them. Yep... I'd misremembered again. There are new ancestries in the 2E APG, but they're catfolk, kobolds, orcs, ratfolk, and tengu, plus aasimars, changelings, dhampirs, duskwalkers, and tieflings as heritages. No drow. Though of course ancestry feats weren't a thing in 1E, so even if they do eventually come out with 2E rules for drow PCs you may very well be right that they'll be in the form of ancestry feats. [Edited because I realized I'd mixed up the race/ancestry/heritage terminology.] Jerik fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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GW tried to retcon Ork tech, but the the Red Ones still went fasta.
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Mr. Maltose posted:It's actually much funnier that the space fascists are so incapable of believing their supposed lessers may have abilities beyond their own that they come up with extremely convoluted explanations about how actually these idiots are so dumb they outstupid reality when the actual truth is that The Working Class can just. Have greater understanding of technology. GW even made this point themselves in the Ork Codex, 4th Ed. Provost-Major Kyne, at the court-martial of Lt Gordo. posted:Half-glimpsed shadows? Ork wearing camouflage? Do you take us for imbeciles? Orks are barbaric and entirely single-minded. Army dogma, which has served us well for ten thousand years, teaches us this. Greenskins come on in a great horde, they do not slink and sneak in the shade. Guards! Take the prisoner to the holding cells to await execution for cowardice and incompetence.
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theironjef posted:I would personally avoid the whole "Oh just reseach how hyenas work and make gnolls like that!" angle, insofar as the human parallel would be "They act just like chimps!" Also, if you don't include hyena-likes, you don't have to deal with people who are way, way too into thinking about sex with hyenas, who are a way too large group in roleplaying game circles. :|
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Serf posted:i don't even accept "is a demon" as a reason why the demons in the setting should be considered universal enemies Josef bugman posted:No opponent you fight is ever going to be "okay" to fight really. Other than Nazi's. 
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In response to talk of Gygax being an abuser a few pages back, does anyone have any links? I know I’ve read of it before, but I mentioned it to my D and D group, and apparently they need receipts
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Cat Cat Cat posted:In response to talk of Gygax being an abuser a few pages back, does anyone have any links? I know I’ve read of it before, but I mentioned it to my D and D group, and apparently they need receipts
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Apr 29, 2020 06:44
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There was a big confessional his son posted somewhere that IIRC alleges physical abuse, as well, directed at both him and his mother. I'll be damned if I can find it now, though.
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That was the one where he talked about the low quality of coke inspiring him to head to Mexico and get a cartel hookup, so he may have deleted it.
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Mr. Maltose posted:It's actually much funnier that the space fascists are so incapable of believing their supposed lessers may have abilities beyond their own that they come up with extremely convoluted explanations about how actually these idiots are so dumb they outstupid reality when the actual truth is that The Working Class can just. Have greater understanding of technology. Yeah it's this. The "Orks just believe it works so it works!!!" thing is boring and like a lot of Flanderised things nerds say about 40k is very sparsely sourced from like one quote in an in-universe Imperial propaganda piece. The actual canon is that Orks aren't a naturally-arising race, they were created (like the Eldar were) by the Old Ones to be perfect for war, and that means they develop predictably. Any Ork society of sufficient size automatically generates its specialist components - if you get enough Orks one will naturally rise to be the boss, some will naturally become Doks, and some will be Big Meks. Big Meks aren't morons slamming two bits of metal together and imagining it's a gun, they're instinctive engineers who build complicated technology because they might not be educated but they are smart as hell and constantly experimenting, and they have a better grasp of some stuff like teleportation than humans do. If you think "lol they just imagine it works!!!" is cooler or funnier than an entire species which by default spawns mad scientists whose sole object in life is to make things bigger, louder, and more explosive, idk what to tell you.
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Overall, I've always liked using a bit of column A and a bit of column B when it comes to humanoid(and even some not-so-humanoid) sapient creatures in gaming. Your rampaging horde can co-exist in a setting with "civilized" cultures of the same creature, or ones corrupted by demons, turned into an army by alien space-squids etc. I think the instance I've used that comes immediately to mind was when my party had to assault a small keep taken over by goblins. But they didn't look like normal goblins, between strange growths of ridges or odd scaly skin and even more unnerving eyes/teeth than usual. The single goblin they found which didn't look like this was a blacksmith, who kept to himself after being punished for speaking out against their groups leader. Cause she was practicing necromancy/worshiping Orcus. When the party defeated her, he became their favorite blacksmith to visit and his connections brought on trade from goblin tribes to the keep. Now the guy was still "evil". His particular group used banditry to survive, but killed rarely. Things changed when they started slaughtering travelers for their leader to practice her new magic on.
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GimpInBlack posted:However, what you've now ended up with is a species that effectively controls the global media and operates secret conspiracies to control the world, whose primary distinguishing features are being diminutive and having large noses. That's only due to how 3e designed gnomes.. sort of. 3e was never very consistent with what gnomes looked like. The 4e art direction of gnomes altered that.  Dwarves were always more uncomfortable in Eberron though, since they've still got some Jewish coding going on that's magnified by them controlling the banking industry in Eberron. Plutonis posted:Makes u think. The various monstrous humanoid races do get lifted up in the "maybe it's bad to make something always chaotic evil" debate, too. Like Eberron created a nation where monstrous humanoids could live in peace and scare their neighbors by existing for a reason. Orcs and Drow come up more often because people want to play them more often, I guess, but people want to play them more often because they know they exist thanks to wider cultural osmosis of drow and orcs as fantasy races. I do see discourse happen more frequently around the goblinoid and kobolds noawadays, too. All the other underdark-flavored subraces get maybe a passing mention in a monster manual and otherwise you don't bump into them that often unless you're doing a whole underdark campaign. If people want to have some group of evil dwarves causing trouble in the hills, they just default to some band of rogue dwarves because who really remembers duergar exist?
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I remember. I loving love duergar. But the current 'evil dwarf' flavour of the month are the derro, who as I recall are evil dwarves slapped with a whole load of reductive mental illness tropes.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Dwarves were always more uncomfortable in Eberron though, since they've still got some Jewish coding going on that's magnified by them controlling the banking industry in Eberron. Eberron dwarves are just "dwarves like money, so they ended up running the banks because this is a post-industrial society." It's still crappy Jewish stereotypes, but it's not worse than default D&D, unlike "gnomes are a secret conspiracy that controls worldwide mass media to advance their agenda." It's all degrees of "did a racism because we didn't think this through," though.
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https://twitter.com/enworld_rss/status/1255451824737456135?s=20
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the specification that mearls isn't working 'on the tabletop rpg' might just mean that his main job is working with larian on BG3 these days it'd be pretty funny if the guy who saved D&D from the evil wrong video game-y edition and brought back roleplaying, not rollplaying eventually bails on tabletop rpgs and springboards off of bg3 to get a video game industry job
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The article indicates Mearls has been out since "Sometime last year" which almost certainly means when he went radio silent. He got sacked over Zak. Or rather, pretending to be WotC HR and single-handedly loving up the whole affair before siding with an abusive shitman. E: Or, as noted above, they just shuffled the "handsy priest" to another parish.
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Yay Ray Winninger! Loved Dungeoncraft, still do.
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going through the guy's Rpggeek entry, looks like he was involved in Mutants & Masterminds, Torg, a couple of AD&D supplements, those d6 Star Wars games, Fantasy AGE, and Top Secret were the things I recognized. seems fine?
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I mean anything's an improvement over giving an alleged pants shitter and actual abuser the names of his critics to harass.
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Is there currently a good article about the complaints forwarding anywhere? I thought Ettin had one but, well, gently caress Zak.
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...shouldn't this be a BIG announcement? The guy in charge of Dungeons & Dragons...and he's been doing it for a year without no one noticing? I can't find a single list of what he's worked on. Is there a list somewhere? Any clues on how D&D would/has/will change with him in charge? Comstar fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Comstar posted:...shouldn't this be a BIG announcement? The guy in charge of Dungeons & Dragons...and he's been doing it for a year without no one noticing? They probably want to keep it quiet because announcing Mearls' departure too close to the inciting incident would have raised a stink
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Comstar posted:...shouldn't this be a BIG announcement? The guy in charge of Dungeons & Dragons...and he's been doing it for a year without no one noticing? I mean I'm old so have known who he is for a long time but this was on the first page search of just his name: https://index.rpg.net/display-search.phtml?key=contributor&value=Ray%2BWinninger&sort=system
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Josef bugman posted:Pretty much this. I mean ultimately even violence against nazis is subpar but a fantasy game about wholly nonviolent deradicalisation by a well funded support system would probably be either deeply emotionally taxing or very boring to play. The really morally-null thing is probably skeletons, but, eh. The good version of demons was Exalted's, where demons are just people who want different things to you but in most cases the things they want are inimical to your continued existence, like "I want to eat people's bones" or "I want to replace all trees with towers of molten basalt". They're fully intelligent and rational, but their interests are just opposed to ours on a really fundamental level.
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Comstar posted:...shouldn't this be a BIG announcement? The guy in charge of Dungeons & Dragons...and he's been doing it for a year without no one noticing? That would require Hasbro to A) Admit Mike Mearls did something wrong outside of their pathetic apology. B) Give even a single poo poo about D&D. e: Mike Mearls Twitter still lists him as the "D&D creative director", which suggests that he just got shuffled. DalaranJ fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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spectralent posted:I mean ultimately even violence against nazis is subpar but a fantasy game about wholly nonviolent deradicalisation by a well funded support system would probably be either deeply emotionally taxing or very boring to play. The really morally-null thing is probably skeletons, but, eh. Exalted also has the wonderful bit that being deemed "always chaotic evil" (i.e. a "creature of darkness") is literally a form filled out in triplicate and filed by some government flunkie in Heaven. Plenty of otherwise perfectly-lovely entities have gotten the red stamp of doom purely because they pissed off someone with clout in the Celestial Bureaucracy, and plenty of nightmarish horrors from beyond reality whose very existence is tterly inimical to life have not because the paperwork fell down the back of a filing cabinet somewhere.
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DoctorWhat posted:They probably want to keep it quiet because announcing Mearls' departure too close to the inciting incident would have raised a stink 
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Hope that's not the case and he keeps the gently caress away from Larian, they make good games and don't need any of Mearls' bullshit hanging around.
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SilverMike posted:Hope that's not the case and he keeps the gently caress away from Larian, they make good games and don't need any of Mearls' bullshit hanging around. when bg3 got announced last e3 he was there with some larian people, he's almost assuredly working with them as a Brand Manager or something so no one at larian accidentally references warlords or gives fighters a damage on a miss ability
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Dang now I'm going nuts because I could have sworn one of the games in my stacks was actually called "Ray Winninger's X," where X was some cyberpunky mutant thing and so was the game.
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Yeah Mearls was on stage at the E3 announcement of BG3, so, uh... Sorry, SilverMike. EDIT: I saw a claim on Twitter that Mearls has been off "D&D the tabletop game" since February last year, which is before E3, too
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theironjef posted:Dang now I'm going nuts because I could have sworn one of the games in my stacks was actually called "Ray Winninger's X," where X was some cyberpunky mutant thing and so was the game. You're thinking of Underground, or rather, Ray Winninger's UNDERGROUND. (Here's the F&F.)
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Tulul posted:You're thinking of Underground, or rather, Ray Winninger's UNDERGROUND. (Here's the F&F.) Yes! Thanks you. Now I have to go dig it up.
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SilverMike posted:Hope that's not the case and he keeps the gently caress away from Larian, they make good games and don't need any of Mearls' bullshit hanging around. He’s the person the keep bringing on for articles to give quotes from the Hasbro side,so I think it’s pretty clear that his new job is brand manager or whatever they call that at Hasbro.
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Falstaff posted:There was a big confessional his son posted somewhere that IIRC alleges physical abuse, as well, directed at both him and his mother. I'll be damned if I can find it now, though. It was a giant post on his son's facebook page. I think it was posted last fall. It may still be up (or archived somewhere) but you'd have to go back through months of facebook posts to find it. It was a lot - physical abuse, emotional abuse, alcoholism, and other drugs.
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DalaranJ posted:He’s the person the keep bringing on for articles to give quotes from the Hasbro side,so I think it’s pretty clear that his new job is brand manager or whatever they call that at Hasbro. Which would explain why he didn't update his linkedin, too.
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theironjef posted:I would personally avoid the whole "Oh just reseach how hyenas work and make gnolls like that!" angle, insofar as the human parallel would be "They act just like chimps!" You're right to be wary here, but I feel like the context and application are important. I'm on record, even in the post you're quoting, that "humans but slightly different" is a bullshit thing. Putting aside the creative bankruptcy, that kind of thinking gets you on the express train to racist caricature city. It's an entirely legitimate call to say that whatever you're doing shouldn't tread in that territory. But if you're making the conscious choice to include non-human sentient beings in your game, your fiction, whatever else, they should be something other than human. With the exception of forums poster Nessus, everyone involved in this discussion is human. We only have observations and behavioral studies to tell us about other cognitive models of sapience. It's the sci-fi alien problem - how do you create a thing from whole cloth for which you necessarily have no reference? Well, you cheat and you use information you do have. If I want to play an uplifted octopus in Eclipse Phase, I'm going to research cephalopods and bootstrap that information into my character. If I'm playing a living song in a high-concept freeform game, I'm going to study music theory and audiology in equal parts, just so I can get a grip on what I'm trying to characterize. And while it's dangerous territory, I think even your example could be done well, with the right touch. Chimps are like us, but the are still very much not us. There's fertile narrative ground in how that contrast with humanity would play out. So long as it wasn't done by Gary "This Robert E Howard guy has some great ideas on racial politics" Gygax. I don't dispute there's a hell of a lot of baggage involved here. The hobbies this forum focuses on have D&D, Catan and WH40K as their flagships, so it's not like anyone who posts here should be unfamiliar with the concept of consuming problematic material. But I don't think there's anything inherently unethical about bootstraping a fantastical creation off of real-world things. Like with everything else in life, we just have to be vigilant about asking ourselves "Am I being a shithead right now?" Also, I just like monsters and space aliens. v  v
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