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Mulaney Power Move posted:A small percentage of UFO cases are inexplicable and really cool to think about, especially some of these recent things released by the Pentagon. The problem is when you make the jump straight to aliens over cases or phenomena that have been thoroughly debunked, such as crop circles. Yeah just because there is provably some Weird poo poo going on doesn't mean people are getting probed. It doesn't even mean it's aliens - IF someone had invented a wacky reactionless drive or whatever the gently caress is happening in those guncam videos, "aliens" would be a great excuse to keep it secret, and it's plausible that even fairly high up people in the military would have no clue it existed. Of course, before people jump to "well it must be a secret drone then, case solved!" keep in mind that technology on that level would be far enough beyond current state of the art as to be almost as important as aliens.
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McSpanky posted:Sure, why not? Aliens are fae, flying saucers are post-industrial will-o'-the-wisps and crop circles are modern-day fairy rings. They probe butts because these days we're sexually insecure and symbolically stealing our fragile hetero masculinity is hilarious. 
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Apr 29, 2020 17:25
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First contact with space MAGA* rednecks from bumblefuck, Andromeda sounds like a rad way to go. They'd probably blow a few extra craters on the moon before drunkenly crashing it on the earth for giggles. *Make Aliens Great Again
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Apr 29, 2020 17:33
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Colonel Cancer posted:I'm with you on that, but I don't think anyone could meaningfully restrict access to radio in such an advanced society. Sure there may be other ways to easily communicate at long distance but at that point we are heading straight into magical territory of FTL travel and teleportation. I get your point, but I wouldn't expect anything over the radio soon due to the distances involved. Their planet is probably hundreds of light-years away. If they have some kind of local science rear end probing expedition in our solar system I think they can keep enough discipline to not reveal themselves. That's something even we can manage to do on scientific expeditions today. If they came here using known physics then they are just as cut off from their home as we are and any radio message would take hundreds of years. If they have some magic ftl technology then they have probably restricted its use enough to not have random idiots show up here.
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Apr 29, 2020 17:33
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You know it's interesting that since like 2016 or 2017, the same three loving videos keep getting "released" by the military. Like, ok, why do we keep running PENTAGON/NAVY/YOUR MOM ACKNOWLEDGES UFO EXISTENCE AND RELEASES NEW VIDEOS when it's clearly the same goddamned videos as always? Are people's attention spans really that short? (The answer is of course yes)
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Apr 29, 2020 17:35
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governments like the uk, france, russia, etc already acknowledged unexplained ufo poo poo but the usa would always claim "oh its a weather balloon" or "just training flares" until recently so people are tripping out i guess
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Apr 29, 2020 17:44
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GABA ghoul posted:I get your point, but I wouldn't expect anything over the radio soon due to the distances involved. Their planet is probably hundreds of light-years away. If they have some kind of local science rear end probing expedition in our solar system I think they can keep enough discipline to not reveal themselves. That's something even we can manage to do on scientific expeditions today. I think a society that's that disciplined is a lot more outlandish than space aliens to me. Even the separated tribes on Earth like, again, Sentinelese, would have had secondary contact just coming across random trash washing up on shore, seeing planes and drones that have been used to observe them. Even if you assume that the alien ships are few in number and have enough discipline on board so bored Ensign Greenbutt just doesn't send down a random radio message to gently caress with hoomans, it begs the question of why are they there in person anyways? If they just wanted to observe it wouldn't be hard to do it without buzzing around the atmosphere and getting caught on camera, or probing butts.
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Apr 29, 2020 17:52
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Colonel Cancer posted:I think a society that's that disciplined is a lot more outlandish than space aliens to me. Even the separated tribes on Earth like, again, Sentinelese, would have had secondary contact just coming across random trash washing up on shore, seeing planes and drones that have been used to observe them. Who says the objects are even manned? I think there isn't much point in trying to project human behavior on other life forms, especially alien ones. But even for humans, there are legitimate reasons to haul your rear end across half the galaxy to study some aliens. It's to experience the act of discovery and exploration. If you live in some future society with access to virtually infinite resources and labor, it might seem like worthwhile investment to make the exploration ship capable to sustain life and take some humans with you so that they can experience the process. There is a shitton of other possible reasons like political or even religious ones. There was never any point to sending humans to the moon, we did it for purely political reasons that are very hard to understand from the outside.
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Apr 29, 2020 18:15
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ufos ARE real, and one tried to eat my rear end
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Apr 29, 2020 18:19
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GABA ghoul posted:Who says the objects are even manned? Advanced technology is a human behavior  . Just having a hypothetical culture who build spaceships can tell you quite a bit about them - clearly they are organized to a point of inventing and building something that exceeds our advancements by a large margin, so they would have to have some form of science and industry and thus society. I totally get the idea of some sort of a anthropological mission but most commonly described UFO encounters seem to run counter to that. My money's on the faeries loving with people, it's less unlikely. Or psychic machine elves from 69th dimension, because it's just magic and doesn't involve an advanced society deciding to travel countless lightyears to just stick things up some redneck assholes or troll army personnel for multiple decades.
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Apr 29, 2020 18:26
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:You know it's interesting that since like 2016 or 2017, the same three loving videos keep getting "released" by the military. Like, ok, why do we keep running PENTAGON/NAVY/YOUR MOM ACKNOWLEDGES UFO EXISTENCE AND RELEASES NEW VIDEOS when it's clearly the same goddamned videos as always? Men in Black 1997 Men in Black II 2002 Men in Black 3 2012 Men in Black: International 2019 Men in Black TBD 2020?
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Apr 29, 2020 18:42
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Big Beef City posted:Right, the one you like in the article you link and several others I found on it specifically state that "UFO-ologists" and "cerealogists" (lol) were allowed to look at it, but reporters and other credentialed people who came to the site were told they could not enter the area by the land owner. For sure , that last one I posted in particular I found a little suspect. The guy that wrote the article stood to profit the most and used it as a springboard to get onto Coast to Coast No one asked, but my opinion is it would be impossible for us to know what earthly doings and what isn’t. If the SR-71 was in the sky in the freakin 60s, who really knows what us humans have now. I can tell you I never really believed the ‘flying saucer’ / alien thing when I was little, but it sure gave me restless sleep at times. Fire In The Sky had me hiding under the covers
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Apr 29, 2020 18:51
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Colonel Cancer posted:That implies a very authoritarian government that has 100% control over the population, maybe even bordering on a straight up hivemind. It takes one idiot on a flying saucer to do a first contact, hell it takes one idiot with a radio transmitter sending a signal on any frequency we already use to make it known. The aliens could all be missionaries.
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Apr 29, 2020 19:10
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Mulaney Power Move posted:The aliens could all be missionaries. If the Jehova witnesses would just probe my rear end in a top hat every time they came around I might be more receptive to their religion 
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Apr 29, 2020 19:11
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Deadbeat Poetry posted:ufos ARE real, and one tried to eat my rear end some people have all the luck
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Apr 29, 2020 19:46
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We had a stealth helicopter for god knows how long that no one had ever managed to take a single photograph of until we crashed one into osama bin laden's house and then blew it up but the tail end didnt blow up right.
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Apr 29, 2020 23:15
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:You know it's interesting that since like 2016 or 2017, the same three loving videos keep getting "released" by the military. Like, ok, why do we keep running PENTAGON/NAVY/YOUR MOM ACKNOWLEDGES UFO EXISTENCE AND RELEASES NEW VIDEOS when it's clearly the same goddamned videos as always? Basically each time it’s been released it’s been from increasingly higher authorities. Usually you would think that something would happen in reverse, as in low level guy sees something weird and each step up the chain is a higher authority saying to keep it quiet. In this case each authority that releases the video basically just keeps confirming how weird and confusing this footage is. The US military is not known for publishing video and images of classified aircraft they are developing, even as disinformation. There has been times (like with the “F-19” and the real life F-117) where people outside the military came up with ideas that ran with speculation and the government kept mum about real projects because the fake made it expeditious to do so, but that info didn’t come from the government itself. So a former senator and a Blink 182 guy saying “hey this video is wild and has an unknown aircraft the military doesn’t even know about” is one thing, the military itself releasing that exact same video and saying “Yeah, those guys are absolutely right, we have no loving clue.” Is another thing entirely.
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Apr 29, 2020 23:27
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hakimashou posted:We had a stealth helicopter for god knows how long that no one had ever managed to take a single photograph of until we crashed one into osama bin laden's house and then blew it up but the tail end didnt blow up right. It wasn’t around for very long. It was still basically a prototype which had been built from parts of other stuff, not even like a wholly independently designed aircraft. A cobbled together technology demonstrator more or less. Probably the reason they had issues with it. Those types of aircraft are not known for reliability.
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The Stealth Blackhawk is probably based in part on the Comanche helicopter that the military shelved because it turns out drones are better. A airship that carries a half dozen commandos requires a lot more engineering than a small recon helicopter that seats two, but the tech is derivative of something we already know exists. Flying tic-tacs though...Deadbeat Poetry posted:ufos ARE real, and one tried to eat my rear end But only Millennial aliens.
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Apr 29, 2020 23:31
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Yeah it’s absolutely hacked from parts of the Comanche. The RAH-66 and UH-60 both being Sikorsky products.
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Apr 29, 2020 23:37
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Is anyone else watching The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch? This has quickly become my favorite show.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:The “aliens aren’t real” folks are really weirdly aggressive about it imo Quite. The problem with the "aliens aren't real" folks is that they are horrified about being wrong even though aliens visiting the Earth have been so clearly documented. We all know they built the pyramids and "evolution" is really just aliens messing with the planet. Reminds me of those people who are so adamant about Earth being ball-shaped that globally they use schools to brainwash children into believing it. It's just another form of violence the people in power use to stop people from discovering the truth.
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Apr 30, 2020 08:56
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That fighter pilot podcast interview with one of the pilots has a detail I'd not heard before - he says when they tried to get a radar lock the UFO jammed the signal.
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not a bot posted:Quite. The problem with the "aliens aren't real" folks is that they are horrified about being wrong even though aliens visiting the Earth have been so clearly documented. We all know they built the pyramids and "evolution" is really just aliens messing with the planet. Reminds me of those people who are so adamant about Earth being ball-shaped that globally they use schools to brainwash children into believing it. It's just another form of violence the people in power use to stop people from discovering the truth. And then there's the weirdly calm effort posts making fun of it where it's like, why waste the energy? What is the point?
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Apr 30, 2020 10:42
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UFOs exist. Pilots and Astronauts have reported them for decades. Chances are most sightings have banal explanations like falling space junk, mild hypoxia/mild disorientation resulting in visual field disturbances, and equipment loving up. Other sightings can probably be attributes to aerospace black projects, or weird atmospheric poo poo we don't yet understand. I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to gently caress with radar and other stuff enough to goad the military into scrambling a fighter squadron to intercept a bogus signal all just to troll. There's weird poo poo going on in the skies. No denying that. I just wish for once we could get a crystal clear video of some of these phenomena. I don't think I've ever seen a UFO video that isn't some black and white gun cam video or some super compressed low resolution video with the camera shaking all over the place.
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Apr 30, 2020 10:52
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Avalanche posted:I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to gently caress with radar and other stuff enough to goad the military into scrambling a fighter squadron to intercept a bogus signal all just to troll. Definite possibility, but the pilots report seeing the same thing their cameras recorded so that's some pretty impressive spoofing tech. quote:I just wish for once we could get a crystal clear video of some of these phenomena. I don't think I've ever seen a UFO video that isn't some black and white gun cam video or some super compressed low resolution video with the camera shaking all over the place. 
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Apr 30, 2020 11:38
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Y'all just gonna ignore me calling you thirsty alien fuckers?
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Y'all just gonna ignore me calling you thirsty alien fuckers? Get a hobby, shiteater.
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Apr 30, 2020 12:38
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Avalanche posted:I just wish for once we could get a crystal clear video of some of these phenomena. I don't think I've ever seen a UFO video that isn't some black and white gun cam video or some super compressed low resolution video with the camera shaking all over the place. 50 million dollar fighter jet and it uses the lovely webcam from my netbook back in 2009. But gun cams don't need high resolution cameras, they just need something that's super reliable and can confirm whether Iceman and Merlin blew up the bogie. Our best hope now is that a pilot remembers to bring their iPhone and shoots a decent 4k video out his or her cockpit window. And then people will complain they shot the video in portrait.
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Apr 30, 2020 12:41
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The military doesn't have reactionless turbo drives, those idiots can't even build that F-35 right. Unless that's just a sham to divert money to the real projects 
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Apr 30, 2020 12:50
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of course aliens are real come on
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Apr 30, 2020 12:51
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The original video is 16 years old, think about cell phone video from 16 years ago lol Also if this was a government vehicle or weapon, after 16 years it would be known to a much larger extent
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Apr 30, 2020 12:56
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Avalanche posted:I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to gently caress with radar and other stuff enough to goad the military into scrambling a fighter squadron to intercept a bogus signal all just to troll. As an electronic warfare tech this was literally my job, but you have to know ALOT of classified material, IFF Mode 4 Codes and the Emitter Data (PRI, PRF, frequency, etc) are very highly classified and the tech used to send out signals to do what you’re talking about is not something some dude on the beach at Big Sur can just set up and operate. The power requirements are astronomical for one. You need to be able to have multiple spiral, interferometer, and DF antennas to pull the signal down, a core section to signal process and convert to a video carrier signal, then send that to another stack of parts that rebuilds the signal in an exploitable fashion, followed by a transmit chain of an RF Signal Source, a high power transmitter, a beam forming unit, and finally a steerable or phased array antenna to shoot the signal back out. And that’s just for basic simple noise jamming. I’ve done specifically what you’re talking about as well but it’s quite a bit more complicated. Also, I don’t want to chat with the FBI today.
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Mooey Cow posted:The military doesn't have reactionless turbo drives, those idiots can't even build that F-35 right. In this case, the real projects are the bank accounts of contractors and politicians.
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Julius CSAR posted:As an electronic warfare tech this was literally my job, but you have to know ALOT of classified material, IFF Mode 4 Codes and the Emitter Data (PRI, PRF, frequency, etc) are very highly classified and the tech used to send out signals to do what you’re talking about is not something some dude on the beach at Big Sur can just set up and operate. The power requirements are astronomical for one. You need to be able to have multiple spiral, interferometer, and DF antennas to pull the signal down, a core section to signal process and convert to a video carrier signal, then send that to another stack of parts that rebuilds the signal in an exploitable fashion, followed by a transmit chain of an RF Signal Source, a high power transmitter, a beam forming unit, and finally a steerable or phased array antenna to shoot the signal back out. And that’s just for basic simple noise jamming. I’ve done specifically what you’re talking about as well but it’s quite a bit more complicated. Also, I don’t want to chat with the FBI today. Could you use software defined radio (SDR) and some kind of amplifier to spoof those signals?
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Rad-daddio posted:Could you use software defined radio (SDR) and some kind of amplifier to spoof those signals? lol ya the SDR USB stick I bought to turn into a makeshift full spectrum radio scanner for a hobby is gonna spoof military equipment at range hang on lemme get a pringles can so I can aim it.
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Big Beef City posted:lol ya the SDR USB stick I bought to turn into a makeshift full spectrum radio scanner for a hobby is gonna spoof military equipment at range hang on lemme get a pringles can so I can aim it.  Hollywood has poisoned everyone's mind with what is possible with technology.
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I want to see an alien so bad
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I'm an alien from the fourth stimpire AMA.
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Amarcarts posted:I'm an alien from the fourth stimpire AMA. does this look like a rash to you or just sorta flushed?
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