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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 42 minutes!

Pick posted:

Will you walk back your stance if it is shown or indicated that women have essentially "priced in" the expectation of some sort of allegation against Biden?

Sure! Have you got any such evidence?

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Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

Jack2142 posted:

Look some of you want the revolution, I JUST WANT TO SEE DEMENTIA BOWL 2020 from my quarantine bunker.

These aren't mutually exclusive. The revolution could easily erect a thunderdome to put underwhelming old men in.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Raskolnikov38 posted:

look just admit you only care about getting trump out of office. that’s it. all this other stuff you argue is pure window dressing

look just admit you only care about getting your own guy in office. that's it. all this other stuff you argue is pure window dressing

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

enraged_camel posted:

ah yes, because he has not gotten down on all fours and crawled all the way to the ICC and begged for forgiveness, that means he has not reformed at all

makes total sense. it really is an argument a normal person would make. yes sir.

he hasn’t done anything else to show it and submitting himself to the ICC is a power move

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 42 minutes!

enraged_camel posted:

ah yes, because he has not gotten down on all fours and crawled all the way to the ICC and begged for forgiveness, that means he has not reformed at all

makes total sense. it really is an argument a normal person would make. yes sir.

His foreign policy views have not become any less hawkish over the years.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

enraged_camel posted:

look just admit you only care about getting your own guy in office. that's it. all this other stuff you argue is pure window dressing

Donald Trump is already your president.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Ershalim posted:

These aren't mutually exclusive. The revolution could easily erect a thunderdome to put underwhelming old men in.

But I don't want the poors to watch the PPV main event.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

enraged_camel posted:

look just admit you only care about getting your own guy in office. that's it. all this other stuff you argue is pure window dressing

actually I’m all about getting the greens over 5% to start building parties that actually stand for something

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Majorian posted:

Sure! Have you got any such evidence?

I'm going to wait for polling that is post-permeation of this new story. As a woman who talks to a lot of other women, I think I have a sense of what I expect to see happen, but I don't know yet and they don't know yet. It's a fair gamble for the two of us.

Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

Jack2142 posted:

But I don't want the poors to watch the PPV main event.

Wow. Well someone's not invited to the knitting and sectarian violence circle.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

actually I’m all about getting the greens over 5% to start building parties that actually stand for something

I honestly think the problem is that the parties do stand for things that represent the will of the people, it's just that those things are poo poo. Profits for rich people, ignorance for all who want it, and racism and homophobia for all

Ershalim fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Apr 30, 2020

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Raskolnikov38 posted:

what wars did trump start

Well he’s sure tried on twitter. And also the whole 61,000 dead thing under his watch.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Majorian posted:

His foreign policy views have not become any less hawkish over the years.

That's quite interesting, seeing as to how he was part of the Obama administration that painstakingly negotiated and signed the nuclear agreement with Iran.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Obama's legacy is entirely erased.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Ershalim posted:

Wow. Well someone's not invited to the knitting and sectarian violence circle.

Knitting is just Crochet for dirty succ dems actually.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

enraged_camel posted:

That's quite interesting, seeing as to how he was part of the Obama administration that painstakingly negotiated and signed the nuclear agreement with Iran.

someone please find this person’s posts calling anyone that opposed the russian sanctions a KGB asset, it’ll be really funny

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Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(

Jack2142 posted:

Look some of you want the revolution, I JUST WANT TO SEE DEMENTIA BOWL 2020 from my quarantine bunker.

I'd say let Trump and Biden have a loving MGS4 duel on top of a submarine and see if that helps anything, but given how 2020 is shaping up so far it'd just end with both of them in the hospital (but not dead, and still tweeting things that get hundreds/thousands/millions of people killed), and the GE would end up being between their respective failsons somehow

Or like, an undead Kim Jong Un and time-travelling Hitler. I haven't quite entirely lost my grip on reality, but cause and effect are becoming so muddled as concepts now that I'm not willing to rule it out just yet

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

enraged_camel posted:



This is quite disingenuous, because given the circumstances (i.e. literally hundreds/thousands of children walking unaccompanied across the US-Mexico border), the Obama/Biden administration did the best they could, with the resources that were made available to them by Congress.


I think you're misinterpreting my remarks meant for Nancy Pelosi as being meant for Joe Biden.The leadership figure I was arguing to be replaced because they enabled child concentration camps was Nancy Pelosi.

And while something absolutely needed to be done during the. Of hundreds and thousands of children walking unaccompanied across the Mexico border, the conditions in those facilities were deliberately brutal and dehumanizing. This was a major contention point amongst immigration activist at the time- the facilities were intentionally brutal and the conditions were intentionally dehumanizing and it was meant to send a message.

here is a 2015 article written by the ACLU about what Obama was doing to migrant children: President Obama and Texas Are Colluding to Detain Refugee Children in Private Prisons

quote:

Beginning in the summer of 2014, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement ramped up its incarceration of refugee families seeking asylum, contracting with private prison companies to build massive detention centers to contain them.

These tired, poor, and huddled masses yearned to breathe free and found that they could not. Instead, they were shepherded through freezing, overcrowded holding cells with inadequate facilities, nutrition, and medical care, then transferred to private prisons in Dilley and Karnes — towns south of San Antonio — where they are locked up in compounds that resemble internment camps.

And despite their very credible fear that deportation was tantamount to a death sentence, many of these mothers and children were denied access to attorneys. Some of the women went on a hunger strike to protest their inhumane treatment — and the children continue to suffer from poor health, weight loss, diarrhea, bed-wetting, and nightmares as a result of their incarceration.

It appalls me that such injustices can happen in America.

It also appalled Dolly M. Gee, the federal district court judge who ruled last July that the Obama administration’s incarceration of children and their mothers violated a long-standing settlement agreement from a case known as Flores. Judge Gee decried the Department of Homeland Security’s “dubious” attempts to circumvent Flores and found that DHS “wholly failed” to ensure that detention facilities were “safe and sanitary.”

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

enraged_camel posted:

That's quite interesting, seeing as to how he was part of the Obama administration that painstakingly negotiated and signed the nuclear agreement with Iran.

please pay no attention to yemen, honduras, egypt, and libya

funniest part of the yemen story is that he gave the Saudis free reign to murder the lot of them in exchange for that Iran deal, a massive surge in human suffering that turned to have been exchanged for absolutely nothing

relax-o-vision
Feb 21, 2007

Raskolnikov38 posted:

look just admit you only care about getting trump out of office. that’s it. all this other stuff you argue is pure window dressing

Of course I only care about getting Trump out of office. Trump is a monster. How on earth do you think this is a burn?

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Shady Amish Terror posted:

I'd say let Trump and Biden have a loving MGS4 duel on top of a submarine and see if that helps anything, but given how 2020 is shaping up so far it'd just end with both of them in the hospital (but not dead, and still tweeting things that get hundreds/thousands/millions of people killed), and the GE would end up being between their respective failsons somehow

Or like, an undead Kim Jong Un and time-travelling Hitler. I haven't quite entirely lost my grip on reality, but cause and effect are becoming so muddled as concepts now that I'm not willing to rule it out just yet

Honestly I want to see if Hunter Biden would win a knife fight against Donny Jr. and Eric, I know Game of Thrones shat the bed, but lets to a trial by combat for the presidency by failson proxy.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

please pay no attention to yemen, honduras, egypt, and libya

funniest part of the yemen story is that he gave the Saudis free reign to murder the lot of them in exchange for that Iran deal, a massive surge in human suffering that turned to have been exchanged for absolutely nothing

Wrong, we got lots of cool live leak video footage.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Raskolnikov38 posted:

someone please find this person’s posts calling anyone that opposed the russian sanctions a KGB asset, it’ll be really funny

Hahaha, that's your response? Come on, it's quite pathetic, even for you.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

enraged_camel posted:


"Alleged" rapist.

It is quite literally incredible how quickly you tankies are willing to accept right-wing propaganda simply because your guy got crushed.

believe women

no no no not that one

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

relax-o-vision posted:

Of course I only care about getting Trump out of office. Trump is a monster. How on earth do you think this is a burn?

so the issues are window dressing? immigration, health care, foreign policy? none of it matters while trump exists?

Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

funniest part of the yemen story is that he gave the Saudis free reign to murder the lot of them in exchange for what turned out to be literally loving nothing

Turns out that relying US is kinda bad for your people, generally. See also: Turkey wrt Kurds, our allies in Vietnam, ... hell gently caress it, pick a nation, hit a warcrime.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

relax-o-vision posted:

Of course I only care about getting Trump out of office. Trump is a monster. How on earth do you think this is a burn?

because you will turn around and support all of Trump's policies the second democrats sign off on them, op.

as a fun example of this, what was you four years ago's stance on "should I vote for someone who has signed off on concentration camps for children," what is your stance now, and what brought about the change.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

enraged_camel posted:

Hahaha, that's your response? Come on, it's quite pathetic, even for you.

yeah I’m sure you gave a poo poo about the Iranian deal when democrats nuked it to not even score an own on trump

Unoriginal Name
Aug 1, 2006

by sebmojo

enraged_camel posted:

"Alleged" rapist. Unless, of course, you believe in guilt before actual proof?


"Alleged" rapist.

It is quite literally incredible how quickly you tankies are willing to accept right-wing propaganda simply because your guy got crushed.

hey, quick question, do you have proof that Trump raped anyone tia


also kindly go suck on a running exhaust pipe til you dont wake up you worthless excuse for loving hhuman being

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Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

please pay no attention to yemen, honduras, egypt, and libya

funniest part of the yemen story is that he gave the Saudis free reign to murder the lot of them in exchange for that Iran deal, a massive surge in human suffering that turned to have been exchanged for absolutely nothing

It is quite funny you bring up Saudis, since Trump has been sucking their dicks real hard for the past three and a half years, and has gone to great lengths to ingratiate himself with them, to the point where he abruptly and without justification pulled out of the Iran deal and unilaterally and without provocation assassinated a top Iranian general, bringing us to the brink of war.

But yes, let's talk about how hawkish Joe Biden was back in the day!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

enraged_camel posted:

It is quite funny you bring up Saudis, since Trump has been sucking their dicks real hard for the past three and a half years, and has gone to great lengths to ingratiate himself with them, to the point where he abruptly and without justification pulled out of the Iran deal and unilaterally and without provocation assassinated a top Iranian general, bringing us to the brink of war.

But yes, let's talk about how hawkish Joe Biden was back in the day!

lol trump didn’t kill the deal, the democrats did when they decided to sacrifice it on the altar of the russia sanctions

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
and then trump refused to enforce the sanctions anyway lmao

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Raskolnikov38 posted:

yeah I’m sure you gave a poo poo about the Iranian deal when democrats nuked it to not even score an own on trump

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol trump didn’t kill the deal, the democrats did when they decided to sacrifice it on the altar of the russia sanctions

roflmao, come the gently caress on dude

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

enraged_camel posted:

It is quite funny you bring up Saudis, since Trump has been sucking their dicks real hard for the past three and a half years, and has gone to great lengths to ingratiate himself with them, to the point where he abruptly and without justification pulled out of the Iran deal and unilaterally and without provocation assassinated a top Iranian general, bringing us to the brink of war.

But yes, let's talk about how hawkish Joe Biden was back in the day!

Political assassinations are cool and good, Trotsky deserved the icepick.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 42 minutes!

enraged_camel posted:

That's quite interesting, seeing as to how he was part of the Obama administration that painstakingly negotiated and signed the nuclear agreement with Iran.

Wow, he supported a nuclear deal? Amazing! I can't think of anyone in U.S. history who supported nuclear deals and was otherwise a massive hawk.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

enraged_camel posted:

roflmao, come the gently caress on dude

yeah I’m sure breaking the deal had absolutely no impact on the recertification drama and didn’t make Iran more belligerent

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Prester Jane posted:

believe women

no no no not that one

You should, absolutely, start from a position of taking women's accusations seriously and investigating!

So far, however, there is no conclusive evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade. Is there? You tell me.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Pretty much impossible for Joe Biden to re-pursue an Iran deal if he's going to certify Jerusalem.

Unoriginal Name
Aug 1, 2006

by sebmojo

enraged_camel posted:

You should, absolutely, start from a position of taking women's accusations seriously and investigating!

So far, however, there is no conclusive evidence that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade. Is there? You tell me.

They should, but not you, apparently

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde
Well it depends on the definition of the word rape. In illinois rape is defined as

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Delthalaz posted:

Well it depends on the definition of the word rape. In illinois rape is defined as

Butt stuff?

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PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Joe Biden's stated healthcare plan is expanded Medicaid, expanded Medicare, and a public option that is technically Medicare For All in the sense that it is literally structured after Medicare's implementation and means-tested premiums. Donald Trump's healthcare plan is "repeal the ACA, let everyone with preexisting conditions / receiving expanded Medicaid / receiving subsidies die".

Joe Biden's stated climate plan is carbon neutral by 2050. Donald Trump's climate plan is carbon neutral when all oxygen-breathing life on the planet is dead.

Joe Biden's stated immigration plan is to put immigrant families in communities that share their language and provide them with case agents, lawyers, and holistic and community support. Donald Trump's immigration plan is to put immigrant families in cages where they will contract covid19 and die.

The rebuttal which people are already at this moment rearing up to post is that Joe Biden won't try to fulfill his platform, or will try halfheartedly and fail, or even if he succeeds it's not good enough, or even if he succeeds it will lead to Richard Spencer 2024 and the end of the world. And you know, they have a point in some of that. But you asked for a difference, and if he succeeds in literally any of that, never mind the pile of other planks if you Check His Website, that's actual positives vs Not Being Trump.

This effectively means Biden and Trump have the same climate plan, for the record. Joe's immigration plan is basically the same as Trump's, which is the same as the decades-old neoliberal consensus, except for the photo-unfriendly aspect of putting literal children in literal cages. I'm sure Joe will let kids crash on a nice couch for a few months before sending them to die at the hands of Central American drug gangs. It's a plan that is less outwardly cruel, because the cruelty is being laundered in a conventional way.

The only thing Biden proposes that I see having a chance at real material difference is the Public Option. I'm a bit skeptical, given that he has bent over backwards to protest "socialist malarky" and assure capitalists that nothing will fundamentally change. But if he gets elected that's the thing I'll be most hopeful for. I don't expect much.

Ultimately, my electoral votes will go to Trump regardless of anything I do. My vote will be a symbolic show of support for a candidate. So, I'm not going to support Joe Crime Bill NAFTA Oil-Digging Citibank-Senator Woman-assaulting Biden. I understand why some swing-state residents might feel like he's worth voting for. I don't really understand why red/blue state leftists would vote for him, but I'm not your Dad so I guess it's your choice.

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