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Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Tei posted:

What about /form/user/31, you want the edit details of the user 31 to be autofilled with the details of the admin when he is editing the user profile?

That's annoying for this case that I'm guessing is pretty rare outside of dedicated data entry jobs like call center/help desk. Leave a flag to deal with the edge case because that's what it is.

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nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Munkeymon posted:

That's annoying for this case that I'm guessing is pretty rare outside of dedicated data entry jobs like call center/help desk. Leave a flag to deal with the edge case because that's what it is.

Oh a flag to request autocompletion be disabled? Maybe a syntax could be something like autocomplete="off".

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

nielsm posted:

Oh a flag to request autocompletion be disabled? Maybe a syntax could be something like autocomplete="off".

nah, broken browsers will just end up ignoring it

YanniRotten
Apr 3, 2010

We're so pretty,
oh so pretty
The inability to turn off autocomplete in a straightforward way is particularly awesome when you're using the autocomplete provided by Google Maps and Chrome's autocomplete just kind of float on top it.

Looks super good.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



nielsm posted:

Oh a flag to request autocompletion be disabled? Maybe a syntax could be something like autocomplete="off".

I was talking specifically about email address entry, but yeah I know I'm still being hyperbolic and should just use (yet another) plugin to stomp on those attributes if I care enough, which I guess I still don't.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

When you make a web application, you have lots of forms. is very rare that you want autofill, and if you really want autofill, you often want it to be from a existing list of items pulls from the database with ajax.

on simple, complex or medium user cases autocomplete get in the way, breaking forms and also design.

but the google chrome don't let us disable it with autocomplete=off, so we have to resort to ugly hacks that they disable, and we have to find new hacks, that they disable again, and we have to find new and more combulated hacks, and so son.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

autocomplete off is the worst. As a user, I've had way more problems with sites that disable autocomplete than anything caused by autocomplete.

Literally Elvis
Oct 21, 2013

LOOK I AM A TURTLE posted:

Thanks for the dildos and buttheads Google!

gently caress Goog for sure, but like... run through your presentation before you present it? It’s not hard.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Maybe don't use words you wouldn't want people to see on a pc that will be used for a presentation, its just a bad idea if there is the potential you might be embarrassed. I suppose these are lessons most people learn the hard way at some point early in their career.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Just disable autofill in your browser settings if you're using it in a work environment where you're going to be doing a lot of data entry etc. and don't want autofill.

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
our testing team made 8000 usernames with the n word and now when we present we look like a bunch of racists wtf goog,e

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Jabor posted:

Just disable autofill in your browser settings if you're using it in a work environment where you're going to be doing a lot of data entry etc. and don't want autofill.

"Please, before you use this website, change the setttings of your browser" is not something professionals can or do and is a bad practice. Also changing global settings for a website?, what about if the others?, no, this is not a valid or sensible solution.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Thermopyle posted:

autocomplete off is the worst. As a user, I've had way more problems with sites that disable autocomplete than anything caused by autocomplete.

Do you mean just the obvious usability issue from lack of autocomplete, or did it actually break things?

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

Tei posted:

"Please, before you use this website, change the setttings of your browser" is not something professionals can or do and is a bad practice. Also changing global settings for a website?, what about if the others?, no, this is not a valid or sensible solution.

I like when websites inform me to enable third-party cookies!

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

CPColin posted:

I like when websites inform me to enable third-party cookies!

Most browsers include a handy keyboard shortcut to disable ad-blockers, enable third-party cookies, and allow the website to show notifications! It's usually Ctrl-W.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

NihilCredo posted:

Most browsers include a handy keyboard shortcut to disable ad-blockers, enable third-party cookies, and allow the website to show notifications! It's usually Ctrl-W.

I always just say no when a website wants to show notifications, am I missing something

I think I allowed Facebook to do it, and I'm ambivalent about that

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Hammerite posted:

I always just say no when a website wants to show notifications, am I missing something

Other than loads and loads of hot sex with horny singles in your area? No.

Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



The only sites I enable notifications for are proper webapps. Stuff like gmail, calendar or web versions of Electron apps I refuse to install on my machine like slack.

Aramis fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 29, 2020

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

NihilCredo posted:

Do you mean just the obvious usability issue from lack of autocomplete, or did it actually break things?

usability

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

Desktop notifications are the devil and I cannot comprehend anyone wanting them turned on.

The most mind boggling thing to me is people that have sounds enabled for them, which is then a lovely experience when they're presenting something via zoom screen sharing

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

I don't mind the occasional "long running job is done" notifications when I'm on a different virtual desktop. But sounds? Yuck.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Steve French posted:

Desktop notifications are the devil and I cannot comprehend anyone wanting them turned on.

Customers love quick feedback. Get a adrenaline rush when you reply to them in less than one minute with a quick solution to their problem.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Steve French posted:

Desktop notifications are the devil and I cannot comprehend anyone wanting them turned on.

Notifications of all kinds are extremely distracting and I try to turn off as many as are feasible

I became much more productive when I configured Outlook to no longer change it's icon when there's new mail.

Foxfire_
Nov 8, 2010

Some notifications are good. I like notification+sound for "you have a meeting in 10mins" and "someone is trying to get your attention in work chat" on my work laptop.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Foxfire_ posted:

Some notifications are good. I like notification+sound for "you have a meeting in 10mins"

so just enough to disrupt your flow, and then forget about the meeting while trying to finish off what you were working on?

dougdrums
Feb 25, 2005
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HappyHippo posted:

I became much more productive when I configured Outlook to no longer change it's icon when there's new mail.
Queue the chat messages 10 mins later:

"good morning"
...
"how are you today"
...
"it's really breezy out today, huh?"
...
...
"hey did you get my email?"

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

the best work chat notification is

"hey"
...
...
...
Person is typing...
...
...
...
...
...
"i have a question for you"

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

more falafel please posted:

the best work chat notification is

"hey"
...
...
...
Person is typing...
...
...
...
...
...
"i have a question for you"

this. oh my god this. not technically a coding horror, but so much of a horror that it belongs in this thread anyway

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Foxfire_ posted:

Some notifications are good. I like notification+sound for "you have a meeting in 10mins" and "someone is trying to get your attention in work chat" on my work laptop.

Yeah that's basically it
Have yet to get the "did you get my email" message but I'm sure it's only a matter of time

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

For things that I actually need/want to be interrupted for, I have a phone. I don't also need that poo poo on my desktop.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Surprisingly people need and want different things.

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

Thermopyle posted:

Surprisingly people need and want different things.

Indeed. For example, Slack really wants me to have desktop notifications set up so that I am more engaged with their app, and I need to have them disabled in order to maintain productivity and sanity

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum

more falafel please posted:

the best work chat notification is

"hey"
...
...
...
Person is typing...
...
...
...
...
...
"i have a question for you"

Our whole department (150+) is now on Teams and every single person except one other developer prefaces any question or comment with an intro or chit chat and won't actually put in the question they have until you aknowledge them.

Like, god drat people just put the question you have in the first comment you send and then the next time I reply will be with the answer. You don't have to go through coporate theatre, just say what you want and I'll try help.

Also I've noticed some people get real pissy if you don't go through the whole tedious process of aknowledgement first. I've had countless "good morning to you too" or other snarky replies when I initiated and go straight to the point.

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
i too cant socialize with other humans and get angry about those who can

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Sometimes when a person messages me with just a greeting, or a "Can I ask you a question?", I just reply with a link to nohello.com

With communication about shared work, it's fine to not use the sorts of pleasantries that you would expect in other contexts. We both already understand that if you have a routine request for me, I'll do it, so the only thing that's needed is for you to tell me what it is. No need to butter me up.

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum

Suspicious Dish posted:

i too cant socialize with other humans and get angry about those who can

I prefer the term information flesh sacks.

But for real the context is people that I already would otherwise have regular communication with, some we are already close enough to have previously gone for drinks together on weekends. They wouldn't preface quick visits in the office this way, text chat just seems to give people brain worms and they treat it like formal emails that will be audited.

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Suspicious Dish posted:

i too cant socialize with other humans and get angry about those who can

who here is talking about not socialising at all? don't be so obtuse. there's a time and a place, and when you're incredibly busy with your head stuck in a complicated problem it's genuinely annoying to have someone beating around the bush about what they've interrupted you for instead of just getting to the point.

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.
I actually prefer the introductory "hello" to check when the other party is available. If it's an involved question, it's gonna take some back-and-forth so I'd prefer that both sides be present, rather than constantly missing each other with hourly gaps between messages while I have to remember what the question is all over again. Likewise if I see a "hello" it gives me a buffer to reply when I have time, instead of being immediately compelled to drop everything to solve a question.

Maybe this could be solved by proper IM "status" to indicate when you're available for questions, instead of everyone being Away/DND/Invisible 24/7 to hide from coworkers they don't like. :v:

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

SupSuper posted:

I actually prefer the introductory "hello" to check when the other party is available. If it's an involved question, it's gonna take some back-and-forth so I'd prefer that both sides be present

"Hi, I have a complicated question that might require some discussion. When would you have time for a video call?"

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NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Personally, if a Slack chat opens immediately with a question, it feels more urgent and frantic to me than if they opened with 'hi'.

So I prefer if they open with pleasantries, because it's much more comfortable to ignore a 'hi' than a 'hi - the thing is broken'.

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