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Pelosi is what you'd expect and she gets the hate because of her visibility. Critics don't look at Pelosi in her true role, as the person who has to corral all the garbage we elected as Democrats, they look at her as the driving force that gives the garbage their opinions. People want Democratic leadership to have at least one spokesperson for making good things happen instead of just telling everyone why good things can't happen and really, you shouldn't want good things anyway, bad things are better. I doubt there's any Democrat that would do a better job as Speaker, but that's because we're limited by the people whose only distinguishable feature from Republicans is that they hate minorities a little less.
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It's always cute when right-wingers suddenly care about boring, routine police tactics as soon as they're turned on them.
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Apr 30, 2020 03:22
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relax-o-vision posted:So she impeached Trump, but she didn't impeach him hard enough? Keep on moving those goalposts. She didn't handle the situation in a competent manner, she dragged her feet as long as possible, then rushed it as quickly as possible, and of all the literally hundreds of impeachable offenses Trump committed, she tried to go after him for an offense that really only mattered to politicos like her. I am glad she did finally at least make a half-assed effort to impeach him- and said so repeatedly at the time. But the way the whole thing went down was just another nail in the coffin of her incompetence at being an actual leader during a time of great national turmoil. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Apr 30, 2020 03:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1255656645759246341  What do they think the purpose of any interview/interrogation of a primary subject is for? Either get them to admit to the crime or catch them in a lie about committing the crime.
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relax-o-vision posted:And BTW, I work in a grocery store. a perfidious rockefeller !
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Tis odd how not a single one of the Pelosi defenders has addressed the child concentration camp topic. They've simply ignored it to focus on something else, wonder why that is?
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Apr 30, 2020 03:35
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Prester Jane posted:She didn't handle the situation in a competent manner, she dragged her feet as long as possible, then rushed it as quickly as possible, and of all the literally hundreds of impeachable offenses Trump committed, she tried to go after him for an offense that really only mattered to politicos like her. I guess if you want something done right you have to do it yourself, so get yourself elected to the House of Representatives, work your way into the leadership of your party, and then get your party elected the majority and have yourself elected Speaker. Shouldn't be too hard.
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Wilbur Swain posted:I guess if you want something done right you have to do it yourself, so get yourself elected to the House of Representatives, work your way into the leadership of your party, and then get your party elected the majority and have yourself elected Speaker. Shouldn't be too hard. How about I hold my elected officials accountable for their actions while in office? I think it's more reasonable to replace a Nancy Pelosi (because she's enabling putting children in dog cages) then it is to insist that if a person wants actual leadership from their elected officials that they must get elected and fix all the problems themselves. I I think the idea of how a democracy is supposed to work is that when an elected leader is bad at their job, the voters discuss that and create social pressure/momentum to get that bad leader replaced with a hopefully good leader.
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Probably the reason that people don't have an excuse for all of the atrocities that exist in the United States is the United States is predicated on atrocities, it's atrocities all the way down, it's atrocities since its very foundation and before. So you start with the assumption that there will be atrocities, because there will be, and then you try to figure how many atrocities you could maybe make go away. But if your line is, no atrocities are going to be existing at all, then that represents a complete reevaluation of the lifestyle of every American and the role of the United States and even the existence of the United States, and frankly, that's a sacrifice most people are just not willing to make. And it's a position no politician will stand for. There isn't even a roadmap for how that would be realized. And the same thing would be true of the UK, and the same thing would be true of France, the same thing would be true with basically every country that people who post here live in.
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Apr 30, 2020 03:42
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Prester Jane posted:How about I hold my elected officials accountable for their actions while in office? I think it's more reasonable to replace a Nancy Pelosi (because she's enabling putting children in dog cages) then it is to insist that if a person wants actual leadership from their elected officials that they must get elected and fix all the problems themselves. You're an idealist living in a flawed world. Adjust your expectations or continue howling into the void.
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Pick posted:Probably the reason that people don't have an excuse for all of the atrocities that exist in the United States is the United States is predicated on atrocities, it's atrocities all the way down, it's atrocities since its very foundation and before. So you start with the assumption that there will be atrocities, because there will be, and then you try to figure how many atrocities you could maybe make go away. But if your line is, no atrocities are going to be existing at all, then that represents a complete reevaluation of the lifestyle of every American and the role of the United States and even the existence of the United States, and frankly, that's a sacrifice most people are just not willing to make. And it's a position no politician will stand for. There isn't even a roadmap for how that would be realized. And the same thing would be true of the UK, and the same thing would be true of France, the same thing would be true with basically every country that people who post here live in. gently caress this fatalist bullshit. there was a national level candidate who's core message included "atrocities are bad" like 6 loving months ago
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Apr 30, 2020 03:47
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Wilbur Swain posted:You're an idealist living in a flawed world. Adjust your expectations or continue howling into the void. Sorry, I'm not a coward, and I'm not a quitter, and I simply won't acquiesce to evil. I'm going to keep fighting against the child concentration camps until either the cancer closed or there is no breath left in my lungs. Those are the two options. I intend to keep fighting for a better world no matter how unlikely that world is to come about or what the personal cost to me is. It doesn't matter how slow the world is, the treat rest of who we are as human being is how we address this flawed world. I will never accept an evil like children in dog cages- if all I accomplished is howling into the void then I intend to howl until my teeth fall out of my gums. Because to my way of thinking that would be a far better way to use my limited time on this world then simply accepting the necessity of child concentration camps.
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Prester Jane posted:Sorry, I'm not a coward, and I'm not a quitter, and I won't acquiesce to evil. I'm going to keep fighting against the child concentration camps until either the cancer closed or there is no breath left in my lungs. Those are the two options. I think your greatest flaw is your assumption that others accept things you don't because they don't react the same way you do. Let me generalize that further by saying that your greatest flaw is your assumptions.
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Wilbur Swain posted:I think your greatest flaw is your assumption that others accept things you don't because they don't react the same way you do. Let me generalize that further by saying that your greatest flaw is your assumptions. All right then, please correct my assumptions. What is your attitude/reaction towards Nancy Pelosi's handling of the child concentration camp issue? Is it an issue that bad but not bad enough to warrant fighting to replace Pelosi? Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Apr 30, 2020 03:52
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I am genuinely curious: what do you think is the actual reason the Barack Obama did not close Guantánamo Bay?
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Apr 30, 2020 03:53
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Pick posted:I am genuinely curious: what do you think is the actual reason the Barack Obama did not close Guantánamo Bay? The Republicans blocked the wffort, but he could have and should have made a much bigger push to close Guantanamo Bay. One of Obama's biggest problems was that he was indeed feckless and unwilling to directly confront the evil of the Republican Party, and in so very many ways our entire culture is paying the price of that recklessness right now.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:^Eh, even that was weird and mealy-mouthed. She dragged her feet forever, then rushed it, so I don't know that she came off as strong leadership. I'm not going to craft out what the "best" option would have been for impeachment though, I'm really not sure any path would have mattered, but not doing it was a drag too. quote:I mean, we're back in the Hillary hellscape already for this election cycle. If you go to his website (which sucks, Jesus the layout is aggressively annoying, so link's here: https://joebiden.com/climate/) you can find some nice-enough promises. Not flipping around on greenhouse gases until 2050 probably leaves the planet hosed and it definitely shouldn't be our acceptable "goal." And in the past he's been really dismissive of environmental policy and making any small progress until 2030. So, it's more people trusting older Biden and his words more than his website and official platform. There's just not a lot of faith in them not immediately balking at "BUT OUR JOBS The problem with things getting worse under Biden, but much worse under Trump is that the next Democratic president isn’t going to have to be hugely ambitious about taking us forward - just clawing back some of the losses of the Trump years - and they likely don’t undo 8 years of Trump before they get replaced with a Republican.
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Pick posted:I am genuinely curious: what do you think is the actual reason the Barack Obama did not close Guantánamo Bay? mortal fear of being labeled a terrorist sympathizer
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Prester Jane posted:All right then, please correct my assumptions. What is your attitude/reaction towards Nancy Pelosi's handling of the child concentration camp issue? I abhor the internment of children. I will not vote for anyone who promotes such a policy. I do not live in Pelosi's district so I cannot vote against her. That is as much as I can realistically do to affect an outcome. What more do you do? Write words on the internet? I do the same.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:why go that far back, we've got a much more relevant example of something Obama did I don't know, he wanted to get some crafts in on his free time? I'm sure one was for his dog, and it just scaled out from there.
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Unoriginal Name posted:gently caress this fatalist bullshit. there was a national level candidate who's core message included "atrocities are bad" like 6 loving months ago If Bernie Sanders were actually elected president, he would do or say something, at some point, that you would regard as abhorrent. That's not a criticism of Bernie, it's just an observation of human nature. There has never been a politician who didn't fall short in some way, and there never will be. If that's what you're holding out for, you're going to be disappointed.
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relax-o-vision posted:If Bernie Sanders were actually elected president, he would do or say something, at some point, that you would regard as abhorrent. That's not a criticism of Bernie, it's just an observation of human nature. There has never been a politician who didn't fall short in some way, and there never will be. If that's what you're holding out for, you're going to be disappointed. just got back from the centrist rally and feelin that chant, eh?
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relax-o-vision posted:If Bernie Sanders were actually elected president, he would do or say something, at some point, that you would regard as abhorrent. That's not a criticism of Bernie, it's just an observation of human nature. There has never been a politician who didn't fall short in some way, and there never will be. If that's what you're holding out for, you're going to be disappointed. did you get anything in exchange for the shallow graves in the desert, beyond the ability to reassure yourself how pragmatic you were being for writing them off
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socialsecurity posted:I see this said a bunch without examples.
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"I think you will find Trump is actually great for the environment, what with the crashing economy and mass graves of dead. He is putting us on track to meet the Paris Accord numbers! Best President ever! I am going to go help more people realize his greatness(re: die) by canvassing for Trump because I have completely lost the loving plot and somehow think Pelosi is the real enemy here." My fiance has Crohns Disease and is in and out of the hospital on a regular basis. She will literally die under 4 more years of Trump. This isn't a loving game. This is life or death for a lot of people. I will hold my nose and vote for whoever I loving have to if it means keeping the woman I love and the people I care about alive. There isnt even a question there. People are loving dying now under this administration and I see supposed leftists on this site saying that "maybe 4 more years of Trump will make people vote for the socialist wunderkind". gently caress you if you think that. As of today I have buried 7 loving people in a months time. 7 people. 6 brilliant activists and my fiances grandmother. This didnt have to loving happen. If that orange turd wasnt in office, most of my friends might still be alive. My fiance's grandmother might still be alive. Just....loving hell, this thread frustrates me so goddamn much sometimes.
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evilweasel posted:pelosi is by far the best speaker in decades and anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about You all are doing a real piss poor job on the ole reading comprehension again. This is a fairly bland and objectively true statement. She is the best SPEAKER, as in, doing the job and role of the Speaker of the House, in decades. This is yes in part because the ones before ranged from trash to flaming garbage dumpsters of human life, but also because she is good at getting the elected Democratic Party representives to fall in line on issues. The fact that she is getting them to fall in line on bad issues, or that the GOP will on the regular add poison pills or put lovely pieces of legislation in more comprehensive packages does not in any way interact with the assesment of her ability as a Speaker. I say this as someone who is happily working to unseat her and replace her with Shahid Buttar, and is acutely aware of the fact that there is danger in that we don't have anyone who is tested enough for us to be sure she isn't replaced as Speaker by someone worse if she gets unseated. Or put more simply, no one is saying: Best Speaker != Best Person They are saying that by the general understood duties of the role in a realpolitk sense, she is the best at the role in decades. Now if you start adding all kinds of assumptions about what she should be doing, or whatever we consider the paragon of the job, you're just gonna go down a no true scotsmen road. Defending evilweasel is not where I expected to end up today, but yesh, this is a really annoying strawman that has made reading this thread more of a chore than usual. And no, its not because Prester is back before anyone quips that, y'all are doing such a bad job of it its making me come out of lurk mode to post. Please, for the common good, stop this disingenous poo poo, digest the posts and actually respond to what was said.
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friendbot2000 posted:I think you will find Trump is actually great for the environment, what with the crashing economy and mass graves of dead. He is putting us on track to meet the Paris Accord numbers! Best President ever! I am going to go help more people realize his greatness(re: die) by canvassing for Trump because I have completely lost the loving plot and somehow think Pelosi is the real enemy here. remember back when the Democratic Party's frontrunner for president said "nah, it's okay, go out in public, your death in a pandemic is a satisfactory trade for my power" much did not have to happen. but there are some truly monstrous people running scared, and scared people do foolish things, and one of the most foolish things they've done is taking one of the most precious luxuries of the average computer-touching liberal away from you. you don't even get to pretend the Dems give a poo poo if you live or die anymore.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1255656645759246341 quote:In the handwritten FBI notes, the note-taker, whose identity was not made clear in the document production, wrote that an alternate goal is to “get [Flynn] to admit breaking the Logan Act,” a reference to a 1799 law restricting communications between private citizens and foreign governments. quote:The law is widely viewed as unconstitutional and has never been used to successfully prosecute a single American citizen. quote:“We have a case on Flynn and Russians,” and “our goal is to resolve case.” Despite those claims of treasonous Russian collusion, Mueller found, after a sprawling, multi-year, multimillion-dollar investigation, that there was zero evidence of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government to steal the 2016 election from Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. quote:“I agreed yesterday that we shouldn’t show Flynn [REDACTED] if he didn’t admit,” the FBI author wrote. “I thought [about] it last night, [and] I believe we should rethink this.” *shrug* and the last BOMBSHELL note? quote:“If we’re seen as playing games, [the White House] will be furious,” the author wrote. “Protect our institution by not playing games.”
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friendbot2000 posted:"I think you will find Trump is actually great for the environment, what with the crashing economy and mass graves of dead. He is putting us on track to meet the Paris Accord numbers! Best President ever! I am going to go help more people realize his greatness(re: die) by canvassing for Trump because I have completely lost the loving plot and somehow think Pelosi is the real enemy here." I'm so sorry. I lost my father to coronavirus. I know how much it hurts. Send my best wishes to your fiancee.
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friendbot2000 posted:This didnt have to loving happen. If that orange turd wasnt in office, most of my friends might still be alive. My fiance's grandmother might still be alive. Just....loving hell, this thread frustrates me so goddamn much sometimes. Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. Not to down-play your own real problems, just saying that what works for you isn't a universal solution. People largely aren't rooting against Biden for laughs.
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Pick posted:I am genuinely curious: what do you think is the actual reason the Barack Obama did not close Guantánamo Bay? I think he didn't care very much about people who weren't going to vote for him. Let innocent people get tortured, raped, and killed, occasionally released into random countries to live short broken lives before burning down a circuit city. It's not like he had any friends in Guantanamo.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist.
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Wilbur Swain posted:I abhor the internment of children. I will not vote for anyone who promotes such a policy. I do not live in Pelosi's district so I cannot vote against her. That is as much as I can realistically do to affect an outcome. What more do you do? Write words on the internet? I do the same. You could apply pressure on your elected representatives to replace Pelosi as Speaker. You could try to create social momentum for holding Nancy Pelosi accountable for her enabling of child concentration camps. You could not simply shrug your shoulders at the leader of the democratic party enabling child concentration camps and say "what can I personally do about it". The moment you embrace that nohilistic attitude you've acquiesced to evil in my opinion.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump followed by the possibility of a leftist. No one here chose Biden but it is an objective truth that far more people will be better off if he becomes President than if Donald Trump gets a second term. Oh, and by the way--should Trump get a second term, you will most definitely not get your leftist paradise four years later, because there won't BE an America four years later. If you don't see this, I really don't know what to tell you. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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PerniciousKnid posted:Maybe if you think about all the people who feel this way about their friends and family who will suffer or die because Joe Biden is in office, you'll be able to accept why they would prefer Trump Wait, you somehow believe that those people would fare better under Trump, than under Biden? Can you give some specific examples?
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Crows Turn Off posted:Who would die under Biden that wouldn't die under Trump? Vote for Biden! What've you got to lose? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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relax-o-vision posted:If Bernie Sanders were actually elected president, he would do or say something, at some point, that you would regard as abhorrent. That's not a criticism of Bernie, it's just an observation of human nature. There has never been a politician who didn't fall short in some way, and there never will be. If that's what you're holding out for, you're going to be disappointed. Somehow I feel that tens of thousands of children being held in literal dog cages is on a whole different plane than a (hypothetical) statement from a politician I admire that I find to be personally abhorrent. I would further argue that the way you're equivocating on this is exactly the psychological mechanism that people used to justify going along with child concentration. Wanting to replace a leader who has enabled child concentration camps is not some immature purity test. I cannot properly express the disgust I feel towards that sentiment.
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