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DeathChicken posted:Jericho had a match against...someone (I've forgotten who) where he was supposed to win, decided that didn't make sense to him and decided on the fly to lose instead. On a related note, I'm pretty sure this was also the match where Jericho misheard Benjamin's finisher as "Beeboo Crawshanks" and had no idea what that was, so he just did a flying nothing off the top to set up the finish.
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This is the Jericho getting DQ'd because Pac got hosed up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eucgk_Zw7j0
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Tweak posted:Are there many notable instances of a wrestler going into business for themselves and changing the out come of their match in some way, instead of what was booked? I know of wrestlers deliberately removing themselves in battle royals they werent going to win, people forgetting to kick out, or promoter driven screwjobs, but have many people just decided to burn every bridge they have with a promotion and go against the booker in ring? Hulk Hogan was originally supposed to be eliminated clean by the Giant at the first World War 3 where Savage won the title in "the biggest match ever." However, he decided mid-match that he'd rather be illegally eliminated and communicated it to the refs, and that's why Hogan ends up completely trashing Macho's celebration of his first WCW World title win for like ten minutes.
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Doc M posted:I remember a story about Jericho asking Shelton Benjamin "Wanna be IC champion?" during their match at Taboo Tuesday 2004 and them improvising a new finish where Benjamin wins with the T-bone suplex. 1) At least in the second Jericho book, the decision for Shelton to win was Vince's/the bookers 2) The person muttering is Mike Chioda, not Shelton Benjamin quote:I went to the ring with absolutely no idea who I’d be facing for the title. Then a drumroll played and the results of the vote were put up on the Tron. Shelton’s music played and the crowd got to their feet, excited that he had won the election. Shelton was really getting over at the time and his offense and leaping ability were among the best I’d ever seen.
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Huh, I wonder where I got that "Wanna be the IC champion?" story from then. I'm reasonably sure I didn't make it up in my head.
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Doc M posted:Huh, I wonder where I got that "Wanna be the IC champion?" story from then. I'm reasonably sure I didn't make it up in my head. I'm pretty sure I've heard the same thing but also no idea where I would've heard it.
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There's a Mick Foley story from the Herb Abrams UWF where he was booked to go over Jimmy Snuka and really didn't want to because Snuka was his childhood favourite. So he and Snuka booked a double count-out for the finish. In a lumberjack match.
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Doc M posted:Huh, I wonder where I got that "Wanna be the IC champion?" story from then. I'm reasonably sure I didn't make it up in my head. Might be from Edge. The story goes that he was at a house show, scheduled to face IC champ Jeff Jarrett. He was already scheduled to lose to Jarrett at a PPV a couple of days later, so Pat Patterson decided, on a whim, to have him win the title at the house show, since he was going to lose to Jarrett later anyways. BrigadierSensible posted:Lance Storm also tells the story of how he was supposed to beat Teryr Funk, (I think even in Amarillo Texas), but they changed it based on crowd reaction. And because having an old man Terry Funk lose in his home town is stupid. Lance did this later when he was brought into some local promotion. He was booked to win against one of their top guys, and mid-way through the match, Lance realized that he should lose the match, so he changed the finish. Apparently the promoter was appalled, thinking the local guy went into business for himself until Lance explained that no, he himself had changed the finish. Davros1 fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Tweak posted:Are there many notable instances of a wrestler going into business for themselves and changing the out come of their match in some way, instead of what was booked? I know of wrestlers deliberately removing themselves in battle royals they werent going to win, people forgetting to kick out, or promoter driven screwjobs, but have many people just decided to burn every bridge they have with a promotion and go against the booker in ring? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kBectvqEYY
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What is it with wrestling failsons called David
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jesus WEP posted:What is it with wrestling failsons called David In fairness even if both guys had been good, those were HIGH mountains to climb.
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Has a ref botch ever been turned into a storyline or angle? The only major ref botch I can think of is Wes Adams and they just fired him instead.
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Benne posted:IIRC Sting was always booked to win and Bischoff just told him to immediately go home. But yeah, that was definitely a shoot pin. Wow. Just watched the youtube of that and that really was a mess. Could've been a lot worse. I knew Jeff had problems, but never knew he headlined a PPV while high. What a freaking shame.
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jesus WEP posted:What is it with wrestling failsons called David
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Tweak posted:Are there many notable instances of a wrestler going into business for themselves and changing the out come of their match in some way, instead of what was booked? I know of wrestlers deliberately removing themselves in battle royals they werent going to win, people forgetting to kick out, or promoter driven screwjobs, but have many people just decided to burn every bridge they have with a promotion and go against the booker in ring? One I've heard rumours about and seen once in person is shindy feds bringing in a respected vet to work a young guy with the vet booked to win. Somewhere around the finish the vet will "forget" to kick out at 3 to help make the rookie look good. My favorite story is about this promoter who loved working the boys especially during championship matches and he had a sort wwe style set up with the show(producer passing info to the ref who would pass it to the wrestler). Biggest show of the year, baby face in his home town in the main event against the heel champ, booking sheet said heel was going over. In the finish the ref calls for the face to kick out, both wrestlers are confused as hell, ref isn't giving anymore info, champ figures promoter is working them so he calls for the face to give him his finisher and pin him. Face wins goes to the back and gets screamed at by the promoter for going into business for himself. Turns out what happened was the producer mic picked up a fan screaming for the face to kick out lmao. Benne posted:Can't think of any examples off the type of my head, but in the old-timey days this was a big enough concern that promoters wanted their champion to be a tough shooter in case their opponents tried any funny stuff. I remember my teacher once telling me if I ever had to defend a belt in another fed to always kick out at one in case of funny business.
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Stanislaus Zbyszko and Wayne Munn is probably the most important double cross. Ed Lewis dropped the title to Wayne Munn, a star football player who wasn't a shooter to make him a big time attraction. Stanislaus Zbyszko double crossed Munn and then dropped the title to Joe Stecher who Lewis had frozen out of the world title. Lewis would do something similar to Ed Don George in 1931, after the match started Lewis told him they could do things the easy way or the hard way and George agreed to just lose to Lewis. But those two incidents would be why promoters wanted someone who could hold their own in the ring.
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People going into business for themselves happens. The Zbysco one mentioned above. Didn't Sexy Star shoot break someone's arm in a worked match? Also the time that tough enough kid tried to submit Kurt Angle on Smackdown.
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Don’t forget the infamous shoot F5
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Hellblazer187 posted:People going into business for themselves happens. The Zbysco one mentioned above. Didn't Sexy Star shoot break someone's arm in a worked match? Also the time that tough enough kid tried to submit Kurt Angle on Smackdown. That wasn't him going into business for himself that was him doing what they were told to do. They gassed out the trainees so Kurt could embarrass them not realizing what Puder was capable of.
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Edge & Christian posted:What (if any) are examples of a wrestler being reluctant/dubious about an angle/gimmick, agreeing to it despite reservations, and coming out of it going "I was wrong, that was great!"? Mick Foley hated the Mankind gimmick before making some changes and being brain wormed by Vince into trying it. He talks about it in his first book,
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that danny was a real bag of goods
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DeathChicken posted:Jericho had a match against...someone (I've forgotten who) where he was supposed to win, decided that didn't make sense to him and decided on the fly to lose instead. Are you thinking of the Jericho v Fandango Mania match? Jericho was always going to put Fandango over but they botched the original finish so Jericho called for an audible in the ring, and Fandango won by roll up.
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oldpainless posted:Don’t forget the infamous shoot F5 wait what, I haven't heard about this one. also one of the best ref moments has to be the audible thrown after that one Royal Rumble where Batista and Cena drew and then Vince huffed out and blew both his quads.
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have there been more successful amateur wrestlers or successful football players in the American pro wrestling?* *Counting "successful" as having a real run in a major company/territory I always hear about how hard it is for amateurs to adapt but there sure do seem to be a lot of them that have
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Low Desert Punk posted:have there been more successful amateur wrestlers or successful football players in the American pro wrestling?* It was pretty common to see important football players successfully transitioning into wrestling from the territories days with with the likes of Ernie Ladd, Bronko Nagurski, Wahoo McDaniel and others.
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Goldberg is probably the most successful, right? He played somewhere in the NFL for a little bit, didn't he? There's also Ron Simmons and Lex Luger, but I think Goldberg is maybe the most successful ex-football guy in modern times. I could be completely whiffing on someone else, though, because I don't know poo poo about football or football history.
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it depends how you define a football guy, because the Rock played in the CFL and a bunch of guys (most notably Roman) were good/great players in college but if we're talking NFL only then yeah it's Goldberg
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If you're defining successful football player as pro, then the field gets a lot narrower. There are definitely way more college football guys than amateur wrestlers in the business.
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MassRafTer posted:That wasn't him going into business for himself that was him doing what they were told to do. They gassed out the trainees so Kurt could embarrass them not realizing what Puder was capable of. I think I may have asked this before, but was Puder at all aware of what was about to happen in that Rumble match? He comes out all smiles as though he hasn’t a loving clue.
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If we're stretching the definition, The Rock was on the Calgary Stampeders practice team. EDIT: Someone already said this, never mind.
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Julio Cruz posted:it depends how you define a football guy, because the Rock played in the CFL and a bunch of guys (most notably Roman) were good/great players in college Not only that but West Texas State used to be a wrestling factory. Terry Funk, Dory Funk Jr, Ted Dibiase, Tito Santana, Stan Hansen, and Wahoo McDaniel played there. Its pretty rare now. Only modern active guy I know of who played college football is Colt Cabana. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Not only that but West Texas State used to be a wrestling factory. Terry Funk, Dory Funk Jr, Ted Dibiase, Tito Santana, Stan Hansen, and Wahoo McDaniel played there. Is Titus O'Neil still around? He played for UF.
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baron corbin briefly had an nfl job but was far too borderline to hold it after he started fighting people in training camp
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harperdc posted:wait what, I haven't heard about this one. It’s a joke. During Brock and romans match at WrestleMania it somehow became a thing that Brock was pissed off and people referred to Brock using “shoot f5s” on Roman as evidence.
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I don't know about the prevalence but I tend to prefer people with a wrestling background to people with a football background when it comes to pro wrestling.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I don't know about the prevalence but I tend to prefer people with a wrestling background to people with a football background when it comes to pro wrestling. There are suplexes in football. I have seen gifs.
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Also the hurdle, and concussions, though it's missing the swinging helmets at other peoples head
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Hirez posted:Also the hurdle, and concussions, though it's missing the swinging helmets at other peoples head Might I introduce you to Justice, Matthew from AIW Hell On Earth XV.
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When you're talking about football players who became wrestlers, there's only one that's the GOAT https://twitter.com/JohnGjoni/status/1255507230192959490?s=19
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Moose had a pretty decent football career.
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