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Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

And this ran on MSNBC

https://twitter.com/ibrahimpols/status/1255683581399183360?s=20

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Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


RasperFat posted:

They’re not going to come out and say “it’s time to radicalize everyone burn this motherfucker down”. They’re PMC academics. They have working relationships with fossil fuel corrupted lovely politicians.

No, they don't have working relationship fossil fuel companies. Colleges are even declining O&G Money. The only potential bias might the billions of funding Bill Gates has put into many climate research organizations but then again it's a donation. And they'd be biased against them!

Doctor Jeep posted:

that's because they don't know poo poo about politics

Not true, Micheal Mann has testified in front of congress. Leah Stokes has a Phd. in political science and studies environmental policy. Let's see what she said in a recent interview in E&E News - Leah Stokes on climate denial, Green New Deal, Joe Biden

quote:

You supported Elizabeth Warren during the primary. How would you describe Joe Biden's climate plan?

Well, it's the best climate plan in the Democratic primary right now because he's the winner of the Democratic primary. So we can always push the Democratic Party to be better on climate. And I think we should do that right now. I think that there are conversations happening with Joe. Well, I know that there are conversations happening with the Joe Biden campaign. That makes me feel very hopeful. I don't think that the Joe Biden campaign was very focused on fleshing out ideas during the primary. That wasn't the kind of campaign they were running. And that's a legitimate choice. What I'm really concerned about is if and when they form government, what's going to be on the agenda? And I think that [green] groups should be helping to strengthen the commitment within the Joe Biden campaign.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?



Biden's going to have to address the allegations himself now. I don't see this story going away by simply being ignored or dismissed.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Scientist Al Gore posted:

Biden's going to have to address the allegations himself now. I don't see this story going away by simply being ignored or dismissed.

I really look forward to this bumbling idiot giving some meandering speech on this that does nothing to help him lol

Solanumai
Mar 26, 2006

It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!

Scientist Al Gore posted:


Not true, Micheal Mann has testified in front of congress. Leah Stokes has a Phd. in political science and studies environmental policy. Let's see what she said in a recent interview in E&E News - Leah Stokes on climate denial, Green New Deal, Joe Biden

I like how your bolded quote is just the normal liberal resignation we're all making fun of.

"His plan is the best because it's all we have left" is the most sad-rear end "I can't criticize him because A VOTE FOR ANYONE ELSE IS A VOTE FOR TRUMP" endorsement. Glad we can trust these people to shepherd us away from a boiling hellhole!

e: imagine if during the primary process we actually vetted candidates and challenged them to be better instead of making excuses for their flaws in some desperate attempt to prop them up as "electable" because we're afraid of the Trumpers holding us to our criticisms. Can't go on record with anything too harsh or it'll get turned into a soundbite! the horror.

Solanumai fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Apr 30, 2020

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

oh my god chris hayes is so old

i'm old

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1255706237511090177?s=20

Now that the Dem Primary is effectively over the feeding frenzy is beginning. I thought they might be able to hold out a little longer but I guess they got tired of watching Fox have all the fun. I wonder which will be the first to pull the trigger and invite Reade on?

Raskolnikov38 posted:

oh my god chris hayes is so old

i'm old

I know the feeling, friend. I've wasted my life.

COVID-19
Mar 2, 2020

by Cyrano4747

quote:

Well, it's the best climate plan in the Democratic primary right now because he's the winner of the Democratic primary. So we can always push the Democratic Party to be better on climate.

This is the most pathetic endorsement ever. Holy gently caress. I’ve never been less excited to vote for Biden the rapist.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Somfin posted:

Theorycrafting about whether or not Trump is a better option on a given issue isn't the same thing as trying to get Trump elected, and talking about how a rapist shouldn't be president is 100% not trying to get Trump elected for reasons that should be super obvious. If staying out of the presidential vote means that we're helping Trump then I'm sorry, you need to understand, if, overnight by a miracle, the Republican party threw out all of its current members, overhauled its views and platforms, and became the intersectional feminist workers' utopian party of cyber-Marxism, we'd probably support them. Democrats don't get lefty votes by for free, they have to earn them. The Democrats and Republicans as they stand have far more in common than the Democrats and the actual left, and the selection of a pro-business right-wing rapist for the Democrats has only solidified this similarity.

There's more than just theory crafting being discussed. If Republican Party essentially became a completely different party maybe I'd vote for them too!

Sure, I get that you feel that Democrats didn't work for your vote and no one wants to vote for someone because they're not as bad as the other guy. Just don't tell me that Trump and Biden are the same or that somehow throwing the election to Trump or abstaining from voting is going to do any good.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


punishedkissinger posted:

I really look forward to this bumbling idiot giving some meandering speech on this that does nothing to help him lol

Yea, I am not going to be watching his response I'll just read a summary. Or better yet I won't have to, he'll have resigned and we will do another primary during quarantine!

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Disnesquick posted:

If you've read my posts and assumed I'm claiming the Democratic party are allies then you are very seriously mistaken. I've explicitly stated that Biden needs to lose for the left to make progress.

i don't particularly have patience for scolding that basically boils down to "we live in a society"

how nuanced a thinly veiled "im tortured by the decision to vote blue no matter who in november" is largely irrelevant to people who are done with the hostage taking

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Don't read the comments on that NPR article
Liberals are loving scum.

Popy
Feb 19, 2008

maybe im super blackpilled at this point but i believe while Capitalism dictates policy fighting climate change is impossible home or abroad.


Right now the goal for Socialism is making sure the rich elite suffer with the rest of us when this planet turns to poo poo. Bernie for a million other loving reasons was the only fuckin option.


Capitalism will kill us all.

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Popy posted:

maybe im super blackpilled at this point but i believe while Capitalism dictates policy fighting climate change is impossible home or abroad.


Right now the goal for Socialism is making sure the rich elite suffer with the rest of us when this planet turns to poo poo. Bernie for a million other loving reasons was the only fuckin option.


Capitalism will kill us all.

This is 100% correct. The argument over whether Biden would be better than Trump is absurd. It's arguing that the good cop is nicer to you than the bad cop.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Popy posted:

maybe im super blackpilled at this point but i believe while Capitalism dictates policy fighting climate change is impossible home or abroad.


Right now the goal for Socialism is making sure the rich elite suffer with the rest of us when this planet turns to poo poo. Bernie for a million other loving reasons was the only fuckin option.


Capitalism will kill us all.

Just as well the rich elite are making it a lot easier to make them suffer since they can't get the gently caress off Twitter

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1255643878117572609?s=20

Rose McGowan gets it. gently caress these people.

punishedkissinger posted:

Don't read the comments on that NPR article
Liberals are loving scum.

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1255704167970209792?s=20

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.


She's been making me extremely uncomfortable lately with her good takes. I don't trust her heel-face turn.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Falstaff posted:

She's been making me extremely uncomfortable lately with her good takes. I don't trust her heel-face turn.

When the shoes on your head it's not too much distance between heel and face

3rdEyeDeuteranopia
Sep 12, 2007

Why do people believe that a complete rejection of nuclear power can be a part of fighting climate change?

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Falstaff posted:

She's been making me extremely uncomfortable lately with her good takes. I don't trust her heel-face turn.

You shouldn't. It's transparent grifting.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:

Why do people believe that a complete rejection of nuclear power can be a part of fighting climate change?

Electricity is akin to magic, you see,

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Falstaff posted:

She's been making me extremely uncomfortable lately with her good takes. I don't trust her heel-face turn.

I have no idea who she is. What dumb poo poo did she do?

3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:

Why do people believe that a complete rejection of nuclear power can be a part of fighting climate change?

Let me tell you about a funny little incident called Three Mile Island that made sure environmentalists would be waging war on nuclear power forever

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Wicked Them Beats posted:

I have no idea who she is. What dumb poo poo did she do?

She made a name for herself as an Alt-Lite anti-SJW Youtube politics/culture commentator, essentially part of the chud pipeline. I think she changed her tune a little while before the election season started last year? Maybe a little after. If it's genuine, great - but I'm suspicious this all culminates in her going, "See leftists, this is why you need to join the Alt-Right" or whatever.

Or, perhaps more likely, she's decided that Alt-Lite isn't paying enough anymore and is now just grifting the left, like Ague Proof said.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


I thought the allegation was Biden assaulted her, not raped her. I only bring this up because while both are bad, Trump has been accused by over 23 women (including a teenager the same age as his daughter)! Of raping. Not assaulting.

I’m also curious if anyone in this thread who won’t vote for Biden did vote for Nader in 2000? If this isn’t appropriate I’ll edit the post mods.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
Biden's made huge progress by running but not campaigning. You know what's even stronger than that? Not appearing at all until just before the end, then swooping in to save the party from the rapist.

Hillary / Bloomberg 2020

E:

LionArcher posted:

while both are bad, Trump

this is where I stopped reading your post. Who actually gives a gently caress how much worse Trump is?

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

LionArcher posted:

I’m also curious if anyone in this thread...........................? If this isn’t appropriate I’ll edit the post mods.

It's loving inane, is what it is. It's an even stupider endless circular argument than the ones this thread usually goes through. Let's not go there.

Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Apr 30, 2020

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.


Unwanted penetration is rape.

Biden raped her.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Joe Biden must be utterly and completely defeated in November.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

LionArcher posted:

I thought the allegation was Biden assaulted her, not raped her. I only bring this up because while both are bad, Trump has been accused by over 23 women (including a teenager the same age as his daughter)! Of raping. Not assaulting.

I’m also curious if anyone in this thread who won’t vote for Biden did vote for Nader in 2000? If this isn’t appropriate I’ll edit the post mods.

"it was only sexual assault! besides, someone else did something worse!"

amazing avenue of defense, A+

e: honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? just lay it out.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

LionArcher posted:

I thought the allegation was Biden assaulted her, not raped her. I only bring this up because while both are bad, Trump has been accused by over 23 women (including a teenager the same age as his daughter)! Of raping. Not assaulting.

I’m also curious if anyone in this thread who won’t vote for Biden did vote for Nader in 2000? If this isn’t appropriate I’ll edit the post mods.

Fantastic post!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Phone posted:

"it was only sexual assault! besides, someone else did something worse!"

amazing avenue of defense, A+

e: honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? just lay it out.

First, I am both slightly high and two drinks in right now. So I’m not even trying to make some sort of accomplishment right now, other than to ask questions.

Second, I was legitimately curious.My understanding was there was a difference between the two (assault VS rape) and yes, this does go back to the less lovely of the two conundrum. Obviously both are bad. I’m not trying to justify anything.

Someone in another thread recently posted of all the positives that Biden being president would bring. I’m not going to copy and paste, but put several highlights. He’s better on civil rights, climate change, and the courts. These things matter to me. They matter to everyone I know. Is Biden as good as Bernie? Of course not.

I’m someone who has always voted left, and this thread helped pull me from wanting to support Harris, to me liking Warren, to me supporting Bernie. Biden wasn’t on my list. But it’s not about my preferences. It’s about what is actually better for the country. Sticking to principles is important. But if your morals make you refuse to compromise, and end up directly or indirectly leading to a lot more people suffering, is that acceptable and actually righteous?

That’s why I brought up Nader. A lot of people refused to vote for Gore, because of their principles, and I know a few who regret it more than just about anything in their lives.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008


Huh, I knew her brother.

He yelled at me a lot :(

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

LionArcher posted:

First, I am both slightly high and two drinks in right now. So I’m not even trying to make some sort of accomplishment right now, other than to ask questions.

Second, I was legitimately curious.My understanding was there was a difference between the two (assault VS rape) and yes, this does go back to the less lovely of the two conundrum. Obviously both are bad. I’m not trying to justify anything.

Someone in another thread recently posted of all the positives that Biden being president would bring. I’m not going to copy and paste, but put several highlights. He’s better on civil rights, climate change, and the courts. These things matter to me. They matter to everyone I know. Is Biden as good as Bernie? Of course not.

I’m someone who has always voted left, and this thread helped pull me from wanting to support Harris, to me liking Warren, to me supporting Bernie. Biden wasn’t on my list. But it’s not about my preferences. It’s about what is actually better for the country. Sticking to principles is important. But if your morals make you refuse to compromise, and end up directly or indirectly leading to a lot more people suffering, is that acceptable and actually righteous?

That’s why I brought up Nader. A lot of people refused to vote for Gore, because of their principles, and I know a few who regret it more than just about anything in their lives.

you're not supposed to give up the game that you're a JAQ off, even if you're two sheets to the wind. also, you weren't legitimately curious; stop with the facade.

every single line of this is more disingenuous than the previous.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

LionArcher posted:

Sticking to principles is important. But if your morals make you refuse to compromise, and end up directly or indirectly leading to a lot more people suffering, is that acceptable and actually righteous?

That’s why I brought up Nader. A lot of people refused to vote for Gore, because of their principles, and I know a few who regret it more than just about anything in their lives.

You quite clearly don't have enough understanding of what morality is to deal with the questions you're asking

Carew
Jun 22, 2006

LionArcher posted:

I only bring this up because while both are bad, Trump has been accused by over 23 women (including a teenager the same age as his daughter)! Of raping. Not assaulting.


The Rape Contest

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Carew posted:

The Rape Contest

As a woman, I feel confident in saying I would rather a man have put his finger in my vagina one time, briefly, than have put his penis in my vagina. As a vagina-possessor I will submit my input for the relative scale of "invasion of my vagina", since you have submitted it.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
what in the gently caress is happening

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

LionArcher posted:

First, I am both slightly high and two drinks in right now. So I’m not even trying to make some sort of accomplishment right now, other than to ask questions.

Second, I was legitimately curious.My understanding was there was a difference between the two (assault VS rape) and yes, this does go back to the less lovely of the two conundrum. Obviously both are bad. I’m not trying to justify anything.

Someone in another thread recently posted of all the positives that Biden being president would bring. I’m not going to copy and paste, but put several highlights. He’s better on civil rights, climate change, and the courts. These things matter to me. They matter to everyone I know. Is Biden as good as Bernie? Of course not.

I’m someone who has always voted left, and this thread helped pull me from wanting to support Harris, to me liking Warren, to me supporting Bernie. Biden wasn’t on my list. But it’s not about my preferences. It’s about what is actually better for the country. Sticking to principles is important. But if your morals make you refuse to compromise, and end up directly or indirectly leading to a lot more people suffering, is that acceptable and actually righteous?

That’s why I brought up Nader. A lot of people refused to vote for Gore, because of their principles, and I know a few who regret it more than just about anything in their lives.

this entire discussion can be had in a single question.

do you believe "when you're famous, you can grab them by the pussy, you can do anything" is wrong because it is an incorrect, monstrous statement that reveals the speaker is someone who should never be trusted with any power whatsoever, or do you merely take issue with the word choice.

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papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

Pick posted:

As a woman, I feel confident in saying I would rather a man have put his finger in my vagina one time, briefly, than have put his penis in my vagina. As a vagina-possessor I will submit my input for the relative scale of "invasion of my vagina", since you have submitted it.

You have a bird brain to think rape is uniquely about gender.

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Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Raskolnikov38 posted:

what in the gently caress is happening

the liberal version of

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