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I'm sure the zombies are in there to get you spending hours on stealth sections you can't resolve after loving up.
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RE4 is a better game than The Last of Us, and the credit sequence alone, not even the rest of the game, just the credit sequence, blows it out of the water in terms of the themes they wanted the player to understand. I don't know why people are getting mad about a sequel that hasn't even released yet when it's original game couldn't even outdo a game that came out fifteen years ago.
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Apr 30, 2020 00:58
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Part of that is the zombie craze being extremely over but it's going to be extremely funny if Ellie's immunity turns out to be a non-factor in the game and civilization is rebuilding anyway. Joel Did Nothing Wrong.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:00
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remember when romero films used zombies as just a backdrop to whatever else he wanted to talk about at the time and one involves a bunch of scientists and high level military people all of supposed above average intelligence in a secure situation eventually killing themselves with zombies out of stupidity.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:01
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Romero had messages besides We Live In A Post-Apocalyptic Society.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:03
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I don't particularly care for zombies but the fungus zombies are kind of cool visually. I doubt they'll have much narrative impact in this game though because pretty much everything you can do with a mindless zombie has been seen by audiences now. They'll be there to force you into gameplay sections of questionable entertainment value and that's about it.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:03
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Stux posted:remember when romero films used zombies as just a backdrop to whatever else he wanted to talk about at the time and one involves a bunch of scientists and high level military people all of supposed above average intelligence in a secure situation eventually killing themselves with zombies out of stupidity. Yeah. This is the same reason I really like science fiction stories with strong characters and human stories. It's fun to see developed characters in situations that are beyond reckoning.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:05
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Gologle posted:RE4 is a better game than The Last of Us, and the credit sequence alone, not even the rest of the game, just the credit sequence, blows it out of the water in terms of the themes they wanted the player to understand. I don't know why people are getting mad about a sequel that hasn't even released yet when it's original game couldn't even outdo a game that came out fifteen years ago. RE6 is better than both RE4 and TLOU, that doesn't mean they're not all good games
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Apr 30, 2020 01:06
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Zombies are good but they're best in left for dead style games. Anyway I read all the spoilers and it sounds dumb.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:06
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The best zumble game will always be Dead Rising though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZVKU5imx0
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Apr 30, 2020 01:08
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I just want to see the zombie world based around this sketch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6FjGhHwBY
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Kavak posted:Romero had messages besides We Live In A Post-Apocalyptic Society. only sometimes
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It's also worth mentioning that "is extremely smart at a branch of science" does not translate to "is a put-together and competent person." Being a genius at surgery doesn't mean you're not the kind of guy who writes his password on a sticky note taped to his computer.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:13
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this is probably how things will go down -Abby and friends kill Joel and beat Ellie -next couple chapters show Abby and her friends and expand on their character a bit, humanise them and show that they're probably decent people(as decent as you can be to survive the apocalypse) and may even regret what they've just done -Ellie starts killing them one by one Predator style and Abby becomes more and more unhinged as her friends drop like flies around her -Abby does the 2 on 1 beatdown and is ready to cut a pregnant bitch up
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Apr 30, 2020 01:13
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CharlestonJew posted:this is probably how things will go down That sounds pretty much like what the spoilers say, yeah. Ellie supposedly kills a bunch of Abby's friends after Abby goes out of her way not to kill her which is why she is that bonkers by the end.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:16
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I hope that reasoning behind the leak is true. It would also shut up the folks that were like "Think of Naughty Dog, this only hurts everyone, direct action is too extreme"
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Apr 30, 2020 01:20
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I hope that reasoning behind the leak is true. It would also shut up the folks that were like "Think of Naughty Dog, this only hurts everyone, direct action is too extreme" It seems likely given their treatment of others. Is it disrespectful to the other developers and workers that care about it? Probably. Is it an awful terrible action? Nah.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I hope that reasoning behind the leak is true. It would also shut up the folks that were like "Think of Naughty Dog, this only hurts everyone, direct action is too extreme" Think of Corporation is always a lovely argument that always stems from wanting to assume the people who make your media are your friend. Like, okay, let's think of Naughty dog... hmm... 70% turn over for TLOU2 and multiple complaints of horrid work place conditions. I have thought of Naughty Dog. gently caress Naughty Dog.
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Apr 30, 2020 01:32
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ImpAtom posted:That sounds pretty much like what the spoilers say, yeah. Ellie supposedly kills a bunch of Abby's friends after Abby goes out of her way not to kill her which is why she is that bonkers by the end. Goes out of her way not to kill her? Have you seen the cutscene? That happening to anyone is like the beginning of their revenge story
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Apr 30, 2020 01:33
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Hibbloes posted:Goes out of her way not to kill her? Have you seen the cutscene? That happening to anyone is like the beginning of their revenge story Aren't there two incidents: the Abby kills Joel scene happens early and Abby almost kills Ellie and Dina is the dramatic turn at the end of the story
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Stux posted:its absolutely over the top in that manner but for me the fidelity in how its rendered is what pushes it over i think Hmm I guess that makes sense. There is a difference between spaghetti-o colored water and realistically oozing blood, even if both are fake. Either way very uncool to make the artists look at real corpses and injuries all day.
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Hibbloes posted:Goes out of her way not to kill her? Have you seen the cutscene? That happening to anyone is like the beginning of their revenge story There are multiple cutscenes. The most extreme one is at the very end of the game. From what I understand from spoilers it is basically: Abby and friends track down and kill Joel but do not kill Ellie. Ellie is obviously Not Okay with that and goes after them for revenge. Lots of people die and by the end Abby is out of control and going for revenge against Ellie. She is a heartbeat away from doing it but pulls back at the last minute. The actual ending is Ellie going off for revenge again despite people around her begging her not to. It's basically a cycle of "You killed MY DAD." "You killed *MY* Dad." "You killed all my friends!" "You killed and hurt my friends!" *action figures mush together, some arms fall off.* ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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ImpAtom posted:There are multiple cutscenes. The most extreme one is at the very end of the game. yeah but i think they kinda trigger the same reaction in elly, whether you're murdering her foster dad, brutalizing her personally, or brutalizing her grilfriend, abby is kinda setting herself up for death by vengeance in a classic video game trope style. obviously i havent played it, but i cant imagine a single thing abby could do prior to any of these that make elly seem like it was a justifiable thing to let go. that being said i cant imagine a better ending in anything for the old "best served cold" adage than just getting one upped and dying cause you went in after it
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Apr 30, 2020 01:49
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SIGSEGV posted:They are, because the game says they are, because the game presents them as such and because other characters treat them as such, hardened bandits and smugglers. That have been doing that for twenty years. If they don't appear to be prepared for their jobs, it's a little problem. The problem with the machine gun car isn't the realism of it- the bandit community isn't really portrayed as living much of a life anyway, but that the machine gun car sequences really suck in terms of gameplay- you might have a tense fight with some hunters but then the car comes to usher you to the next cutscene or to do a nice run and talk.
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Hibbloes posted:yeah but i think they kinda trigger the same reaction in elly, whether you're murdering her foster dad, brutalizing her personally, or brutalizing her grilfriend, abby is kinda setting herself up for death by vengeance in a classic video game trope style. obviously i havent played it, but i cant imagine a single thing abby could do prior to any of these that make elly seem like it was a justifiable thing to let go. I mean that's kind of the point. Abby went after Joel because he murdered her father and people she cared about. Ellie then responds the exact same way Abby did, which makes Abby respond in kind. Abby kind of breaks off at the last moment but that just means Ellie is going after her again now. Neither of them are capable of letting go of their desire for revenge and it spills over to the people around them. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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I don't get why people are hating on last of us I thought it was fun the story was alright. I don't understand what Joel did that makes him a bad guy except he like says he did some bad stuff? He is only ever really shown killing people in self defense except the end.
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Apr 30, 2020 02:10
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He only killed one hospital full of people, he's fine.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean that's kind of the point. Abby went after Joel because he murdered her father and people she cared about. Right, i agree with you on that completely. i kinda mean that the way abby commits these acts (brutal murder of foster father, explicit in a traumatic way) she is making sure she traumatizes elly and fertilizing the grounds of revenge. she doesn't sneak a poison pill into joel's cuppa. she's triggering elly's desire for revenge in a way that doesn't make "well, why dont you just let it go?" seem sensible to me.
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i must compose posted:I don't get why people are hating on last of us I thought it was fun the story was alright. I don't understand what Joel did that makes him a bad guy except he like says he did some bad stuff? He is only ever really shown killing people in self defense except the end. Joel is pretty unambigious about the fact that before he met Ellie he wasn't exactly picky about what he did to survive. He was part of a bandit group for some period of time and admits to straight up murdering people. He is softened over the course of the story by Ellie's presence but it doesn't really undo the "I murdered a lot of people" thing, especially when the ending involves him murdering a lot more people. You can argue the justification/not justification of what he did but the critical point is that to the character none of that mattered and he would have committed the same murder no matter what. It's worth remembering that the last person Joel kills in the same he kills because "you'll come after me." Which he is not wrong about and it turns out that a different survivor comes after him instead. Hibbloes posted:Right, i agree with you on that completely. i kinda mean that the way abby commits these acts (brutal murder of foster father, explicit in a traumatic way) she is making sure she traumatizes elly and fertilizing the grounds of revenge. she doesn't sneak a poison pill into joel's cuppa. she's triggering elly's desire for revenge in a way that doesn't make "well, why dont you just let it go?" seem sensible to me. It doesn't seem like she's thinking ahead. She is a traumatized person seeking a visceral revenge. She isn't thinking about a lifelong feud of ever-increasing violence, she just is thinking short-term about revenge. Which it sounds like is the exact same trap Ellie falls into because she goes out a'killin' and it ends up bringing the violence back to the people close to her at the end. Neither character is thinking of a logical sensible outcome. They're looking for an outlet for their anger. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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If the story is Abby went after Joel for killing his dad only for Ellie to turn sicko and goes on a rampage and THEN Abby goes Shao Kahn on her rear end im onboard. Im day one on tlou3 if the game is Abby going after Ellie just because she doesnt know when to loving stop.
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Zeta Acosta posted:If the story is Abby went after Joel for killing his dad only for Ellie to turn sicko and goes on a rampage and THEN Abby goes Shao Kahn on her rear end im onboard. Im day one on tlou3 if the game is Abby going after Ellie just because she doesnt know when to loving stop. It sounds like it's the opposite. Abby goes after Joel, Ellie goes for revenge, Abby goes for revenge for that, and then the ending is Ellie abandoning her loved ones and her life to chase Abby for more revengin'.
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Apr 30, 2020 02:27
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the last of us rising, revengeance
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Stux posted:the last of us rising, revengeance i could forgive any plot if tlou2 was half as fun as revengance
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Brother Entropy posted:i could forgive any plot if tlou2 was sympathy for lady vengeance starring abby
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I mean if Joel comes back as a cyborg ninja with a katana then I will probably actually buy this game.
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"Rules of Nature" blaring as your katana bisects a pregnant woman.
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FallenGod posted:"Rules of Nature" blaring as your katana bisects a pregnant woman. That's really more DmC.
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ImpAtom posted:It sounds like it's the opposite. Abby goes after Joel, Ellie goes for revenge, Abby goes for revenge for that, and then the ending is Ellie abandoning her loved ones and her life to chase Abby for more revengin'. leak spoilers i think(?) i read that ellie supposedly dies to abby in the end, and while they've portrayed it as a "oh my god what have i become" bit, it seems like abby's emphasis on more dakka puts her out ahead in the cycle of vengeance. Was that a fake leak? Really if joel had gone through and cleaned out the firefly's kindercare, the idea might be less "cycles of violence are messy and uncontrollable" and more "be thorough".
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